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Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police?[W:144]

Will Ferguson have a chilling effect on police work in black neighborhoods?


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No.


-Urban blacks don't trust police forces. That isn't ever going to change come good or bad times.

-Liberal and conservative whites do not care what happens in black, Hispanic areas and will never come good or bad times.


Things will never change. Some things were never meant to change for very precise reasons that are out of human political control.




It's the same reason liberal politicians can't prevent or hamper white flight phenomena. It is not controllable politically speaking. These are sociocultural phenomena that cannot be stopped.
 
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Then why bother with having police at all? I mean, if they are afraid to confront a suspect, then they are in the wrong line of work. I don't care if a suspect is black, white or purple. If he fits the description of someone who just strongarm robbed a store, and he is stupid enough to carry the stolen goods with him -- if the cop is too scared to confront him, then the cop should be looking for another job.

You are missing the point. The point isn't that cops are in fear of the suspect. The point is that cops are apprehensive to take action knowing any action they are forced to take by making a stand could turn in to a media ****storm and greatly effecting his family for a decade or more. Example ? Say Officer Darren Wilson is proven to be innocent, his life doesn't just go back to the way it was instantly.....and this **** is starting to become a common occurrence.

Our police officers deserve better, or we will find ourselves with a lack of adequate men and women to do the job.
 
Mike Brown was unarmed, walking down the street, and a cop killed him.

There's more to the story and we don't have all the details yet but that simple assessment is what seems to be in play right now and it has caused riots, looting, destruction of property, curfews and at least one more shooting. This all begs the question.....if you are a cop working in a predominantly black neighborhood what are you going to do if you are in a situation where you may have to use force against a black suspect? If it's not a life or death situation are you just going to walk away?

In the Mike Brown scenario Officer Wilson could have just blown the whole thing off. Yeah, maybe he just made contact with the kid that robbed the liquor store but is it really worth his career to take action and risk being thrust into the public spotlight? If he says, "Come here, please. I need to ask you a few questions" and the kid tells him to **** off should he just walk away?

If a cop has his own interests in mind he would certainly, in light of the circumstances in Ferguson, have to think twice before having any kind of physical contact with a confrontational black suspect.

That might be a good thing for community relations between police and blacks. Certainly less confrontation would be welcome....wouldn't it?

You make a good point but..... crime doesn't have color. Cops should arrest criminals. Cops should use appropriate force against black criminals, white criminals, and every other adjective that can be applied to criminals.

As an aside, color and race isn't a problem in the USA. Culture is.
 
They are just trying to find somebody drunk, somebody with a warrant, somebody not insured, or something. It's how they make money, so it's not an issue of the cops race. It's an issue of how the entire system is build to make money, and how the system works in lower class and especially minority/immigrant communities.

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From the first line, it would appear they are just doing their job.... You know... As a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER?

Then you go on an unwarranted rant about money. While the state collects fines, if any, from these violations, there is absolutely no monetary incentive for an officer from arrests and fines accumulated from their work.

The funny part about your last line about low income areas is that the majority of fines given in poverty areas to unpaid anyhow.
 
No.


-Urban blacks don't trust police forces. That isn't ever going to change come good or bad times.

-Liberal and conservative whites do not care what happens in black, Hispanic areas and will never come good or bad times.


Things will never change. Some things were never meant to change for very precise reasons that are out of human political control.




It's the same reason liberal politicians can't prevent or hamper white flight phenomena. It is not controllable politically speaking. These are sociocultural phenomena that cannot be stopped.

I think your assessment is good except the last line... I believe something can be done. Our society has to quit pretending that all cultures are of equal value and importance. We need to promote a positive respectful culture in media, in school, at home, and within our government agencies. We need to promote family values, chastity, honor, and education. We need to shun and cast out cultural Ideas and practices that form weak families, weak neighborhoods, and promote generational failure.
 
I think your assessment is good except the last line... I believe something can be done. Our society has to quit pretending that all cultures are of equal value and importance. We need to promote a positive respectful culture in media, in school, at home, and within our government agencies. We need to promote family values, chastity, honor, and education. We need to shun and cast out cultural Ideas and practices that form weak families, weak neighborhoods, and promote generational failure.



What can be done?


Whites, Asians, white Hispanics, Jews control and earn the money in the suburbs, cities and rural areas and they're never going to devote that money to minorities. Ever. They have absolutely no incentive to and that will always remain the same.


Just the same, the blacks, Hispanics and others in urban settings have no real reason to obey the law. They have nothing to lose. There exist no jobs for them and never will. Ever. That's the harsh truth.
 
