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Whites Need Not Apply?[W:68]

Mutliple Choice - Check all statement you see as true:

  • A white person should not teach minority children.

    Votes: 2 3.3%
  • A person of a minority race cannot teach white children.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Race is not a factor on a person's competency to teach anything.

    Votes: 37 61.7%
  • Making the race of a teacher an issue is in itself racist.

    Votes: 18 30.0%
  • I have a completely different perspective and will explain.

    Votes: 3 5.0%

  • Total voters
    60
So here we are. Who agrees that a white man cannot teach cultural studies? And can a black man teach Latino and SoutheastAsian studies if a white man cannot teach black studies? Or has the world gone absolutely nuts?

Black community leaders in Fresno, Calif., are urging the Fresno Unified School District to re-evaluate the hiring of a white guy to​
teach three cultural studies courses at a brand-new middleschool that will overwhelmingly serve minority students.

Rutherford B. Gaston Middle School — named after the city’s first blackprincipal — will open in a few short weeks. It’s the first middle school in the immediate, poverty-ridden vicinity since 1979.

The protesters are unhappy because the school has chosen to hire Peter Beck, aperson with white skin, over other, unidentified candidates, The Fresno Bee reports.

Beck will teach African-American studies, Latino studies and Southeast Asian studies. . . .

. . .“We’re just saying what the community wants,” said Rev. Karen Crozier, oneof the activists. “We didn’t fight for a white male or female teacher to educate our babies.”

Crozier, who appears to be a professor at Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary, also suggested that a white person cannot teach minority children in this instance because of racism. . . .

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/29/black-leaders-in-fresno-oppose-white-cultural-studies-teacher/




Rest assured they can. They simply have to be a white woman with very specific traits. I had an openly Communist (or whatever she claimed to be) white female teacher for a university elective course on race.


-She has to be at least six feet tall without heels. Don't ask why. I don't know why.

-She has to be profusely good looking. We're talking every minority in the room can passively giver her a "Well she's no doubt spoiled and clueless, but I'd def tap that so I'll play along" pass

-She has to be naturally blonde. Don't ask me why. I don't know why. A dark haired white women is never getting away with teaching this class.

-She has to have straight hair. Curls will not do. I don't know why.

-She has to be emotional at all times. Objectivity plays no role in.. anything in this class. You will be given "Emotional reflection time slots" in every class whenever she has a particularly strong emotional lapse which is often

-She has to have long blonde hair. Again I don't know the reasons for this, but she does.
 
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So here we are. Who agrees that a white man cannot teach cultural studies? And can a black man teach Latino and SoutheastAsian studies if a white man cannot teach black studies? Or has the world gone absolutely nuts?

Black community leaders in Fresno, Calif., are urging the Fresno Unified School District to re-evaluate the hiring of a white guy to​
teach three cultural studies courses at a brand-new middleschool that will overwhelmingly serve minority students.

Rutherford B. Gaston Middle School — named after the city’s first blackprincipal — will open in a few short weeks. It’s the first middle school in the immediate, poverty-ridden vicinity since 1979.

The protesters are unhappy because the school has chosen to hire Peter Beck, aperson with white skin, over other, unidentified candidates, The Fresno Bee reports.

Beck will teach African-American studies, Latino studies and Southeast Asian studies. . . .

. . .“We’re just saying what the community wants,” said Rev. Karen Crozier, oneof the activists. “We didn’t fight for a white male or female teacher to educate our babies.”

Crozier, who appears to be a professor at Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary, also suggested that a white person cannot teach minority children in this instance because of racism. . . .

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/29/black-leaders-in-fresno-oppose-white-cultural-studies-teacher/



Its both of these options.

Race is not a factor on a person's competency to teach anything.

Making the race of a teacher an issue is in itself racist.
 
