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Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threat?

Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threat?


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Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Which threat ?
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

That's refreshingly honest, the subsequent rhetoric aside. I'd ask what 'dribbling basketballs' means, but I'm rather sure I don't want to know.

You know - 'calling the shots' - 'basketball' terminology . . . anyway. I should have made a snide comment on him playing golf, instead, since he seems to favor that more these days.

Basically: he's an absentee president and he doesn't have the capacity to sort any of this out. He's just *whatever* tossing up executive orders like confetti. If the world wasn't falling apart - if we were amid some peaceful, passive era, he'd be great because he wouldn't have to do anything significant.

He's a useful as a thumbtack in my shoe.

Now - putting aside the bitterness. In truth: I think the stress of the office has actually rendered him incompetent. I think in the beginning he had the influence and foresight - but I don't think he's cut out for it. His priorities are all wrong. He was focused on healthcare and, when the world needed us the most, he adopted relatively laissez faire foreign policies - and when he did decide to act it was thoughtless, senseless, and an entire waste of effort and time.

He's like a broken gyroscope or something. You can see it in his eyes - that energy he had is just gone.

If he wasn't' the president I'd pity him for it.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

You're probably right. No doubt he'd do the same with those throwing their support in for war... on either side.

Do you enjoy coming off that silly? To you, in war there are no good guys or bad guys.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

No. I say we respectfully do what the region wants and stop trying to control it so terrorist groups stop forming in the first place.

ISIS, a totalitarian theocratic terrorist organization, does not represent the region and they want to commit genocide.
 
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No. I say we respectfully do what the region wants and stop trying to control it so terrorist groups stop forming in the first place.

Rofl muslim terrorist jihad has been going on since the 8th century
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

What say you?

Nope. I do not know about you but I value the lives of my fellow Americans and American tax dollars than I do the lives of foreigners. That said if you choose to go to some **** hole middle eastern country with hitlers in headscarves running around and get kidnapped then you should be on your own.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Do you enjoy coming off that silly? To you, in war there are no good guys or bad guys.

What's silly is pretending that a call for war is something totally comparable with Jesus' teaching.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

He would have been killed simply because we have been messing around with the Middle East since the end of WW2. ISIS may not have stealth fighters or smart bombs but they will fight back, anybody would fight back when a nation from the other side of the world attacks them when they shouldnt have to.

So why are we there?

Wrong on so many levels. Radical Islam is partly a creation of US foreign policy. We removed dictators and so left a power vacuum that was exploited by religious extremists.

And they dont want to subjugate us, they want to be left alone. There is no reason for them to come to our country and attack us other than the fact that we are attacking them.

Maybe it didnt start at that time, but we sure as hell made it grow into a monster because of what we did.

Radical Islam can only satiate itself on Muslim countries, it has no influence outside of them. There is no reason for us to make enemies out of a people who wouldnt care about us.

So you want to fight a war thats now the longest war in American history (and has no end in sight) over oil then? Wow. Thanks for finally admitting that.

So to reduce everything you said above to four words - "It's all America's fault."

Interesting.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

I sometimes really struggle understanding my fellow Americans and their point of view. Here in America we have thousands of our citizens killed each year by fellow citizens, largely gang related, yet American seem complacent on the matter. We are afraid or refuse to make the tough choices and also to allocate the resources needed to combat the problem effectively. However as soon as a foreign force kills thousands of our citizens we are willing to go to war on multiple fronts and spend hundreds of billions of dollars to combat them. Not only that we are even willing to return to combat new potential risks while we still continue to ignore the problems at home. So what is this all really about? You cannot claim it is to protect Americans because we clearly avoid doing that domestically or are American deaths somehow viewed as worse if caused by a foreign force vs a domestic one? We just seems to like to point the finger across the globe while conveniently ignoring our own issues. I find that very bothersome.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Special Forces... yes, but I assume that they are already there. We need to allow them to operate fully and destroy the enemy with total air strikes...
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

I sometimes really struggle understanding my fellow Americans and their point of view. Here in America we have thousands of our citizens killed each year by fellow citizens, largely gang related, yet American seem complacent on the matter. We are afraid or refuse to make the tough choices and also to allocate the resources needed to combat the problem effectively. However as soon as a foreign force kills thousands of our citizens we are willing to go to war on multiple fronts and spend hundreds of billions of dollars to combat them. Not only that we are even willing to return to combat new potential risks while we still continue to ignore the problems at home. So what is this all really about? You cannot claim it is to protect Americans because we clearly avoid doing that domestically or are American deaths somehow viewed as worse if caused by a foreign force vs a domestic one? We just seems to like to point the finger across the globe while conveniently ignoring our own issues. I find that very bothersome.


I have been one of the few that has argued for Special Forces being deployed against Mexican Cartels and for the same operatives to be let loose against US gangs...
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

What's silly is pretending that a call for war is something totally comparable with Jesus' teaching.