How can they isolate themselves from the violence when the violence follows them? Do you think rioters are going to riot away from the peaceful protests? The police are taksed at protecting innocent people and property, but they may not violate individual rights in the process. By "any means necessary" is not lawful.

Hello? ARe you going to respond?
 
Luther, I think I may have to change no to yes in that there may be slight change - only in the area of DOD surplus. But that would be a positive.
 
Born Free....

Care to tell us your abduction story?
 
What can be done?


Whites, Asians, white Hispanics, Jews control and earn the money in the suburbs, cities and rural areas and they're never going to devote that money to minorities. Ever. They have absolutely no incentive to and that will always remain the same.


Just the same, the blacks, Hispanics and others in urban settings have no real reason to obey the law. They have nothing to lose. There exist no jobs for them and never will. Ever. That's the harsh truth.

What a load of crap you are pushing. Inner cities, by their nature do not push out capital. There is proof all across this country in downtown revitalization projects. It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture. You should be ashamed for even trying to make a distinction between white Hispanics and Hispanics. What the hell are you even talking about?

Each area has its own micro economy that functions in conjunction with the macro economy, when a community's culture is healthy the micro economy is functional, when the culture is dysfunctional money flees. Simple as that.

When an individual seeks to serve another, that individual will promote the exchange of capital. When an individual seeks to serve himself, that individual will cause capital to become locked up. Be moral, serve others, be honest and fair and capital will flow.
 
Then why bother with having police at all? I mean, if they are afraid to confront a suspect, then they are in the wrong line of work. I don't care if a suspect is black, white or purple. If he fits the description of someone who just strongarm robbed a store, and he is stupid enough to carry the stolen goods with him -- if the cop is too scared to confront him, then the cop should be looking for another job.


hence the fact that in a LOT of places, there arent enough viable candidates to fill the roles

so maybe the standards get lowered a little....and then a little more.....and then a little more

and in the end, you have people on the force who shouldnt be there

finding people who want the power is easy

finding people who can handle it is a whole different matter

and in the inner cities.....you couldnt pay me enough

and with all the cop bashing going on around the country now.....

good luck filling the academies next year
 
Each area has its own micro economy that functions in conjunction with the macro economy, when a community's culture is healthy the micro economy is functional, when the culture is dysfunctional money flees. Simple as that.


Okay good so you are actually in complete agreement with me then that, using your own wording, "when a communities culture is dysfunctional money flees" . We all know what "money" in this context means. Jews, Whites, Asians.


You can choose to call it "culture" instead of race, yet at the end of the day I think the demographic stats represent themselves. Let's be honest what people really truly mean when they say "Urban areas". We all know they aren't talking about Anglo areas, about Asian areas, about Jewish areas or about white liberal uptown areas. Let's be precise about what urban populations in the modern American context actually means. It means African American and Hispanics that haven't integrated into the suburban culture.
 
No, your post wasn't worth my time. Sorry.

Yeah... whatever. :lol:

Intellectual cowards often run in the face common sense... bye.
 
Okay good so you are actually in complete agreement with me then that, using your own wording, "when a communities culture is dysfunctional money flees" . We all know what "money" in this context means. Jews, Whites, Asians.


You can choose to call it "culture" instead of race, yet at the end of the day I think the demographic stats represent themselves. Let's be honest what people really truly mean when they say "Urban areas". We all know they aren't talking about Anglo areas, about Asian areas, about Jewish areas or about white liberal uptown areas. Let's be precise about what urban populations in the modern American context actually means. It means African American and Hispanics that haven't integrated into the suburban culture.

I'm sorry to say this but money does not equal Jews Whites and Asians, and if you think it does you my friend are a racist. There are people in all economic conditions of all races and ethnicity. Money is green paper. Capital is raised with trust and mutually beneficial trade, not by color but with trust.

As for me, I am a rural resident. I do not think in terms of race and ethnicity when I go into the city. I do however think of this: When on the north side of town drive safe, an uninsured driver ran into me and fled the scene up there. Always remember to lock the car (my home and cars are rarely locked in my home town), my suv was stolen and abandoned up there. On the south side never stop for gas, My friend was robbed at gun point on the south side at a gas station.

Now I'll let you guess at the ethnicity and race of the perpetrators. To me I don't care about the color of the thief, I don't care about the color of the gun wielding robber, and I don't care about the color of the uninsured driver. I care about the area of town where they reside. I am careful to avoid those areas and I spend my money where I am safe to keep my doors unlocked. Make sense? Not color, culture.
 
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