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Should government be able to impose a curfew on adults?

Should the government be allowed to impose a curfew on adults?

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jamesrage

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Should government be able to impose a curfew on adults?


I say no.Government is the servant of the people not the boss of the people. If a few bad apples are rioting and looting then get the police to arrest those individuals. Government has absolutely no business telling the people when they can and can't leave their homes.
 
I'm not thrilled with it either but if I were a store owner in Ferguson I would be for it. Solid maybe.
 
Certain circumstances seems to be a yes, as I doubt yes just means willy-nilly.
 
jamesrage said:
Should government be able to impose a curfew on adults?


I say no.Government is the servant of the people not the boss of the people. If a few bad apples are rioting and looting then get the police to arrest those individuals. Government has absolutely no business telling the people when they can and can't leave their homes.
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Yes, but it's another one of those powers that is best kept vague and used sparingly. When times arise where it is absolutely necessary curfews, suspension of habeaus corpus, and other temporary suspensions of civil liberties will be enacted regardless of possible legal prohibitions as evidenced by the Civil War.
 
Sherman123 said:
Yes, but it's another one of those powers that is best kept vague and used sparingly. When times arise where it is absolutely necessary curfews, suspension of habeaus corpus, and other temporary suspensions of civil liberties will be enacted regardless of possible legal prohibitions as evidenced by the Civil War.
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It is.



Adult Curfews & Strict Scrutiny

Curfews directed at adults touch upon fundamental constitutional rights and thus are subject to strict judicial scrutiny. The U. S. Supreme Court has ruled that "[t]he right to walk the streets, or to meet publicly with one's friends for a noble purpose or for no purpose at all—and to do so whenever one pleases—is an integral component of life in a free and ordered society." Papachristou v. City of Jacksonville, 405 US 156, 164, 31 L. Ed. 2d 110, 92 S. Ct 839 (1972).

To satisfy strict-scrutiny analysis, a government-imposed curfew on adults must be supported by a compelling state interest that is narrowly tailored to serve the curfew's objective. Court's are loath to find that an interest advanced by the government is compelling. The more justifications that courts find to uphold a curfew on adults, the more watered-down becomes the fundamental right to travel and to associate with others in public places at all times of the day.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that this right may be legitimately curtailed when a community has been ravaged by flood, fire, or disease, or when its safety and Welfare are otherwise threatened. Zemel v. Rusk, 381 U.S. 1, 85 S. Ct. 1271, 14 L. Ed. 2d 179 (1965). The California Court of Appeals cited this ruling in a case that reviewed an order issued by the city of Long Beach, California, which declared a state of emergency and imposed curfews on all adults (and minors) within the city's confines after widespread civil disorder broke out following the Rodney G. King beating trial, in which four white Los Angeles police officers were acquitted of using excessive force in subduing an African-American motorist following a high-speed traffic chase. In re Juan C., 28 Cal. App. 4th 1093, 33 Cal. Rptr. 2d 919 (Cal. App. 1994).

"Rioting, looting and burning," the California court wrote, "pose a similar threat to the safety and welfare of a community, and provide a compelling reason to impose a curfew." "The right to travel is a hollow promise when members of the community face the possibility of being beaten or shot by an unruly mob if they attempt to exercise this right," the court continued, and "[t]emporary restrictions on the right… are a reasonable means of reclaiming order from anarchy so that all might exercise their constitutional rights freely and safely."
West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.​

Curfew legal definition of Curfew​
 
If martial law is declared, then yes; otherwise no.
 
No, adults are not children and should not be treated like children.
 
- maybe under certian circumstances


However only under extreme circumstances. War comes to mind as one possible time when I would support a curfew of the civilian population. If the movements of civilians were putting the protection of the community, country, or troops at risk then I would fully support restrictions.
 
jamesrage said:
Should government be able to impose a curfew on adults?


I say no.Government is the servant of the people not the boss of the people. If a few bad apples are rioting and looting then get the police to arrest those individuals. Government has absolutely no business telling the people when they can and can't leave their homes.
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It is not the imposed curfew that got to me, but the overwhelming presence of military personnel and equipment...and I am not referring to the National Guard presence. It
looked like a scene out of the Ukraine. It looked like a police state. What difference between us and Cuba, Russia or China? Big Brother in full regalia...
 
Yes...if it applies to everyone else but me and whichever employees of the businesses I wish to utilize while this curfew is on.
 
