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should games like this be banned?

should games like this be banned?

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This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.

First off, it’s simple. The premise of Candy Crush is basic enough for a preschooler – just match three candies of the same colour. Initially, the game allows us to win and pass levels with ease, giving a strong sense of satisfaction. These accomplishments are experienced as mini rewards in our brains, releasing the neurochemical dopamine and tapping into the same neuro-circuitry involved in addiction, reinforcing our actions. Despite its reputation as a pleasure chemical, dopamine also plays a crucial role in learning, cementing our behaviours and training us to continue performing them.

If the game remained this easy, however, we’d quickly tire of the jellybeans and gum drops, becoming bored after a couple of binge sessions. But Candy Crush keeps us coming back in several ways. As we play, the game gets harder, the wins (and those bursts of dopamine) becoming more intermittent.

Also, despite what you may think – and what the developers of the game claim – Candy Crush is essentially a game of luck, your success dependent on the array of colours you have randomly been given rather than your swiping skills. This means that the reward schedule becomes unexpected: we lose more often than we win and we never know when the next triumph will come. Rather than discouraging us from playing, this actually makes the game even more enticing than if we won easily.

This strategy is known as a variable ratio schedule of reinforcement and is the same tactic used in slot machines; you can never predict when you’re going to win, but you win just often enough to keep you coming back for more.
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This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
 
tacomancer said:
This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.



This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will.
What is your take?
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I'm not into gaming, I have better things to do with my time.

In general, I'm opposed to censorship, if you don't like something, nothing requires you to participate in it.




" The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
tacomancer said:
This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.



This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
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It is basic gaming theory. Another example of games that uses similar mechanisms are RPGs.
 
shrubnose said:
I'm not into gaming, I have better things to do with my time.

In general, I'm opposed to censorship, if you don't like something, nothing requires you to participate in it.




" The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
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That's where I strongly disagree. People can be strongly controlled by taking advantages in these weakness in brain function essentially resulting I'm the assertion of control, which imposes a level of the requirement you dismiss.
 
tacomancer said:
This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.



This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
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Banned, no. I don't think they're very good for you. I had Candy Crush on my old phone, but when it died I didn't put it on the new phone. I've stopped playing and I'm glad.
 
tacomancer said:
This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.

This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
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You've got to be kidding!! Allll these games are addictive. And they all operate the same way, starting with Pac-Man and Atari. Candy Crush is no different than any of the others.
 
No, it is censorship no matter how bad the game is.
 
MaggieD said:
You've got to be kidding!! Allll these games are addictive. And they all operate the same way, starting with Pac-Man and Atari. Candy Crush is no different than any of the others.
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In playing pacman I can turn off the console whenever I want to. I am not being exploited.

For the record though. Five minutes into candy crush, I noticed it was designed for weak willed people and lost interest in disgust almost immediately.

So its not a personal crusade out of harm or anything. I just don't like it when people are taken advantage of out of moral concern.
 
tacomancer said:
This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.



This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
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I agree that it may be to some degree unethical...but I'd say the larger issue is that it's more of an issue of how certain people are more susceptible to others to different kinds of addiction. For instance, I myself am addicted to games - I love games of almost all kinds...and since no one else around me plays games, I play a lot of computer games (see how many other 51 y.o. men have a positive KDR on Call of Duty!). I hate to admit that I have such an addiction...but on the other hand, it's a better addiction than alcohol or drugs...and a heck of a lot less expensive.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
I agree that it may be to some degree unethical...but I'd say the larger issue is that it's more of an issue of how certain people are more susceptible to others to different kinds of addiction. For instance, I myself am addicted to games - I love games of almost all kinds...and since no one else around me plays games, I play a lot of computer games (see how many other 51 y.o. men have a positive KDR on Call of Duty!). I hate to admit that I have such an addiction...but on the other hand, it's a better addiction than alcohol or drugs...and a heck of a lot less expensive.
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I don't addict that easily, except for sweets which I actively avoid but it never got to the point I was motivated to neglect myself or anything.
 
tacomancer said:
In playing pacman I can turn off the console whenever I want to. I am not being exploited.

