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List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States

Has Militarization of USA Police had a positive impact?

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I have the same opinion of Cops as I do of teachers. If you find a good one, they cannot be paid enough. Good ones are not as common as horse turds in either case. A good teacher does well with minimal tools and a good cop does the same. It's not about weapons, firepower, money, organization or management, but personal committment to a community and not a paycheck.
 
DaveFagan said:
I have the same opinion of Cops as I do of teachers. If you find a good one, they cannot be paid enough. Good ones are not as common as horse turds in either case. A good teacher does well with minimal tools and a good cop does the same. It's not about weapons, firepower, money, organization or management, but personal committment to a community and not a paycheck.
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You haven't a single clue about teachers or cops.
 
X Factor said:
It would be like "The Purge".
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How much you want you to bet that crime only increases a few percentage points. How much you want to bet that the police don't discourage crime all that much at all.
 
clownboy said:
You haven't a single clue about teachers or cops.
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Your opinion is noted. I'll have it printed on soft paper and place it near my commode to make it uesful.
 
Amandi said:
If you are referring to armored vehicles as tanks then the answer is so they dont get shot when going into a compound or something in force.
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OR a suburban home?

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The theory always seems to be that such law enforcement assets are to be used only for the most dangerous situations where officers might have to face violent opposition.

The problem is such situations are few and far between. So the rest of the time these assets whether a SWAT team or vehicle or whatever sits around and trains goes on display in a parade or whatever. Then everyone from the politicians on down wonder why they spend so much time and money doing very little. THEN they start to find reasons and excuse to put these assets to work.

Inevitable you end up sending these assets out for situations which would otherwise be routine. Then we start seeing the result such as innocent people being killed because a heavily militarized police force raided the wrong house due to a typo and the innocent homeowner had no idea who was attacking him and tried to defend himself. Or just had a heart attack after being forced from a deep sleep into a life threatening situation with people pointing guns at him or her.

100 years ago and beyond ( and even for a long time after ) we had violent gangs and criminals as heavily armed as they are today yet the police were somehow able to effectively deal with them without all of the militarization they have today.

Civilization needs law enforcement and ours is no different. The question is how much and we must always remember more government equals less freedom and liberty.
 
Henrin said:
How much you want you to bet that crime only increases a few percentage points. How much you want to bet that the police don't discourage crime all that much at all.
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You think crime wouldn't increase dramatically if people knew there was no potential of getting caught or punished?
 
X Factor said:
It would be like "The Purge".
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I doubt that.

The purge was fine entertainment but ran off of a premise which I think is false.

Most people are not stopped from preventing murder and other violent acts because it is illegal. Sure a few would react to lack of laws or law enforcement by being violent but I doubt many would.

Most people would still be decent to each other and not try to harm each other if the laws or law enforcement suddenly vanished.

OF course if the purge were real I would commit many illegal acts such as ripping off the tag on my matress which reads " do not remove under penalty of law "

Or collecting rain water.

Or planting a vegetable garden in my front yard.

Or feeding some homeless guy or dropping a quarter into an expired parking meter.
 
X Factor said:
You think crime wouldn't increase dramatically if people knew there was no potential of getting caught or punished?
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No, I don't.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
OF course if the purge were real I would commit many illegal acts such as ripping off the tag on my matress which reads " do not remove under penalty of law "

Or collecting rain water.

Or planting a vegetable garden in my front yard.

Or feeding some homeless guy or dropping a quarter into an expired parking meter.
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Yeah, things like permit laws would get violated like crazy.
 
Soupnazi630 said:
OR a suburban home?

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The theory always seems to be that such law enforcement assets are to be used only for the most dangerous situations where officers might have to face violent opposition.

The problem is such situations are few and far between. So the rest of the time these assets whether a SWAT team or vehicle or whatever sits around and trains goes on display in a parade or whatever. Then everyone from the politicians on down wonder why they spend so much time and money doing very little. THEN they start to find reasons and excuse to put these assets to work.

Inevitable you end up sending these assets out for situations which would otherwise be routine. Then we start seeing the result such as innocent people being killed because a heavily militarized police force raided the wrong house due to a typo and the innocent homeowner had no idea who was attacking him and tried to defend himself. Or just had a heart attack after being forced from a deep sleep into a life threatening situation with people pointing guns at him or her.

100 years ago and beyond ( and even for a long time after ) we had violent gangs and criminals as heavily armed as they are today yet the police were somehow able to effectively deal with them without all of the militarization they have today.

Civilization needs law enforcement and ours is no different. The question is how much and we must always remember more government equals less freedom and liberty.
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I dont mind them having the armored cars, but I do mind when they feel they need to use them when it is not appropriate.
 
clownboy said:
Which is something not generally handled by police in the first place.
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True, but if they weren't enforced no one would bother dealing with it.
 
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Amandi said:
I dont mind them having the armored cars, but I do mind when they feel they need to use them when it is not appropriate.
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Well that was kind of my point.

Once in a great while the need arises but the rest of the time they will find any excuse to employ them. The response always seems to be try and limit their use which never seems to work.

The only viable answer seems to be stripping these assets from them.
 
clownboy said:
Which is something not generally handled by police in the first place.
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So no one has been arrested for these legal infringements?

I seem to recall a heavily armed response to a grocery store in california which was selling raw milk. I have seen several examples of people arrested for randomly putting quarters into expired parking meters. It was in fact the local police which informed certian people in some areas that their kids could not operate a lemonade stand without business license.

If pople ignore the insane and crazy laws imposed on them the police will be called to intervene when the actions of beauracrats are disregarded.

Every regulatory agency clearly has law enforcement backing them up which means these agencies operate under implied threat of force.
 
DaveFagan said:
List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States prior to 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Take some time to follow the 2014 links and numbers as well.

"This is an incomplete list that may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by expanding it with entries that are reliably sourced.This is a list of people killed by nonmilitary law enforcement officers occurring before 2009, whether in the line of duty or not, and regardless of reason or method. Inclusion in the list implies neither wrongdoing nor justification on the part of the person killed or the officer involved. The listing merely documents the occurrence of a death. Killings are arranged by date of incident which caused death. Different death dates are, if possible, noted in the description.
The lists below are incomplete, as the annual average number of justifiable homicides committed by law enforcement alone is estimated to be near 400.[SUP][1][/SUP]
For lists of killings from other years, see List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States."

Has militarization of USA police increased this number?

Do more of the deaths seem unjustified?

Do you approve of the militarization of USA police?

Do the police seem trigger-happy?

Why are there so few deaths by Law Enforcement Officers in England?
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I do not approve of the police militarization.That said I do not know if this is leading up to more or less justified and unjustified shootings of alleged criminals. Nor do I know if cops are becoming trigger-happy.It is irrelevant why England allegedly has less deaths by law enforcement officers.England is a completely different country than the US.
 
I very much believe the cops in this area are trigger-happy (nervous) but they may have some reason. A few yrs ago we had 9 cops shot in a 6 week period and 6 died. (The famous 4 in the coffee shop was one of the shootings.)

OTOH it cannot excuse things like this, also here: man in a basement, in bed sleeping. Cops break in to arrest a suspect. Man in bed (not homeowner, not suspect) is shot 16 times by cops. And survives.

How many things could they have done wrong?

--didnt identify target

--shot wrong man

--shot a man that was not even interpreted as a threat

--didnt manage to kill him with 16 shots

I dont mess with cops....you never know how someone who's life is on the line is going to react, not even a cop.
 
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