From personal experience, a RACIST is one who hates others or a cause or a religion JUST BECAUSE it isn't THEIRS. However, a RACIALIST is one who understands their own culture, heritage and race and wish to preserve it and they are also educated as to the actions, words and deeds of those others who are not like themselves, who wish to destroy, subvert, distort or otherwise brainwash their own people against their own race.
"Racism", "racist", "bigot", "hater", "Nazi" ad nauseum, is usually screeched out by the minorities or shabbat goyim at the white people who refuse to become part of the herd and choose to think for themselves.
Deal with it because all you who call me a racist are hypocritical haters yourselves. the truth and facts know no religion, race or culture: it merely IS due to Natures Laws.

Ooooh, look out! We got a badass over here!:ranton:
 
So here we are. Who agrees that a white man cannot teach cultural studies? And can a black man teach Latino and SoutheastAsian studies if a white man cannot teach black studies? Or has the world gone absolutely nuts?

Black community leaders in Fresno, Calif., are urging the Fresno Unified School District to re-evaluate the hiring of a white guy to​
teach three cultural studies courses at a brand-new middleschool that will overwhelmingly serve minority students.

Rutherford B. Gaston Middle School — named after the city’s first blackprincipal — will open in a few short weeks. It’s the first middle school in the immediate, poverty-ridden vicinity since 1979.

The protesters are unhappy because the school has chosen to hire Peter Beck, aperson with white skin, over other, unidentified candidates, The Fresno Bee reports.

Beck will teach African-American studies, Latino studies and Southeast Asian studies. . . .

. . .“We’re just saying what the community wants,” said Rev. Karen Crozier, oneof the activists. “We didn’t fight for a white male or female teacher to educate our babies.”

Crozier, who appears to be a professor at Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary, also suggested that a white person cannot teach minority children in this instance because of racism. . . .

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/29/black-leaders-in-fresno-oppose-white-cultural-studies-teacher/


I can understand why Black folks in this community would want to have a Black person teaching a cultural studies class. A Black teacher would likely be able to relate to the predominately Black student population than a White teacher in this particular field. However, I think the Black community would be doing themselves a dis-service by maintaining the notion that only a Black teacher can teach cultural studies to a minority student body. Anyone seen Freedom Writers, for example? Wasn't exactly the same thing, but it showed that a White (female) teacher could successfully teach a culturally diverse group of high school kids.
 
I guess technically it shouldn't matter, but at the same time I can't help but admit that I would find it strange if an Irish teacher was teaching African Studies. A Chinese teacher teaching European cultural studies. And a African teaching Asian cultural studies, it just seems off.

What comes inherent with a teacher who identifies with the race that the course focuses on is genuine experience of being that race. The knowledge will not be purely text based if an African is teaching African studies.

So you admit to your own cultural bias and that is valid. But it is on the face of it a little 'off' to project that onto others.

I as a white woman can be perfectly qualified to teach issues primarily affecting men just as a man can be perfectly qualified to teach women's studies. Maybe a man isn't able to speak from the same experience as a woman, but he can certainly also provide a different perspective that a female would not likely have. I have probably learned more 'cultural studies' from reading people like William Raspberry, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Steele, Starr Parker, et al, and what I mostly learned is how skewed and prejudicial is some of the teaching coming from the so-called civil rights leaders and advocates, and how badly some of those have distorted the black experience in America.

At the same time can a black man fully understand how difficult it can be for a white person to know the 'right thing to say' or relate to a racist black person or other minority group? And is a black person raised among racists and fully ingrained with a victim/oppressed point of view and militant attitudes capable of understanding that the person who treats all people and same and uses the same language to talk to everybody is truly non racist despite being politically incorrect?
 
So here we are. Who agrees that a white man cannot teach cultural studies? And can a black man teach Latino and SoutheastAsian studies if a white man cannot teach black studies? Or has the world gone absolutely nuts?

Black community leaders in Fresno, Calif., are urging the Fresno Unified School District to re-evaluate the hiring of a white guy to​
teach three cultural studies courses at a brand-new middleschool that will overwhelmingly serve minority students.

Rutherford B. Gaston Middle School — named after the city’s first blackprincipal — will open in a few short weeks. It’s the first middle school in the immediate, poverty-ridden vicinity since 1979.