Geoist said:
No, adults are not children and should not be treated like children.
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The father of the nation. All of china are his children.


but no srsly, yes, under certain circumstances. While I don't know if this ferguson one is one of them, certainly in the case of say, virus pandemic or other such outbreaks, yes, curfew can and should be imposed. And yes, even on adults.
 
In times of civil crisis, absolutely.
 
jamesrage said:
Should government be able to impose a curfew on adults?


I say no.Government is the servant of the people not the boss of the people. If a few bad apples are rioting and looting then get the police to arrest those individuals. Government has absolutely no business telling the people when they can and can't leave their homes.
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I strongly oppose the removal of liberty from anyone who has not committed any crime against society. Henrin said it well in another thread - to paraphrase, the imposition of a curfew is the acknowledgement that the police have failed in their normal duty to keep peace and protect the property and person of those in their jurisdiction.

Personally, if I lived in Ferguson, I wouldn't need a curfew to behave in a civilized manner and if riots were going on at night, I'd be happy in my home while the police took care of it. I'd much rather have the trouble makers out on the streets doing their thing and a huge police resistance rounding them up and jailing them. And it should be preceded by a police statement that anyone observed in violent activity will be immediately arrested and if they resist arrest or refuse to stop the police have instructions to shoot until the violent rioter(s) are incapacitated.

In my view, violent rioters take away my liberty by eliminating my safe access to my community - I don't want my police force to do the same. I do want them to take away the violent rioters liberty and safety.
 
If the people would act like adults rather than apes, there would be no need for it at all. I don't like thd idea of curfews, but to think the cops can actually arrest all the nuts out there, when serious rioting and destruction is going on, is naive thinking. Authorities respond to the level of threat. If people cant act in a civilized manner, they don't deserve to be treated as such.
 
lizzie said:
If the people would act like adults rather than apes, there would be no need for it at all. I don't like thd idea of curfews, but to think the cops can actually arrest all the nuts out there, when serious rioting and destruction is going on, is naive thinking. Authorities respond to the level of threat. If people cant act in a civilized manner, they don't deserve to be treated as such.
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Wow, you really chose to use the word "ape"?
 
AliHajiSheik said:
Wow, you really chose to use the word "ape"?
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Yes. Humans are barely above that level, in case you haven't noticed. There isn't much to separate us besides reasoning ability, and in most people I have my doubts that they can maintain their civility with even the slightest bit of stress these days.
I wasnt aware that ape is a bad word nowadays. It is where we came from.
 
Under normal circumstances - NO. In times of extreme emergency like rioting or insurrection - it might be a necessary temporary step to restoring law and order to a besieged community where it has broken down.
 
Should we assume that the word "adult" as used here is limited in reference to those who actually act like one?
 
only in extreme circumstances.
 
jamesrage said:
Should government be able to impose a curfew on adults?


I say no.Government is the servant of the people not the boss of the people. If a few bad apples are rioting and looting then get the police to arrest those individuals. Government has absolutely no business telling the people when they can and can't leave their homes.
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I don't understand it well enough to give a blanket answer on such a thing, but I'll just say that the manner in which the Ferguson Police enacted it reinforced the image of them seeing civilians as their enemies.
 
Should government be able to impose a curfew on adults?
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NO, not if they behave like adults. However, when adults behave like lawless mob, yes, absolutely.
I understand passion, compassion, anger and frustration and the need for protest, but I can't tolerate irresponsible and violent thugs.
 
jamesrage said:
Should government be able to impose a curfew on adults?


I say no. Government is the servant of the people not the boss of the people. If a few bad apples are rioting and looting then get the police to arrest those individuals. Government has absolutely no business telling the people when they can and can't leave their homes.
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If you're referring to the federal government then I would agree with you, James_

But; communities should accept that "curfews" might sometimes be necessary to the common good, providing it is a tool implemented exclusively by local law enforcement and only in extreme circumstances_

Because common sense tells us that extreme situations call for extreme solutions, which could sometimes justify a curfew_

And should the Federal Government believe a "curfew" to be necessary, it could issue a public request to the local police authorities where it is believed an extreme condition exists that warrants such a response_

On it's own, the Feds would eventually/inevitably abuse such power; simply as a means of self-preservation_

For those who don't see it yet; a big powerful all-encompassing government is the worst threat freedom loving people now face!

"Beware the piper, as you follow singing and dancing, as he plays his beautiful tune"
 
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