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More believable that Michael brown was violent??

Do you feel that Michael was capable of attacking the cop?

  • Yes, it's more believable after seeing the video

    Votes: 26 63.4%

  • No, it's not more believable that he attacked the cop unprovoked

    Votes: 4 9.8%

  • I think the cop shot him out of anger

    Votes: 11 26.8%

  • I think the cop feared for his life and that's why he shot him

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    41
Gardener said:
But he's just a "teenager", Nota -- a poor, defenseless teenager!

I'm always amazed when racialists have no ability to understand the world around them without framing all human interaction based upon race with one race automatically the victim despite their actual pattern of behavior.

For every genuine racist who hates blacks for being black, there must be a hundred racialists who act as enablers for bad behavior.
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Good kid, college bound, straight A student, never gotten into trouble before - Between this place and others, I've heard all this.
 
Gardener said:
Ah -- even more bizarre fantasies.
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Well, I once fanatasized that right wingers could actually comprehened logic for 5 min. and turn off foxnews, limbaugh, hannity, etc., but then I woke up.
 
nota bene said:
In another thread, you've insinuated that the vid-cam footage was faked. I wonder if you still think this, given that it's been confirmed who the guy strong-arming the tiny-by-comparison clerk was.
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solletica said:
Careful, those are some big, adult words you are using: confirmed, insinuated. I recommend that you not use such words until you actually know what they mean.

By Occam's Razor (another word to which you're not likely familiar), that's the explanation for him not being charged, given all the OTHER known facts.
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:lol: Oh ****, nota bene. Don't be using those big words you don't understand!

(this is going to be good)
 
Superfly said:
Good kid, college bound, straight A student, never gotten into trouble before - Between this place and others, I've heard all this.
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However, that day, he felt like robbing a convenience store to throw away his life. Makes sense to me :rolleyes:
 
This may honestly go under conspiracy theories but Michael Brown was shot six minutes after the robbery, at a location nearly a mile away? Unless he was flat out booking it out of there (If that was him) He couldn't have made it that far, plus the person in the robbery video walked out... What I'm getting at, is all this seems fishy and I don't believe that was actually Michael Brown.
 
solletica said:
Well, I once fanatasized that right wingers could actually comprehened logic for 5 min. and turn off foxnews, limbaugh, hannity, etc., but then I woke up.
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While I have certainly encountered many incredibly unintelligent people who refer to me as a "right winger", the truth of the matter is that I voted for Obama, not just once, but twice.
 
solletica said:
However, that day, he felt like robbing a convenience store to throw away his life. Makes sense to me :rolleyes:
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Well, if you really understood the concept of Occam's razor, the simplest explanation would be that he does this sort of thing all the time in life, strong arming when he's denied something he wants, and he finally reached an age and size where his behavior could no longer be excused by youth.
 
solletica said:
Well, I once fanatasized that right wingers could actually comprehened logic for 5 min. and turn off foxnews, limbaugh, hannity, etc., but then I woke up.
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Go for comprehending it first yourself, then you might be surprised at how much others actually have understood all along.:lamo
 
Broadcaster_Red said:
This may honestly go under conspiracy theories but Michael Brown was shot six minutes after the robbery,
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It doesn't make sense that he robbed a store--if that were true, then the whole story as reported in the media is inconsistent, because, had there been such a robbery, the following would've happened. . .

1) The cops would've told the media about the robbery immediately, based on the police report filed by the store employee, to redeem their image, instead of waiting.

2) Dorian Johnson, who supposedly participated in the robbery, would've been immediately arrested after he was seen in the surveillance video and charged w/a crime.

3) Most likely, Michael Brown would've had a criminal record, since it's extremely unlikely that one commits a convenience store robbery w/out any prior history of such behavior.

Whenever there are inconsistencies in a story, logic demands that at least one of the reported statements is false.
 
Well one point...Everyone has a clean record up to some point. Just because you don't have any priors doesn't mean you can't do something that day to warrant getting shot. (Not saying he did, but you cannot look at someone and see "6 priors, go ahead and fire at will"). You have to handle the situation as it presently is.

I remember there being debate about cops wearing a camera on their person, that would record their interactions with people. There were detractors to be sure, but that sort of technology would certainly help with evidence in cases like this.
 
Superfly said:
Have you actually seen the video? Are you discounting it completely?
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The video could've been made after the shooting using actors. Cops can easily arrange such things.