The protesters are unhappy because the school has chosen to hire Peter Beck, aperson with white skin, over other, unidentified candidates, The Fresno Bee reports.

Beck will teach African-American studies, Latino studies and Southeast Asian studies. . . .

. . .“We’re just saying what the community wants,” said Rev. Karen Crozier, oneof the activists. “We didn’t fight for a white male or female teacher to educate our babies.”

Crozier, who appears to be a professor at Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary, also suggested that a white person cannot teach minority children in this instance because of racism. . . .

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/29/black-leaders-in-fresno-oppose-white-cultural-studies-teacher/


Go to any liberal arts education on the Eastern/Western seaboard and you'll find that most of the professors in the history/culture departments are white. This is one specific case in one place - not by any means a general situation or "institutional".
 
I can understand why Black folks in this community would want to have a Black person teaching a cultural studies class. A Black teacher would likely be able to relate to the predominately Black student population than a White teacher in this particular field. However, I think the Black community would be doing themselves a dis-service by maintaining the notion that only a Black teacher can teach cultural studies to a minority student body. Anyone seen Freedom Writers, for example? Wasn't exactly the same thing, but it showed that a White (female) teacher could successfully teach a culturally diverse group of high school kids.

But in this case, 'cultural studies' included black, Asian, and Middle Eastern studies. Now it seems to me, if we want to get really REALLY ridiculous with this, the white teacher is the logical choice as he/she would not likely have the same cultural bias in favor of one of those topics.
 
So you admit to your own cultural bias and that is valid. But it is on the face of it a little 'off' to project that onto others.

I as a white woman can be perfectly qualified to teach issues primarily affecting men just as a man can be perfectly qualified to teach women's studies. Maybe a man isn't able to speak from the same experience as a woman, but he can certainly also provide a different perspective that a female would not likely have. I have probably learned more 'cultural studies' from reading people like William Raspberry, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Shelby Steele, Starr Parker, et al, and what I mostly learned is how skewed and prejudicial is some of the teaching coming from the so-called civil rights leaders and advocates, and how badly some of those have distorted the black experience in America.

At the same time can a black man fully understand how difficult it can be for a white person to know the 'right thing to say' or relate to a racist black person or other minority group? And is a black person raised among racists and fully ingrained with a victim/oppressed point of view and militant attitudes capable of understanding that the person who treats all people and same and uses the same language to talk to everybody is truly non racist despite being politically incorrect?

I wouldn't call it cultural confirmation on my part necessarily, at least I feel that term is a bit too strong. I don't believe in discrimination of any kind, but at the same time African studies - me being a college student and seeing it first hand - are primarily comprised of African students. For the students who are black the study is not purely textual it is also sentimental, experienced, and it resonates within them because they are African. And I can then see why a African students would prefer to have a teacher who can share that intimate quality of the curriculum with them, because he/she too would also be experiencing the class in that way.

At the same time such a teacher may not have the purely objective lens that a white teacher could have on the subject. a teacher who does not have that sort of connection to the course will be able to approach from angles not necessarily capable by teachers who too tightly woven into the subject they are teaching.

So I see both sides. I understand the knee jerk reaction (about cultural studies that is, the nonsense about not allowing white teachers to teach general ed. to minorities is racist bull****) and I can also see the benefit of having a teacher of another race being able to teach such a course with objectivity. And this is not to say black teachers couldn't be objective, but you get the point.
 
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I can understand why Black folks in this community would want to have a Black person teaching a cultural studies class. A Black teacher would likely be able to relate to the predominately Black student population than a White teacher in this particular field. However, I think the Black community would be doing themselves a dis-service by maintaining the notion that only a Black teacher can teach cultural studies to a minority student body. Anyone seen Freedom Writers, for example? Wasn't exactly the same thing, but it showed that a White (female) teacher could successfully teach a culturally diverse group of high school kids.

Well, as I posted to OV, in the case cited in the OP, if we are going to say that race is a factor in a person's teaching credentials, then the white teacher is the logical one to not likely have a racial bias or show favoritism toward any of the three racial groups included in the course material.
 
