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Ferguson

Is Ferguson about...

  • Racism

    Votes: 16 19.5%

  • Police injustice

    Votes: 22 26.8%

  • Cultural differences

    Votes: 12 14.6%

  • Class Warfare

    Votes: 12 14.6%

  • Crazy people

    Votes: 26 31.7%

  • All the above

    Votes: 29 35.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 19.5%
  • Total voters
    82
Lakryte said:
It is an assumption the officer is telling the truth and all the other witnesses are lying. Perhaps you are feeble minded enough to believe everything the government says. Enjoy your 1983 mindset, but some of us are not as easily spoon-fed.
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Yeah whatever, you are a genius and everybody else is an idiot. What a world you live in.
 
What concerns me is how much people believe that actually is just sexied up for TV. There are several LEOs in this thread, or families of LEOs. Maybe people should listen to people who actually know what they are talking about.
 
Superfly said:
What concerns me is how much people believe that actually is just sexied up for TV. There are several LEOs in this thread, or families of LEOs. Maybe people should listen to people who actually know what they are talking about.
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That doesn't stop anybody. I was military, but there are several armchair generals in here that know what I did better than I do.
 
WI Crippler said:
That doesn't stop anybody. I was military, but there are several armchair generals in here that know what I did better than I do.
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I am an arm chair Admiral... just to set the matter straight.
 
Superfly said:
What concerns me is how much people believe that actually is just sexied up for TV. There are several LEOs in this thread, or families of LEOs. Maybe people should listen to people who actually know what they are talking about.
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As much as I like that philosophy... to take Crue Cab as an example, maybe it isn't always a good idea to listen to a person just because of their job. As a teacher, I know that many teachers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
 
It's like....race, man. Wow.
 
Oh, marijuana in his system. He definitely was a bad guy then.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yes.


j/k... did he really? I do the same with Ron Artest who changed his name to Meta World Peace. How stupid is that name? :lol:
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I dunno, I still call Prince, "Prince" even tho he changed his name to a symbol.....:mrgreen:

Am I a racist?
 
Lursa said:
I dunno, I still call Prince, "Prince" even tho he changed his name to a symbol.....:mrgreen:

Am I a racist?
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No. But you are totally a symbolist!
 
Bodhisattva said:
As much as I like that philosophy... to take Crue Cab as an example, maybe it isn't always a good idea to listen to a person just because of their job. As a teacher, I know that many teachers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
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*shudder* Good point.
 
Because nothing says 'I am earnestly chagrined at what I perceive to be a gross violation of civil rights', like smashing a store-front window and running off with a television set. lulz That's solidarity and conviction, right there.
 
grip said:
This is one of the most well written and sobering op-ed pieces I've read by a celebrity. I only posted the parts that seemed relevant before it got tl;dr.

It's not that we don't want to get it right, it's that we don't know how to frame the problem correctly, due to certain unsavory aspects about our society that could lead to a solution.

This is also endemic of a wider problem with the displeasure of the current governing system, similar to the civil protests and counter-culture of the 1960's. These situations could continue to spread and become more common (hope not), as the class/race/cultural distinctions become more disparaging.








ps. If I don't respond, it's because my PC is down and I'm on an old laptop that barely functions.
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Great article Grip. Thanks for posting
 
Sykes said:
Oh, marijuana in his system. He definitely was a bad guy then.
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Yeah that's BS.

My limited understanding of that drug makes me think it would have made him calm, thus less likely to get in a confrontation with police. Plus it stays in the system awhile, so saying "he had marijuana in his system" might mean he smoked it a few days or a week ago?

Basically a meaningless datum.
 
NoC_T said:
Because nothing says 'I am earnestly chagrined at what I perceive to be a gross violation of civil rights', like smashing a store-front window and running off with a television set. lulz That's solidarity and conviction, right there.
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Just know that as I say, "I feel ya brother" I am throwing a rock through my neighbours window. YEAH!!!! No Freedom No Peace!!!
 
NoC_T said:
Because nothing says 'I am earnestly chagrined at what I perceive to be a gross violation of civil rights', like smashing a store-front window and running off with a television set. lulz That's solidarity and conviction, right there.
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What that says, is "I don't think. I only react". That's the damn shame of it all.
 
Lutherf said:
All of the above.

I've watched two nights of live feeds from Ferguson and I've seen passionate people, angry people, crazy people, stupid people, violent people, responsible people and people just wandering around wondering where their world went. It's ugly.

Yeah, racism is part of it. At this point I'd say it's more the institutional kind of racism where people of one race just assume that people of another race hate them....and it's going both ways.

Yeah, it's police injustice because I've seen cops being assholes but when you get right down to it, they're dealing with assholes on the other side. The problem is that they're lowering themselves to that level.

Yeah, it's cultural differences. Folks in Ferguson apparently don't think twice about incidental crime. It's just part of their daily life and others don't understand that.

Yeah, it's class warfare. Blacks are feeling like they're a subset of American culture. Of course all this crap in Ferguson isn't exactly going to change that point of view.

And yeah, it's crazy people. How ANYBODY could figure that this kind of behavior is productive or positive or reminiscent of the civil rights struggle is absolutely bat**** crazy.
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Very, very well said.
 
Wiggen said:
Let's see - you call Kareem Lew Alcindor and I'm playing the race card? Hilarious. Your use of a name he chose to abandon speaks volumes about you and your attitude towards race.
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Do tell...how is my thinking he is a race baiting puss bag, someone who has been and is silent on the day to day violence and crime that TRULY plagues black America, and because I think he is as vile as say...you...'racist'?
 
NoC_T said:
Because nothing says 'I am earnestly chagrined at what I perceive to be a gross violation of civil rights', like smashing a store-front window and running off with a television set. lulz That's solidarity and conviction, right there.
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Bodhisattva said:
Just know that as I say, "I feel ya brother" I am throwing a rock through my neighbours window. YEAH!!!! No Freedom No Peace!!!
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This has nothing to do with the validity of what is being protested, this instead is a complaint about how they choose to protest. Don't confuse the two
 
opendebate said:
This has nothing to do with the validity of what is being protested, this instead is a complaint about how they choose to protest. Don't confuse the two
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Who cares about the "validity of the debate" in this instance? Out of all of the people confusing the two you choose me? That only indicates that you haven't read posts on the subject in this thread. We are not confusing the two... I have been very clear that the validity of the debate is irrelevant to how and when people choose to complain/protest.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Who cares about the "validity of the debate" in this instance? Out of all of the people confusing the two you choose me? That only indicates that you haven't read posts on the subject in this thread. We are not confusing the two... I have been very clear that the validity of the debate is irrelevant to how and when people choose to complain/protest.
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I do.

No it is not irrelevant. If you choose to allow yourself to be distracted by "how" people choose to protest you are loosing sight of the real problem and indirectly appear to be judging the validity of their outrage
 
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opendebate said:
This has nothing to do with the validity of what is being protested, this instead is a complaint about how they choose to protest. Don't confuse the two
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But for the fact that said debacle suffices as an excuse, in the minds of the looters. I don't believe for one second that they're emotionally invested, much less ideologically motivated.
 
NoC_T said:
But for the fact that said debacle suffices as an excuse, in the minds of the looters. I don't believe for one second that they're emotionally invested, much less ideologically motivated.
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why.............
 
Know what? There's a problem. It's a biggie, too, and it ain't going away, much as anyone wants to deny and minimize and gloss over with nice-sounding words. Someone said it's more about poverty than race and that's nearly a summary that I can get behind but it's still about race, a little bit.
Or mostly, I can't say, not being American.
 
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