Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threat?

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iacardsfan said:

The last time there was a "threat" in the middle east, the US got sucked into a 10+ year conflict that saw thousands of Americans die and trillions of dollars being spent to combat the "threat" in Iraq. Excuse me if I am skeptical about the ability for our government not to get us into an unwinnable war that has no clear vision and path. We cant fight our way to peace, we need to stop the cycle of violence, not continue it. Instead of getting raging b*ners about the idea of defense contractors getting more money and getting to go to war, how about we bring our people home, fortify our own borders here and ensure we are safe domestically, and funnel money into intelligence, so we know in advance and can thwart attacks in the future. We need to learn from our mistakes, not keep making the same ones.

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Freedon is not free my left wing friend.

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Navy Pride said:

Freedon is not free my left wing friend.

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Paying for "what" in US blood and treasure is not Freedom either.
If we start putting boots on the ground again, we may as well just move the US to the ME. There is no longer an upside to being there.
Evacuate all US personnel we can, then turn our backs on it. Period, anything short of that and we are just going to be stupid for decades.

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Beaudreaux said:

I voted yes, but with an exception - that exception being that we do it such a way that it doesn't take ten years... overwhelming force with overwhelming firepower and a disarming of everyone over there, and holding any other country responsible militarily that tries to help them. And yes, that would mean the Saudi's (and any other of our so called friends), the Iranians (and any other of our so called enemies) and any-damned-one else that feeds the fire of hate.

This thing is going to blow up the whole damned world at some point anyway.

We may as well do it now when the damage would be so much less and the fight would be so less wide spread.

Either that, or just sit it out completely until a mushroom cloud rises over Manhattan or something similar in scope to 9/11 hits us square in the teeth.

Call me a war monger if you must, but you can't talk or negotiate with people that behead innocent people, rape women and children en masse, blow themselves up as suicide bombers and actually believe that GOD is demanding that they do so and that when they die they will be better off and go to heaven as praised warriors of God being lavished with pleasures in the afterlife.

They have nothing to loose in their mind. We have everything to loose.

But... maybe that's just me, since I've actually been in the cross hairs of people just like these, been under fire from them, wounded in action by them, and seen first hand what they can and will gladly and gleefully do, I may have a skewed view.

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Right on. No more half-ass "police actions," or "advisory capacity," bull****.

Iraq does not want us there. Obama wanted to leave 10k troops there but Iraq refused to grant them immunity. So, now let them wallow in their own feces. When the last Iraqi or Kurdish soldier is killed on the front lines, then, and ONLY then, should we send our children over there to clean their plow.

And if we do have to go back, no mercy. Turn that ****ing place into a glass parking lot.

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CRUE CAB said:

Paying for "what" in US blood and treasure is not Freedom either.
If we start putting boots on the ground again, we may as well just move the US to the ME. There is no longer an upside to being there.
Evacuate all US personnel we can, then turn our backs on it. Period, anything short of that and we are just going to be stupid for decades.

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That was the problem with going into Iraq in the first place. Thinking we could ever have that kind of control over that region was a fools errand. I wish the US would learn that we have absolutely no clue how the Middle East works. You take down the evil asshole in charge...and you totally destabilize the other evil assholes.

But heck, the mission was accomplished.

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CRUE CAB said:

Paying for "what" in US blood and treasure is not Freedom either.
If we start putting boots on the ground again, we may as well just move the US to the ME. There is no longer an upside to being there.
Evacuate all US personnel we can, then turn our backs on it. Period, anything short of that and we are just going to be stupid for decades.

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Sadly if you had your way Adolph Hitler and the people that followed Nazism would be running this country.......

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year2late said:

That was the problem with going into Iraq in the first place. Thinking we could ever have that kind of control over that region was a fools errand. I wish the US would learn that we have absolutely no clue how the Middle East works. You take down the evil asshole in charge...and you totally destabilize the other evil assholes.

But heck, the mission was accomplished.

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Talking points no more no less.......Facts be told before Obama cut and run things were going pretty well in Iraqq.

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Captain America said:

Right on. No more half-ass "police actions," or "advisory capacity," bull****.

