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Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

Do you agree with this Preachers comments on the Ferguson situation?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 9 69.2%
  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    13
He's strong on condemnation and impotent frustration, he's just not so hot on suggesting solutions. "We have to CHANGE as black people!" Okay. Any suggestions for how?

The how is fairly simple: Get an education, get a job, lay off the drugs, and, if you want to lift your children out of poverty, marry their mother.

It's not rocket science.
 
He's both right and wrong. He's generally right that people are out there acting silly, but at the same point there is a legitimate structural poverty problem and racism still has a strong presence in the American "justice" system. Even conservatives like Rand Paul have admitted this. He's right that it has gotten better and that rioting won't change anything, but he's wrong that there aren't legitimate factors holding black people back even today. There's legitimate factors holding poor people of all races back.

Racism still exists, and that needs to be acknowledged, however the man is generally right about people acting silly over the issue. We have alot of work to do in the civil rights department, and I do believe the Michael Brown shooting was entirely unjustified, but burning down stores and looting is definitely not a way to fix the problem.

How do you think racial perceptions are impacted when scenes like those from Ferguson are headline news?

Do you think the Preachers message touches on this point?

Personally, I think these scenes help stoke those perceptions, which I firmly believe is the objective of the Jacksons and Sharptons of the world. Think how people who riot after their favorite team wins a championship are viewed.

One of the things that needs to be addressed about racism requires a change from within. Exactly, I believe, what the preacher was so passionately pleading for.
 
He's strong on condemnation and impotent frustration, he's just not so hot on suggesting solutions. "We have to CHANGE as black people!" Okay. Any suggestions for how?

I saw this as a trade against general issues--not specific ones. Do you think he was giving a policy speech to the UN?
 
Ok. The first thing any intelligent person would suggest, is that your statement should say "a significant indicator of poverty is a single parent household." That is because of those two factors, it is unclear which is the causal factor. In other words, do single parent households lead to poverty or does poverty lead to single parent households. If the latter, then it would be more accurate to say poverty predicts single parent households, and not the opposite. That statement is also equally plausible. Or it is quite possible that they are mutually reinforcing phenomenon, single parent households do lead to poverty and poverty does lead to single parent households. One both creates and is created by the other.

The point being, if it is poverty that is the causal factor, then that supports my position, not yours.

No, you dont understand. The single biggest factor associated with poverty is single parenthood. This is science, from people who at least understand it. Stop creating excuses and start being part of the solution-because we know that the lefts war on poverty has made things so much worse.
 
The how is fairly simple: Get an education, get a job, lay off the drugs, and, if you want to lift your children out of poverty, marry their mother.

It's not rocket science.

Only other thing Id add (from studies ive read) is graduating from high school or equivalent.
 
I certainly understand his frustrations.


I am just a human being from a different country and what I see on that screen is a man who is frustrated, and logical. A black man who has made it in a white world. A black man who would if asked assist anyone who wanted assistance.

I have seen this guy before speak on several other issues, always with the right kind of guidance...he wants what is best and he knows how to get it. I also think his agenda is pure.

We have not seen the last of him and his opinions (I hope)
 
I am just a human being from a different country and what I see on that screen is a man who is frustrated, and logical. A black man who has made it in a white world. A black man who would if asked assist anyone who wanted assistance.

I have seen this guy before speak on several other issues, always with the right kind of guidance...he wants what is best and he knows how to get it. I also think his agenda is pure.

We have not seen the last of him and his opinions (I hope)

I like his fire. I like that his heart is in the right place, and that he wants to solve grave and serious issues in his community. The world is full of people who just want to talk bull****, but talking doesn't resolve anything. This guy encourages people to THINK and DO something about the problems plaguing their lives.
 
I like his fire. I like that his heart is in the right place, and that he wants to solve grave and serious issues in his community. The world is full of people who just want to talk bull****, but talking doesn't resolve anything. This guy encourages people to THINK and DO something about the problems plaguing their lives.
I agree...fire people up and point them in the right direction...sales motivators do this all the time...big corporations pay lots of money to bring people in to fire up their sales department...why?....because it works....this works...

I don't know who he is but he is persuasive...he just has to be heard.
 
This guy encourages people to THINK and DO something about the problems plaguing their lives.

At one time this was common knowledge. Thats been replaced with Dancing with the stars and politicians who want to tell people they are already beat, and to not even try.

He seems to recognize that marches, riots, and poverty pimps, and even a black president aren't working out so well. He is not being courageous, hes just stating the common sense some have lost.
 
