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Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 36.5%

  • No

    Votes: 27 51.9%

  • Other

    Votes: 6 11.5%
  • Total voters
    52
Zyphlin said:
While I don't believe impeachment is in any way reasonable or intelligent at the moment, there is legitimate argument behind the notion that his failure to notify congress prior to the prisoner swap for Bowe Bergdahl was an illegal act.

I don't believe any of his executive orders or the rest of his executive actions have been "illegal", as I don't believe that he did any of them with clear and purposeful intent to violate the constitution but truthfully believed he was acting faithfully in line with the constitution, but I do think there's a reasonable argument to be made that some of his executive orders and actions have potentially been unconstitutional in that they're outside the scope of what the President can do within the realm of our checks and balances.
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When the Supreme Court unanimously says you've over reached your authority, does that not count as breaking the law? And it's not like this is the first time the Supreme Court has had to smack down the President's abuse of power.
 
AJiveMan said:
I can hear the veto pen being clicked as I type.
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Obama is aware of the dangers of indiscriminate use of that veto pen. Personally, I don't think he'll use it nearly as much as his supporters hope he will or as much as he is implying he will.

I think it's a bluff.
 
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AJiveMan said:
I can hear the veto pen being clicked as I type.
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And that is a good thing. It will give the people a stark view of the differences between the two parties. The passed legislation from congress and perhaps the president's veto. Well, probably not a whole lot of perhaps. The Republicans saying this is the way the country should go, the president saying no. This would really give the people the some defining items to choose from.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
When the Supreme Court unanimously says you've over reached your authority, does that not count as breaking the law?
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No, it does not. If it was it would be a felony or misdemeanor offense; it is neither. A Supreme Court decision doesn't impart some special status simply if it's unanimous. Presidential administrations have had their actions overturned throughout the years...none of those instances were examples of a President acting in an illegal fashion. Same goes for Obama. Nothing in our legal system magically makes it an illegal action simply because it's unanimous.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Simple question: Do You Approve of the GOP's Lawsuit Against Obama?
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Other. I agree with the principle involved, but it sets a dangerous precedent. Next time there's a Dem Congress and a GOP Pres....10 bucks says the same thing happens.
 
rocket88 said:
At least that would be unquestionably within his Constitutional powers.
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What he should do is just cave to the GOP, give 'em anything and everything they want, then Americans will see the fruits of the GOP's labors, see that our prez is really a wet noodle, and say, well, he gave 'em what they wanted, we'll not vote R ever again. Use a bit of reverse stupidity on the R's.

If the lawsuit is successful, nobody in their right mind would ever want to be a president again, 'cause EO's will get 'em in trouble. It's why the dems never followed through with impeaching Bush for war crimes, a barrel of worms would have been opened.

Do we want to go down this road?
 
AJiveMan said:
What he should do is just cave to the GOP, give 'em anything and everything they want, then Americans will see the fruits of the GOP's labors, see that our prez is really a wet noodle, and say, well, he gave 'em what they wanted, we'll not vote R ever again. Use a bit of reverse stupidity on the R's.

If the lawsuit is successful, nobody in their right mind would ever want to be a president again, 'cause EO's will get 'em in trouble. It's why the dems never followed through with impeaching Bush for war crimes, a barrel of worms would have been opened.

Do we want to go down this road?
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depends

do we want a president?

or do we want an imperial monarch?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Just saying if you think someone should be sued shouldnt you know at least some of the details for why he is being sued instead of just jumping behind rhetoric?
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If you don't know the reasons by now then I feel sorry for you.
 
Navy Pride said:
You don't check the block that makes the votes public then I don't vote in your poll.
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Navy Pride said:
If you don't know the reasons by now then I feel sorry for you.
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No. I dont think you know the reasons, and thats why you cant give specifics instead just stand behind partisan rhetoric.
 