Except that you are pulling that out of your hat. Nobody on this forum likes war. The point is that some things are worth fighting for. We cannot just keep out heads buried in the sand and let murderous tyrants or terrorists have free run. Had we become involved in WW2 sooner then we did....perhaps millions less would have died.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

I sometimes really struggle understanding my fellow Americans and their point of view. Here in America we have thousands of our citizens killed each year by fellow citizens, largely gang related, yet American seem complacent on the matter. We are afraid or refuse to make the tough choices and also to allocate the resources needed to combat the problem effectively. However as soon as a foreign force kills thousands of our citizens we are willing to go to war on multiple fronts and spend hundreds of billions of dollars to combat them. Not only that we are even willing to return to combat new potential risks while we still continue to ignore the problems at home. So what is this all really about? You cannot claim it is to protect Americans because we clearly avoid doing that domestically or are American deaths somehow viewed as worse if caused by a foreign force vs a domestic one? We just seems to like to point the finger across the globe while conveniently ignoring our own issues. I find that very bothersome.

First.......on the subject of terrorism on US shores from abroad, you should keep in mind that we were lucky that the attacks of 9/11/01 only resulted in roughly 3000 deaths. It could have been 20,000, or 50,000, and more attacks were planned. What the terrorists have in mind if carried out successfully would dwarf the home grown killings which are mostly inner city gang related. Second it is the American left that is ignoring the home grown killings. For instance dozens of young African Americans have been killed in Chicago alone in the last few months, yet the left does not notice until a cop in Missouri kills an African American in self defense.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Drone technology is quickly becoming more effective, including and especially more cost-effective, at killing people our military wants killed. It is the most dominant thing we have on them. Like God we can strike them down from above with the press of a button. There is still greater risk of killing their civilians, which I think emboldens them to devote their lives to killing Americans to avenge their dead, so that is a downside, but it must be demoralizing and terrifying that we can basically watch them, track them, and extinguish them at will, from the other side of the planet, without risking our own.

Compared to drone warfare, putting boots on the ground in their territory is a huge favor to them, in my opinion. They can sneak around, plant IEDs everywhere, and exact a toll on us with their guerrilla tactics. Makes it a fairer fight. And it comes with huge psychological costs to our troops. We should have learned our lessons from Vietnam, among other wars. Hell, we should have taken notes from the Revolutionary War, when we used similar tactics to defeat the British.
 
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Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Yes...but only if necessary. I think we can get the job done with a contingent of US special forces painting targets for air strikes in support of the Kurds and whatever is left of the Iraqi military doing the close combat fighting.

That strategy never worked in Nam.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Your problem is that you are giving too much recognition and to bloody murderous terrorists who do not represent anything but a harsh extreme version of islam. There is nothing the US has done that justifies what any terrorist is doing.

We're bombing them! Anybody, whether its terrorists or another country will fight back, thats common sense. If somebody was bombing you Im sure you'd fight back too.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Why put American boots on the ground when literally every country in the region would probably be willing to in order to combat the threat? I think ISIS is doing wonders for Middle East relations, it gives them all a common enemy and a way for America to get back in their good books and I think that is best done in an air support role.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Why put American boots on the ground when literally every country in the region would probably be willing to in order to combat the threat? I think ISIS is doing wonders for Middle East relations, it gives them all a common enemy and a way for America to get back in their good books and I think that is best done in an air support role.

You think other arab nations who dont have to want to fight ISIS? Links, please.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

By boots on the ground you mean drones in the air, yes. They need to be wiped out, there is nothing good about them.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Are the people who want to bomb and fight ISIS the same people who want the US to intervene to get rid of Assad is Syria? I'm guessing so.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

So youi would rather fight them here.
Personally, yes. That way it will end the debate and get everyone involved.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

Your problem is that you are giving too much recognition and to bloody murderous terrorists who do not represent anything but a harsh extreme version of islam. There is nothing the US has done that justifies what any terrorist is doing.

I ask again where are all the "moderate" Islamists? Their silence is tacit approval of their brothers actions.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

The main reason we care about the Middle East is oil.

Maybe we should design a program to drastically reduce our dependence upon oil.

That should solve the problem.


:lamo

Now that's funny.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

The last time there was a "threat" in the middle east, the US got sucked into a 10+ year conflict that saw thousands of Americans die and trillions of dollars being spent to combat the "threat" in Iraq. Excuse me if I am skeptical about the ability for our government not to get us into an unwinnable war that has no clear vision and path. We cant fight our way to peace, we need to stop the cycle of violence, not continue it. Instead of getting raging b*ners about the idea of defense contractors getting more money and getting to go to war, how about we bring our people home, fortify our own borders here and ensure we are safe domestically, and funnel money into intelligence, so we know in advance and can thwart attacks in the future. We need to learn from our mistakes, not keep making the same ones.
 
Re: Do you favor putting boots on the ground in the Midddle East to combat the threa

By boots on the ground you mean drones in the air, yes. They need to be wiped out, there is nothing good about them.

By boots on the ground I mean combat troops.
 
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