If the story were consistent, then that possibility could've been dismissed, but because the account in the video makes the whole story inconsistent, the possibility of fraud must be raised.
 
solletica said:
Here's the version of the events that's consistent w/all the facts and Occam's Razor. . .

darrell wilson shoots dead Michael Brown who is fleeing from him. And unfortunately for him, there are witnesses and word gets out.

Cops in police dept. are in a frenzy--have to come w/up a story fast to justify the cops' actions, and decide to make a phony video of a robbery, paying the convenience store clerk/manager a large sum of $$ to film it there. Cops make the video, then decide to say that the wilson was trying to capture a robber--Michael Wilson--fleeing the crime.

However, the evidence doesn't hold up that wilson could've known about the robbery at the time, and so cops are left to say that wilson didn't know about the robbery but that it happened anyway. Cops then go to Brown's friend, Johnson, and coerce him into saying that he helped rob the store in exchange for not charging him w/another crime and letting him walk free.
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Not necessarily. Additional accounts have the 2 teens on the sidewalk after the cops tell them to move, the cops start to drive away, and the teens get back in the road. That is where the make contact again. There is time for the cops to receive word about a the store robbery. It also could explain why, in one account, the officer started to draw his gun when Brown approached his window.
 
solletica said:
It's the simplest logical explanation given the following facts

1) Cops waited for 2 days before releasing robbery account, instead of immediately following the incident.
2) Michael Brown had no criminal record
3) Dorian Johnson wasn't charged w/robbery, even though video (supposedly) shows he helped commit it.

I suggest you go back to listening to Limbaugh, since logic is too much for your conservative head.
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The video is damning, inflammatory, and may legally not be connected to the case.

The police chief said he was told to release it in the news conference. Not sure if by lawyers or the mayor, etc.
 
solletica said:
The video could've been made after the shooting using actors. Cops can easily arrange such things.

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Or by space aliens working in conjunction with the illuminati!
 
solletica said:
The video could've been made after the shooting using actors. Cops can easily arrange such things.

If the story were consistent, then that possibility could've been dismissed, but because the account in the video makes the whole story inconsistent, the possibility of fraud must be raised.
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:roll:
 
One of the problems with events of this nature is that they tend to get turned into something they arent for political gain and then we are offered these false perceptions and realities that, when are proven to be false, create all the other craziness and distract from the actual concern.

40 days after the incident, the race baiters got involved and Trayvon Martin was offered up as an angel...a cute little 12 year old boy in soft edged pictures, an all American kid that played football and loved his mama til he was gunned down by an evil white man. Then...we he was a pot smoking thug who was kicked out of school for breaking into lockers and regularly engaged in fighting. The white man turned out to be a Hispanic but THAT rhetoric was never going to fly so they described George Zimmerman as a "White Latino." Everything became about everything OTHER than what had actually happened.

In this shooting, poor Mike Brown was a soft little guy that loved his mama was going to go to college and be a success. He was gunned down for no reason and the evil cop stepped out of his car spraying bullets at an innocent kid from 35 feet away. Except...he was a thug, with moments of violence, that moments before the incident is captured on video throwing an old guy around in a store where he just stole cigars. The cop didnt gun him down right away he was trying to arrest him...no...wait...he was putting him in the back seat of the cruiser...no...no...he was dragging a 6'4' 300 pounder into the front seat of the cruiser....

We still know precisely squat about what actually happened.
 
solletica said:
The video could've been made after the shooting using actors. Cops can easily arrange such things.

If the story were consistent, then that possibility could've been dismissed, but because the account in the video makes the whole story inconsistent, the possibility of fraud must be raised.
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Well they went to amazing detail to do so, since even his underwear matched in both events, robbery and shooting.

See pics in post 139 in this thread:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-suspect-before-he-shot-death-police-say.html
 
solletica said:
The video could've been made after the shooting using actors. Cops can easily arrange such things.
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Lursa said:
Well they went to amazing detail to do so, since even his underwear matched in both events, robbery and shooting.

See pics in post 139 in this thread:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-suspect-before-he-shot-death-police-say.html
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Don't even try to reason with Solletica. At some point, this has to be considered trolling.

Besides, the cops didn't have time to go in and film a video. They were too busy trying to stop people from destroying their town. :roll:


Or was that all fake, too? All the videos we are seeing of the riots and looting - wonder if that was faked by the police, too?
 
People will believe what they want to believe, with or without any proof.
 
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