Our government was deliberately designed by the founders to discourage making laws. Built in gridlock. Two houses majority to pass, escape executive veto, survive scotus review.
Obama is impatient and wants immediate gratification. If congress won't give him what he wants, he'll do it without them. if he disagrees with a law, he instructs Justice not to enforce.
We rebelled against Britain because we would not tolerate living under whims of a king and counselors.
So we should abide by Obama's whims?

The lawsuit by congress does open a can of worms. If Obama is found culpable for abuse of executive power, private individuals will be able to sue for monetary penalties.
Yes I know officials are protected from legal actions regarding activities while in exercise of their office.
THAT IS THE POINT! Excessive, abusive, un-constitutional activities are NOT exercise of the office and NOT immune.
Obama will spend the rest of his life fighting trillions of dollars of lawsuits. And the government won't pay his legal bills once he is a civilian again. His pocket is vulnerable!

and if future presidents restrict EOs to improving performance in federal bureaus, that is JUSTICE and how it should be!
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Who do executive orders apply to? What do congressional laws apply to? Answer that and you will know the drastic difference.
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Leadership isn't insisting everything go the way you want, blame those you need to work with when it doesn't, then brandish a magic to get what you want. Obama has no clue how to be a leader and gain consensus.

For a self-proclaimed untier Obama's people skills are abhorrent. And just think, you guys fell for it.

Drawing a sharp contrast with Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, his main rival for the Democratic presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama said in an interview that he has the capacity she may lack to unify the country and move it out of what he called "ideological gridlock."

"I think it is fair to say that I believe I can bring the country together more effectively than she can," Obama said.
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Obama Says He Can Unite U.S. 'More Effectively' Than Clinton

What? :wow:
 
AJiveMan said:
I can hear the veto pen being clicked as I type.
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He better get a case of pens because they will make him work for a living. Then who is the party of no?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063619104 said:
Leadership isn't insisting everything go the way you want, blame those you need to work with when it doesn't, then brandish a magic to get what you want. Obama has no clue how to be a leader and gain consensus.

For a self-proclaimed untier Obama's people skills are abhorrent. And just think, you guys fell for it.



Obama Says He Can Unite U.S. 'More Effectively' Than Clinton

What? :wow:
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You didnt answer a single question you quoted me on. Instead used lame rhetoric that has nothing to do with this "lawsuit"
 
Yes, I do support it. The President has been overstepping his boundaries and the US laws he's supposed to follow for years. He's shredded the constitution in some ways, destroyed our system of checks and balances, and is the most imperial leader we've ever had. Even George Washington, who had no idea how to lead a nation, and only had the British Monarchy to really look to for examples, wasn't as imperial as Obama is. I support the lawsuit because something must be done, and someone had to have the balls to say it and stand up, we Americans certainly have proven ourselves too lazy to do it. I don't support impeaching the President, not that he does not deserve it, because I think displacing him at this point will cause even worse damage to the nation. I fully support holding him accountable for his actions and policies and for those of his administration however. Anyone who disapproves of the lawsuit....well....you have no one to blame but Obama and the Democrats....if Obama had done what was right to begin with...we would not be here...and if the Democrats maintained their role of keeping their party member inside his legal boundaries....we wouldn't be here. The nation and world would be different. The fact is...we're here...so deal with it. Actions have consequences.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063619119 said:
He better get a case of pens because they will make him work for a living. Then who is the party of no?
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The Democrats. There's over 350 bills sitting on Harry Reid's desk that he refuses to allow the Senate to debate. Then the President has the audacity to blame the right for not doing anything when his own side is acting like the Berlin Wall in the Senate.
 
Aren't over 50 of those on repealing Obamacare, just for starters?
Btw, most ConservaTEAs on Debate Politics use the #200.

And how many times did Republicans repeal and REPLACE ? :lamo
Constantine said:
The Democrats. There's over 350 bills sitting on Harry Reid's desk that he refuses to allow the Senate to debate. Then the President has the audacity to blame the right for not doing anything when his own side is acting like the Berlin Wall in the Senate.
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