Iraq does not want us there. Obama wanted to leave 10k troops there but Iraq refused to grant them immunity. So, now let them wallow in their own feces. When the last Iraqi or Kurdish soldier is killed on the front lines, then, and ONLY then, should we send our children over there to clean their plow.

And if we do have to go back, no mercy. Turn that ****ing place into a glass parking lot.

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Can you post a link where Obama said he wantted to leave 10,000 troops in Iraq? Thanks

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Navy Pride said:

Sadly if you had your way Adolph Hitler and the people that followed Nazism would be running this country.......

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Clearly, you are wrong. You are comparing a full on war machine to a terrorist group of savages.

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CRUE CAB said:

Clearly, you are wrong. You are comparing a full on war machine to a terrorist group of savages.

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I am trying to find where I said that....Nope did not happen....Air strike alone will not do the job. That is a fact. I think committing 10,000 troops to the effort along with air strikes can do the job.

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I just read a good article by John Bolton on the jihadists in Iraq and Syria, and I agree with him that the central problem in the whole region is the Islamist regime that controls Iran. The U.S. should have overthrown it thirty years ago, but there is still time. It won't happen, though, until this county has purged itself of the National Embarrassment now occupying the White House.

Until then, I agree with Bolton that this current jihadist rump state must be destroyed, completely, and without delay. I would also not take any of these people prisoner. They are heinous criminals who are outside all law and deserve none of the protections we give real soldiers. Winston Churchill would have had captured Nazi officials shot without any trial, because their war crimes were already obvious. I think these people deserve no better.

Between the peshmerga and whatever reliable Iraqi forces remain, I think there are enough ground forces to defeat ten or fifteen thousand cruel savages with some captured heavy weapons they barely know how to use--provided the U.S. gives them adequate air support, reconnaissance, and supplies. I agree with Bolton on that. I also agree that a free, friendly Kurdistan should emerge from this fight.

The U.S. must go after these people with hammer and tongs, even if that means bombing civilians in places that harbor them. Make that a stated policy, and then let those civilians decide which side to take. A small force like this does not take over such a large area without a lot of local help. Civilized nations had to accept killing many thousands of innocent people as inevitable during WWII, and we may have to accept it now.

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matchlight said:

I just read a good article by John Bolton .

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Stopped reading at the oxymoron.

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Navy Pride said:

By boots on the ground I mean combat troops.

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Yes as well as aircraft.

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Navy Pride said:

Talking points no more no less.......Facts be told before Obama cut and run things were going pretty well in Iraqq.

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I think you actually believe this.

There was never any better. A hornets nest was kicked, we destabilized a regime and allowed others to set up shop.

Since we cannot turn back time and undo the clusterfudge of a mistake (going into Iraq), the best we can do is to learn from our mistakes. A first step in this learning process would be to stay the hell out of the Middle East. The only way to "make sure" things go "well" is to stay there forever with a large presence. Can we agree that is a FITH thing to do?

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year2late said:

I think you actually believe this.

There was never any better. A hornets nest was kicked, we destabilized a regime and allowed others to set up shop.

Since we cannot turn back time and undo the clusterfudge of a mistake (going into Iraq), the best we can do is to learn from our mistakes. A first step in this learning process would be to stay the hell out of the Middle East. The only way to "make sure" things go "well" is to stay there forever with a large presence. Can we agree that is a FITH thing to do?

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Ahem.

Iraq is not a perfect place, but we’re leaving behind a sovereign, stable, and self-reliant Iraq, with a representative government... In Afghanistan we’ve broken the momentum of the Taliban... And around the globe, as we draw down in Iraq, we have gone after al Qaeda so that terrorists who threaten America will have no safe haven. - Barack Obama

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Navy Pride said:

That strategy never worked in Nam.

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To be fair, we did not have the precise technology for dropping bombs in the Vietnam Era that we do now. For real precision bombing our pilots had to sweep very low at great risk. Now we can simply paint a target with a laser and the pilot can put the bombs right on the bulls eye. The northern alliance in Afghanistan for instance was stunned in regards to how accurate our bombs and missile strikes were, even with complete cloud cover.