I wouldn't call it cultural confirmation on my part necessarily, at least I feel that term is a bit too strong. I don't believe in discrimination of any kind, but at the same time African studies - me being a college student and seeing it first hand - are primarily comprised of African students. For the students who are black the study is not purely textual it is also sentimental, experienced, and it resonates within them because they are African. And I can then see why a African students would prefer to have a teacher who can share that intimate quality of the curriculum with them, because he/she too would also be experiencing the class in that way.

At the same time such a teacher may not have the purely objective lens that a white teacher could have on the subject. a teacher who does not have that sort of connection to the course will be able to approach from angles not necessarily capable by teachers who to tightly woven into the subject they are teaching.

So I see both sides. I understand the knee jerk reaction (about cultural studies that is, the nonsense about not allowing white teachers to teach general ed. to minorities is racist bull****) and I can also see the benefit of having a teacher of another race being able to teach such a course with objectivity. And this is not to say black teachers couldn't be objective, but you get the point.

Fair enough.
 
From personal experience, a RACIST is one who hates others or a cause or a religion JUST BECAUSE it isn't THEIRS. However, a RACIALIST is one who understands their own culture, heritage and race and wish to preserve it and they are also educated as to the actions, words and deeds of those others who are not like themselves, who wish to destroy, subvert, distort or otherwise brainwash their own people against their own race.
"Racism", "racist", "bigot", "hater", "Nazi" ad nauseum, is usually screeched out by the minorities or shabbat goyim at the white people who refuse to become part of the herd and choose to think for themselves.
Deal with it because all you who call me a racist are hypocritical haters yourselves. the truth and facts know no religion, race or culture: it merely IS due to Natures Laws.

i am not a racist | john cleese - YouTube
 
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Cut out the nonsense, and debate the OP.
 
Go to any liberal arts education on the Eastern/Western seaboard and you'll find that most of the professors in the history/culture departments are white. This is one specific case in one place - not by any means a general situation or "institutional".

I don't know. I got most of my formal education some decades ago but I had white, black, Hispanic, Asian, and Native American teachers/professors. On the Eastern seaboard you have a lot of states with very small minority populations. In the west that is much more racially diverse, I doubt that history or liberal arts departments go out of their way to hire white professors but maybe few minorities go into those fields. I know a great many of my kids' math and science professors were Asian, many who spoke English with such pronounced accents that at times it was a real problem for my kids.

But I do know that when we start measuring the quality of academics by counting people of color instead of via who is competent and knowledgeable to teach courses, we are screwed.
 
I don't know. I got most of my formal education some decades ago but I had white, black, Hispanic, Asian, and Native American teachers/professors. On the Eastern seaboard you have a lot of states with very small minority populations.

That's great, however:

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In general, 20% of your professors will be of another race and 80% will be white. I doubt those numbers were any different 20 years ("decades") ago when minority graduation rates were even lower. So no, this isn't by any means an institutional thing such as "Whites need not apply". It's one incident, in one school. Your attempt to try and paint it as some sort of institutionally based attack on whites is laughable. If anything, statistics for hiring closely reflect society as a whole and not a bias in either direction. It's a nice try at the old "poor whitey" shtick.
 
I know. I PMed Red A to ask him if he could fix it. Don't know if he's still around though. Can you fix it? Sorry about that everybody--I failed to check the multiple choice option before I hit the post button.

Sorry, once a poll is made it can't be altered.
 
I wouldn't call it cultural confirmation on my part necessarily, at least I feel that term is a bit too strong. I don't believe in discrimination of any kind, but at the same time African studies - me being a college student and seeing it first hand - are primarily comprised of African students. For the students who are black the study is not purely textual it is also sentimental, experienced, and it resonates within them because they are African. And I can then see why a African students would prefer to have a teacher who can share that intimate quality of the curriculum with them, because he/she too would also be experiencing the class in that way.

At the same time such a teacher may not have the purely objective lens that a white teacher could have on the subject. a teacher who does not have that sort of connection to the course will be able to approach from angles not necessarily capable by teachers who too tightly woven into the subject they are teaching.

