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Does the US have a moral responsibility to help combat ISIS?

Does the US have a moral responsibility to combat ISIS


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If one is to engage militarily, might we as well point to some sort of material benefit? A war for oil to me might not be as folly as a War to spread democratic values.

Although Id agree with the first statement, in practice we never "billed" Iraq, did we? We aren't even getting much oil from them-most goes to china. Its one reason why I roll my eyes when people say we went to war for oil.
 
Although Id agree with the first statement, in practice we never "billed" Iraq, did we? We aren't even getting much oil from them-most goes to china. Its one reason why I roll my eyes when people say we went to war for oil.

To an extent I agree. We have been working on a better oil relationship with Iraq, but unfortunately have not significantly improved in that manner. I think you'll find from me a viewpoint that suggests that the war and occupation in Iraq should have had more to do with oil than it did, rather than admonish the entire concept as immoral.
 
They have proclaimed genocidal aims, so yes, combating ISIS is a moral imperative. Beyond that, there are security concerns which make combating ISIS a good idea, to say the least.
 
Russia is a stanch supporter of Iran-which is the worlds largest state sponsor of terrorism. And they are also Shiite, not sunni. That wont help in Iraq-and it might hurt if Iraq begins to refine the Iranian oil Iran can't.

So? Iran has a clear reason to stop the ISIS. And it does help Iraq in that Iran has a clear motive to prevent the fall of Shiaa heavy Iraq. Iran exports terrorism as a tool but Russia has an incentive to curtail Islamic terrorism. I know you have no understanding of Russian history period at all in any way shape or form, but they spent billions of rubles and lives fighting it. Merely because you are grossly ignorant does not mean it did not happen.

As for oil dependency-world oil prices are set by supply. We need to be drilling here more. There are simply no alternatives to oil at this time (nuclear is promising) to power a 21st century economy period.

Tell me, what happens to the price of oil if the largest consumer reduces its demand by 1/3? How about 1/2? World oil prices are set by supply and demand as well as some level of speculation. If the US replaces its demand for oil in a large chunk, oil prices fall. We don't need to be drilling more here as we need to be reducing consumption. Switch to natural gas, throw a billion dollars at a battery prize. Nuclear is not promising because it's a subsidy heavy energy source that cannot stand on its own in a free market. You were obviously sleeping, but nuclear power had a revival in 2007 and promptly died when fracking dropped natural gas prices through the floor. Nuclear already required absurd subsidies per kilowatt generated before fracking happened.

You do realize that we destroy the price of oil, we destroy Russia, Iran and Venezuela in one bloodless stroke right?
 

He also blamed Chamberlain for not going to war with Hitler with a horribly underpowered and underequipped army based on a as yet unproven claim that German military forces were ready to execute Hitler had the invasion of Poland gone bad. Apparently we're all judged on things we cannot possibly ever know on US Conservative's world view.

Moon, you're a terrible person because you didn't invest in Apple when it was just created. We know now it was balls to the walls an awesome investment, but despite the fact you didn't know it and there was no way you could have ever known it, it's still your fault! /S

Anyways, everyone knows Clinton didn't bomb OBL in Sudan because the intel was shaky at best and bombing a country is technically an act of war.
 
Look at what happened in Iraq after we left-it was initially stable and then ISIS moved in (often to "rest" after being expelled from Syria).

We need to not give them a base, and then maintain a presence so they can't come back in. Thats all we need to do-exactly what Obama's generals and the Iraqi military TOLD Obama before he pulled out for politics.

Maliki caused the surrender of most of the territory lost to ISIS in Iraq. During the "awakening", the Iraqi's threw them out when they thought there would be equal representation for Sunni's in Bagdad. When Malaki purged the Sunni's from Parliament, ISIS was welcomed back. Bush blew it when he picked Maliki and signed the agreement to withdraw. It left Obama with no choice but to leave when asked to. At least now the situation has forced Maliki out of power and there is a hope for Iraqi unity. The problem with spoon feeding is that you can never stop without a mess occurring. The Iraqi's must learn to feed themselves sometime.
 
Mpre and more each day we hear people talk of the "Biden" solution, most not even knowing from where it came .
Maliki caused the surrender of most of the territory lost to ISIS in Iraq. During the "awakening", the Iraqi's threw them out when they thought there would be equal representation for Sunni's in Bagdad. When Malaki purged the Sunni's from Parliament, ISIS was welcomed back. Bush blew it when he picked Maliki and signed the agreement to withdraw. It left Obama with no choice but to leave when asked to. At least now the situation has forced Maliki out of power and there is a hope for Iraqi unity. The problem with spoon feeding is that you can never stop without a mess occurring. The Iraqi's must learn to feed themselves sometime.
 
I didnt vote.

My answer would be no, it's not a moral responsibility but unfortunately it is our business and affects our security...and possibly, again, the lives of our service people.
 
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