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Navy Pride said:

Can you post a link where Obama said he wantted to leave 10,000 troops in Iraq? Thanks

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Anything for you my dear right wing friend.

Obama wanted to keep 10,000 troops in Iraq, ABC's Raddatz claims

Obama wanted to keep 10,000 troops in Iraq, ABC's Raddatz claims | PunditFact

BAGHDAD — Iraq's prime minister said Saturday that U.S. troops are leaving Iraq after nearly nine years of war because Baghdad rejected American demands that any U.S. military forces to stay would have to be shielded from prosecution or lawsuits.


Iraq PM: Immunity issue scuttled US troop deal - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq | NBC News

President Obama pulled U.S. forces out of Iraq in 2011 because he couldn’t get Iraq’s parliament to offer U.S. soldiers immunity from Iraqi prosecution. But now Obama is promising to send in hundreds of special operations forces based on a written promise that these soldiers will not be tried in Iraq’s famously compromised courts for actions they are taking in defense of Baghdad.

The U.S. military and Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel have opposed sending any special operations teams to Iraq until there is a written agreement from Iraq’s government that they will not be prosecuted under Iraqi law. On Monday, the White House spokesman said those promises were provided in an exchange of diplomatic notes. The delay in getting that agreement is one of many reasons why the Pentagon and the White House were reluctant to support air strikes inside Iraq—despite lobbying from Secretary of State John Kerry and his aides.

Obama Does a U-Turn on Immunity for U.S. Troops in Iraq - The Daily Beast

So, in short, I agree with Obama on this one. Unless Iraq agrees to give our boys immunity from Iraq's archaic and uncivilized, backward-ass penal system, they can fight their own damn battles.

AND... if we do go in. Hit them hard, fast and leave no camel un-turned. Let Allah sort them out.

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Navy Pride said:

Freedon is not free my left wing friend.

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I never said it was. But then again, policing the world =/= freedom

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PoS said:

We're bombing them! Anybody, whether its terrorists or another country will fight back, thats common sense. If somebody was bombing you Im sure you'd fight back too.

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However you are still perhaps without intending to, putting terrorists on a pedestal, The truth is that they do not represent any nation. They do not represent any region. They are simply bloody murderers fighting for a fanatical interpretation of Islam. And we are not killing terrorists for sport. We are killing them because they are murdering innocent men, women, children, and infants. If gangsters come into your town and start killing innocent people on the streets, you are okay with the police or national guard stopping them are you not? Ofcourse the bad guys fight back. They do not want to be killed. However they made the choice when they killed innocents.

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CRUE CAB said:

I ask again where are all the "moderate" Islamists? Their silence is tacit approval of their brothers actions.

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Good point. It would be quite helpful if the moderate islamists would speak out against the extremists in their ranks. As a Christian, I certainly did not hold back on condemning extremists like David Koresh and Jim Jones.

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US Conservative said:

Ahem.

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Are you all of a sudden caring what Obama says?

It is a goal, but if it means leaving boots on the ground for years. Screw it. We can let them stabilize themselves. Let them pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

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Navy Pride said:

Sadly if you had your way Adolph Hitler and the people that followed Nazism would be running this country.......

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Yep.....You would think they would have learned from Neville Chamberlains idiotic attempts at appeasing Hitler.

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year2late said:

Are you all of a sudden caring what Obama says?

It is a goal, but if it means leaving boots on the ground for years. Screw it. We can let them stabilize themselves. Let them pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

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What Obama said (and took credit for) is fact, what I "care" about Obama's words is immaterial. See my sig line, the last line.

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US Conservative said:

Ahem.

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Don't you just love it when the liberal's arguments are defeated with one quote from their dear leader?

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iacardsfan said:

I never said it was. But then again, policing the world =/= freedom

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You ever hear of 9/11? The next time it might be 100 times worse.........Wake up Liberals!!!!

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You know, before we spend one more dime or send over one more troop, I think Iraq should agree to total immunity for our boys having them only to have to answer to the UCMJ. THEN, they have to agree to pay us back every red cent we spend saving their ass, with oil shares/profits. Then take that money and turn it into fossil fuel alternatives. Then tell ALL those god-forsaken people over there to go pound their oily sand up their ass.