Matrixed Media Events

.. being fed up, which those people in ferguson may be, doesn't give you the right to riot. It gives you the right to protest.



//I'm not talking about political leaders, like Obama, though Obama would be a good role model for black people. He's calm, he's healthy, he's intelligent and educated... he's a role model as a person.
They have no right to protest in sympathy for a wannabe cop-killer. They pretend to act as if the cops saw a little old lady walking to church and gunned her down just for target practice. Those media-hounds are just abetting criminality in this well-publicized spectacle.
 
At one time this was common knowledge. Thats been replaced with Dancing with the stars.

Omg. You are (unfortunately) probably hitting on the truth of the matter. :lol:

On a more serious note, though, I believe that a good number of blacks in our culture don't yet feel like they can empower themselves. If you don't feel like you can personally rise above the crowd, or stand out from the crowd and be okay with the result, then you are more likely to participate in the more destructive group mentality, and what it often leads to. Imo, the biggest problem we have is that many people cannot get past the past. Eventually, when you want to move forward, you have to leave old ways of thinking behind.
 
Omg. You are (unfortunately) probably hitting on the truth of the matter. :lol:

On a more serious note, though, I believe that a good number of blacks in our culture don't yet feel like they can empower themselves. If you don't feel like you can personally rise above the crowd, or stand out from the crowd and be okay with the result, then you are more likely to participate in the more destructive group mentality, and what it often leads to. Imo, the biggest problem we have is that many people cannot get past the past. Eventually, when you want to move forward, you have to leave old ways of thinking behind.

Exactly. When the strategy doesn't work, consider new tactics.
 
Omg. You are (unfortunately) probably hitting on the truth of the matter. :lol:

On a more serious note, though, I believe that a good number of blacks in our culture don't yet feel like they can empower themselves. If you don't feel like you can personally rise above the crowd, or stand out from the crowd and be okay with the result, then you are more likely to participate in the more destructive group mentality, and what it often leads to. Imo, the biggest problem we have is that many people cannot get past the past. Eventually, when you want to move forward, you have to leave old ways of thinking behind.

and there has to be an opportunity and someone to point out the opportunity like -> mentors...that's why we need more people in our communities just like him...
 
Misfits' Revenge

It is nonsense. It speaks to an incredibly unsophisticated way of viewing the world. Structure exists. Only the blind deny this, yet unsophisticated thinkers cannot process the ways in which structure constricts peoples ability to act. The de jure racism, segregation, and marginalization has largely been done away with. The structures and discourses in society which create de facto racism, segregation, and marginalization still exist. Those structures reproduce poverty, political marginalization, undereducation, etc. Ignoring the fact that 400 years of slavery and segregation left black people in an untenable economic situation, is simply stupid. Expecting black people to overcome their lack of privilege the moment legal obstacles were removed, despite their still existent lack of structural, economic, and political privilege is simply stupid. The lack of legal obstacles is why extraordinary black people like Neil Degrasse Tyson can succeed as they do. The existence of all the other obstacles still in existence, is why average black people do not have the same access to opportunity that average white people do. That is what is important. There are also people from all backgrounds likely to not be successful. It is for the rest of people where the hundreds of years of structural and economic limitations are most clearly viewable. However, it takes a small amount of sophistication of thought to realize this reality.
White weaklings have been provided with a way to compensate for their deficiency in character by convincing themselves that they are morally superior. They can take revenge on the manly and mature by promoting legislation and secular preaching that leaves the society that rejected them defenseless against natural-born killers. Hiding behind the touchy-feely facade of moral outrage, they secretly gloat and cackle when criminal animals are treated by the equally weakling media as innocent teenagers. The power-and-wealth motivated opposition media play along by neglecting to investigate deeply into the motives or they would find the bloodthirsty hatred that is behind the weaklings' bleeding hearts.

But taking over the law and the media is not enough for these vicious snakes. They have to seduce and weaken our children with their warm and fuzzy mind candy. The classroom becomes their holier-than-thou Halloween.
 