So I see both sides. I understand the knee jerk reaction (about cultural studies that is, the nonsense about not allowing white teachers to teach general ed. to minorities is racist bull****) and I can also see the benefit of having a teacher of another race being able to teach such a course with objectivity. And this is not to say black teachers couldn't be objective, but you get the point.

Kudos on a well thought out, heart felt, honest, and intelligent post. :) You certainly provided a perspective I had not included, and if there is anything to quarrel with in it, you have really forced a body to do his/her homework to find a competent rebuttal.

I have to make a medical taxi run with a family member, but I shall return. Good discussion so far with most of you.
 
So here we are. Who agrees that a white man cannot teach cultural studies? And can a black man teach Latino and SoutheastAsian studies if a white man cannot teach black studies? Or has the world gone absolutely nuts?

Black community leaders in Fresno, Calif., are urging the Fresno Unified School District to re-evaluate the hiring of a white guy to​
teach three cultural studies courses at a brand-new middleschool that will overwhelmingly serve minority students.

Rutherford B. Gaston Middle School — named after the city’s first blackprincipal — will open in a few short weeks. It’s the first middle school in the immediate, poverty-ridden vicinity since 1979.

The protesters are unhappy because the school has chosen to hire Peter Beck, aperson with white skin, over other, unidentified candidates, The Fresno Bee reports.

Beck will teach African-American studies, Latino studies and Southeast Asian studies. . . .

. . .“We’re just saying what the community wants,” said Rev. Karen Crozier, oneof the activists. “We didn’t fight for a white male or female teacher to educate our babies.”

Crozier, who appears to be a professor at Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary, also suggested that a white person cannot teach minority children in this instance because of racism. . . .

http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/29/black-leaders-in-fresno-oppose-white-cultural-studies-teacher/

I'm kind of on a fence with this one. I can see the perspective that one who's lived it and studied it would likely be more qualified, and there is a reasonable history of white teachers not properly teaching minorities. On the other hand, this individual might be the exception to the rule. I might instead of demanding another teacher, be demanding a no-fault 120 day probationary period during which time he can be terminated without the usual union style recourse and must leave without incident. Of course, there are problems even within that solution.

This one isn't an easy one to cipher out. Both sides have valid povs.
 
I'm kind of on a fence with this one. I can see the perspective that one who's lived it and studied it would likely be more qualified, and there is a reasonable history of white teachers not properly teaching minorities. On the other hand, this individual might be the exception to the rule. I might instead of demanding another teacher, be demanding a no-fault 120 day probationary period during which time he can be terminated without the usual union style recourse and must leave without incident. Of course, there are problems even within that solution.

This one isn't an easy one to cipher out. Both sides have valid povs.

Well, not really. No matter what race of person they hire, they won't be "part of" at least 2 out of 3 of the cultural studies they're supposed to be teaching. Unless they should only limit it to hiring someone who is multiracial (Latin, Asian, and African -- but no white), in which case they probably didn't experience ANY of those cultures because the social experience of multiracial people is often very different. Or if we put 3 extra teachers on the pay role for only one class each, which seems like a phenomenal waste of money.

And even if they are the race being discussed in one of those classes, they're no guarantee they experienced the typical culture. I can tell you for damn sure the experience and social orientation of a black person who grew up in the suburbs of MN is in a different world from one who grew up in the inner city. So which black culture are we aiming at? And how is it somehow less of an issue if, say, a black person is teaching about Asian and Latin culture, than it is if a white person is teaching it? How does the black person know more about it? Or are we just presuming white people are the only race that's incapable of understanding social adversity? Tell that to some older women, or men who grew up in poor neighborhoods for that matter.

The entire premise of the objection is based on a bunch of stereotypes and hypocrisy. They aren't bothered by having a teacher who is a different race than the racial history they're teaching. If they were, they would want to hire a different race teacher for each class or give the job to someone who is partially each of those races (which is stupid and racist in itself, but beside the point).

Their real objection is simply to a white person. There's really no other explanation for it.
 
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