For the record though. Five minutes into candy crush, I noticed it was designed for weak willed people and lost interest in disgust almost immediately.

So its not a personal crusade out of harm or anything. I just don't like it when people are taken advantage of out of moral concern.
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I play Candy Crush occasionally. I'm not weak-willed. It just doesn't happen to "ring your chimes."
 
tacomancer said:
That's where I strongly disagree.
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 People can be strongly controlled by taking advantages in these weakness in brain function essentially resulting I'm the assertion of control, which imposes a level of the requirement you dismiss.
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Disagree all that you want, believe whatever you want to believe, just don't expect me to ever hop on board your censorship train.
 
shrubnose said:
't expect me to hop on board


Disagree all that you want, believe whatever you want to believe, just don't expect me to ever hop on board your censorship train.
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Understood. However it is a debate site where people air their views on politics and society ....
 
tacomancer said:
Understood.
However it is a debate site where people air their views on politics and society ....[
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Maybe you need to read a few more of my posts. My position on censorship is pretty frickin' simple.

I'm totally opposed to censorship. Do you get that message?
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shrubnose said:
tacomancer said:
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Maybe you need to read a few more of my posts.

I'm totally opposed to censorship. Do you get that message?
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You still brought up points which gave room for counter point. If you dislike that, there are plenty of places where you can not have to move outside an echo chamber or have your views challenged.
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tacomancer said:
This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.

This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
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If it is so scientifically optimized , it must be a great trainer to develop a stronger free will.
 
joG said:
If it is so scientifically optimized , it must be a great trainer to develop a stronger free will.
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I am not sure what you mean. Can you please explain your reasoning!
 
tacomancer said:
This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.



This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
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A good game is a good game, I got addicted to a real-time strategy game, does that mean that that game should suddenly be banned? Should this company that worked so hard to develop it simply die because it's good?

Beer makes people feel good sometimes, and they come back for more due to addiction. Sex makes people feel good, and they come back for more due to addiction. Speeding in a car can make some people feel good, and they do it more due to addiction.

I simply cannot allow something like a video game be banned simply because it's fun (You simply wish not to admit that it's a fun game, and that's why it's addicting).
 
Never played it. I prefer Pinball Arcade...real machines, digitized.. (on every platform, plays well on tablets, but I like the PC version)

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tacomancer said:
I am not sure what you mean. Can you please explain your reasoning!
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If it is successfully conceived to keep you playing, it will strengthen you will and frustration tolerance better than a less well built game, when you force yourself to stop playing. Better training.
 
joG said:
If it is successfully conceived to keep you playing, it will strengthen you will and frustration tolerance better than a less well built game, when you force yourself to stop playing. Better training.
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That's not the way addiction (or free will) works. The neurochemicals become less stimulating over time, requiring higher doses, strongly influencing or overriding the pre-frontal cortex lessening our ability to make alternative decisions.
 
tacomancer said:
That's not the way addiction (or free will) works. The neurochemicals become less stimulating over time, requiring higher doses, strongly influencing or overriding the pre-frontal cortex lessening our ability to make alternative decisions.
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Bull****, what I hear is an excuse.

Who came up with that? The American Psychiatric association (those people are moronic)?
 
tacomancer said:
This is what Candy Crush Saga does to your brain | Dana Smith | Science | theguardian.com

Candy Crush is basically designed to exploit human neurochemical weaknesses.



This is the sort of mechanism which fuels gambling addiction. As science and psychology becomes more sophisticated, more problems with how the human brain processes information will be revealed, opening the door for more ways to exploit that weakness.

I personally view this as extremely unethical at best as it purposefully undermines free will. What is your take?
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We're gotten by interested parties whenever possible.
 
Luftwaffe said:
Bull****, what I hear is an excuse.

Who came up with that? The American Psychiatric association (those people are moronic)?
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Heh. Gotta hate it when science makes one face a reality they wish not to.
 
tacomancer said:
shrubnose said:
You still brought up points which gave room for counter point. If you dislike that, there are plenty of places where you can not have to move outside an echo chamber or have your views challenged.
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Push whatever idea that you want to push, just don't expect me to fall in line behind you, I don't play that game.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
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