It is nonsense. It speaks to an incredibly unsophisticated way of viewing the world. Structure exists. Only the blind deny this, yet unsophisticated thinkers cannot process the ways in which structure constricts peoples ability to act. The de jure racism, segregation, and marginalization has largely been done away with. The structures and discourses in society which create de facto racism, segregation, and marginalization still exist. Those structures reproduce poverty, political marginalization, undereducation, etc. Ignoring the fact that 400 years of slavery and segregation left black people in an untenable economic situation, is simply stupid. Expecting black people to overcome their lack of privilege the moment legal obstacles were removed, despite their still existent lack of structural, economic, and political privilege is simply stupid. The lack of legal obstacles is why extraordinary black people like Neil Degrasse Tyson can succeed as they do. The existence of all the other obstacles still in existence, is why average black people do not have the same access to opportunity that average white people do. That is what is important. In our society extraordinary people are likely to succeed no matter their racial or economic background. There are also people from all backgrounds likely to not be successful. It is for the rest of people where the hundreds of years of structural and economic limitations are most clearly viewable. However, it takes a small amount of sophistication of thought to realize this reality.

I don't deny that pockets and/or acts of racism and injustices against Blacks don't exist. They have and they do. I've even discussed some aspects of racial biasness and/or bigotry throughout this forum. However, I think the Preacher was speaking directly to internal issues many Blacks still struggle with today where some of us point the finger at someone else for our troubles instead of turning that finger back unto ourselves. In some respects, we as a People still get in our own way. A good example is the looting and burning of businesses in Ferguson that likely were Black-owned businesses or businesses frequented by Black patrons. What exactly was the point of taking one more business out of the community? What was the point of creating job loss among a demographic group that is already experiencing high unemployment? Did burning down that business help change the image of Blacks as violent people? What good did burning down a business establishment do for venting their frustration against what they view as an unjust police force?

Again, I get the larger point the Preacher was trying to make: The more you act in the way "THEY" expect you to act, the more you prove "THEM" right in their perception of you. Act differently and you'll be perceived differently.
 
No, you dont understand. The single biggest factor associated with poverty is single parenthood. This is science, from people who at least understand it. Stop creating excuses and start being part of the solution-because we know that the lefts war on poverty has made things so much worse.

I disagree. The single biggest factor associated with poverty is the lack of skills that lead to a higher wage job. I know single parents who do quite well just as I know two-parent households that are struggling financially.
 
No, you dont understand. The single biggest factor associated with poverty is single parenthood. This is science, from people who at least understand it. Stop creating excuses and start being part of the solution-because we know that the lefts war on poverty has made things so much worse.


:doh No I understand perfectly!! You clearly don't. If poverty CAUSES single parenthood, then that supports exactly what I am saying!! The structures that create poverty are the problem, not silly cultural explanations.
 
I disagree. The single biggest factor associated with poverty is the lack of skills that lead to a higher wage job. I know single parents who do quite well just as I know two-parent households that are struggling financially.

Link, please. Your anecdotes dont trump research.
 
I said the precise opposite.


Yes, but without even a shred of evidence, reason, or argument to support that proposition. There is clearly a connection between the two, but which causes which is something that needs to be demonstrated. Something you never did. Which was exactly my original point.
 
Yes, but without even a shred of evidence, reason, or argument to support that proposition. There is clearly a connection between the two, but which causes which is something that needs to be demonstrated. Something you never did. Which was exactly my original point.

2 seconds on google would have elucidated.

If growing up in a single parent household you have a 6x greater chance of being in poverty, this is even worse in minorities, and blacks have a near 80% born out of wedlock incidence.

http://www3.uakron.edu/schulze/401/readings/singleparfam.htm
Marriage and Poverty in the U.S.
Marriage Reduces Child Poverty: United States
Harvard study: Single parents a hindrance to social mobility | WashingtonExaminer.com
On Child Poverty, MSM Ignores the Basic Truth | National Review Online
2-Parent Families Are Best Predictor of Upward Mobility for Poor, Harvard Study Finds
On Child Poverty, MSM Ignores the Basic Truth | National Review Online

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Re: Matrixed Media Events

They have no right to protest in sympathy for a wannabe cop-killer. They pretend to act as if the cops saw a little old lady walking to church and gunned her down just for target practice. Those media-hounds are just abetting criminality in this well-publicized spectacle.

I beg to differ. You have the right to protest anything and also, there is no proof that he is a wanna cop-killer. In fact, the vast amount of evidence begs to the contrary.
 
Can we please stop it with this "left-leaning right-leaning" BS? I am tired of not being able to vote in polls because the options are so limiting.
 
You could go to a (several are better) political survey site and if it says you are directly in the center, come back and tell everyone about it.

Or you could not vote and say something?
Or perhaps seeing the world in a black and white left-right spectrum is simplistic and does not capture the entirety of what people believe? Food for thought.
 
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