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Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

Do you think the Obama administration is anti Israel?

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Navy Pride said:
Looks lke the people who voted no are raging lefties like you...........Don't know Conservatives are not responding
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If the results of the poll on this thread mean anything I don't believe that we'll need to do this poll again for a long frickin' time.
 
shrubnose said:
If the results of the poll on this thread mean anything I don't believe that we'll need to do this poll again for a long frickin' time.
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But, but, but only lefties voted!
 
shrubnose said:
Looks like the lefties rule because the righties didn't show up to vote.
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There are differenct sorts of people on this left and right, though. The liberal portion of the left supports Istrael, while the dogmatic, illiberal part doesn't. On the right, various religious fundies only support Israel because they want the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, which involves its destruction.

Most people really don't have a freaking clue WHY they do or do not support Israel. THey just babble on with the buzz terms and talking points they find at websites. Anybody who thinks in terms of "I am (fill in the blank), therefore I do or do not support Israel are too dogmatic to have any credibility.

Isreal represents the manifestation of self-determination for a small minority that has been hounded and oppressed and denied a voice throughout its long history as a people. It is BY FAR the most liberal society in its region. One would think any liberal worth their salt would recognize the social dynamics at play here in regerds to majority vs. minority, as well as recognize the relative liberalism of the people, themselves, but to an increasing degree, they don't. If peole would actually evaluate the situation according to many long-standing liberal principles, they would reject this whole tendency to create a litmus tests where hating Israel is part and parcel of being on the left.
 
Gardener said:
There are differenct sorts of people on this left and right, though. The liberal portion of the left supports Istrael, while the dogmatic, illiberal part doesn't. On the right, various religious fundies only support Israel because they want the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, which involves its destruction.

Most people really don't have a freaking clue WHY they do or do not support Israel. THey just babble on with the buzz terms and talking points they find at websites. Anybody who thinks in terms of "I am (fill in the blank), therefore I do or do not support Israel are too dogmatic to have any credibility.

Isreal represents the manifestation of self-determination for a small minority that has been hounded and oppressed and denied a voice throughout its long history as a people. It is BY FAR the most liberal society in its region. One would think any liberal worth their salt would recognize the social dynamics at play here in regerds to majority vs. minority, as well as recognize the relative liberalism of the people, themselves, but to an increasing degree, they don't. If peole would actually evaluate the situation according to many long-standing liberal principles, they would reject this whole tendency to create a litmus tests where hating Israel is part and parcel of being on the left.
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I'm liberal. I support Israel for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is I would not want them as an enemy. They don't **** around.
 
Gardener said:
There are differenct sorts of people on this left and right, though. The liberal portion of the left supports Istrael, while the dogmatic, illiberal part doesn't. On the right, various religious fundies only support Israel because they want the fulfillment of biblical prophesy, which involves its destruction.

Most people really don't have a freaking clue WHY they do or do not support Israel. THey just babble on with the buzz terms and talking points they find at websites. Anybody who thinks in terms of "I am (fill in the blank), therefore I do or do not support Israel are too dogmatic to have any credibility.

Isreal represents the manifestation of self-determination for a small minority that has been hounded and oppressed and denied a voice throughout its long history as a people. It is BY FAR the most liberal society in its region. One would think any liberal worth their salt would recognize the social dynamics at play here in regerds to majority vs. minority, as well as recognize the relative liberalism of the people, themselves, but to an increasing degree, they don't. If peole would actually evaluate the situation according to many long-standing liberal principles, they would reject this whole tendency to create a litmus tests where hating Israel is part and parcel of being on the left.
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It requires a certain amount of dogmatic overabundance to blindly and without reservation support the actions of any country. Those who disagree with any action Israel might have taken are assumed by you to be anti-Israel.
 
radcen said:
I'm not sure he'd have a choice. Even if he were anti-Israel, the pro-Israel people in our country/government are very strong and I think that's a battle he'd lose if he were to try and cut off funding.

*IF*... key word: "if"... he is anti-Israel, I believe he wouldn't bother fighting this battle when he knows he wouldn't win. Too much political capital to lose.

Personally, I see nothing to suggest he's necessarily anti-Israel, but I don't think he's technically pro-Israel, either.
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No, he is not anti Israel, but he may be anti Netenyahu. I don't think they like each other on a personal basis, particularly right now..
 
Redress said:
It requires a certain amount of dogmatic overabundance to blindly and without reservation support the actions of any country. Those who disagree with any action Israel might have taken are assumed by you to be anti-Israel.
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When 100% of a person's comments on the subject vilify anything and everything Israel does and they flat out state that it is the worst country in the world, there is no assumption involved.

Even if they do happen to be so underhanded as to try to claim the reaction is to disagreement about "anything" Israel does.
 
I am sad to see some of my Conservative friends disagree with me on this issue........Obama goes around the world and praises the Muslim countries yet when the Prime Minister of Israel comes here for a state visit Obama shuns and ignores him......Kerry puts out a cease fire plan that gives the Arabs everything they want and the Israelis nothing....That is just 2 examples....It boggles the mind.
 
Navy Pride said:
I am sad to see some of my Conservative friends disagree with me on this issue........Obama goes around the world and praises the Muslim countries yet when the Prime Minister of Israel comes here for a state visit Obama shuns and ignores him......Kerry puts out a cease fire plan that gives the Arabs everything they want and the Israelis nothing....That is just 2 examples....It boggles the mind.
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I'd just mark that down to Obama thinking we can appease potential Muslim state enemies by doing these things.

I think he's wrong, probably, but then I think he's wrong about most things.
 
Navy Pride said:
I am sad to see some of my Conservative friends disagree with me on this issue........Obama goes around the world and praises the Muslim countries yet when the Prime Minister of Israel comes here for a state visit Obama shuns and ignores him......Kerry puts out a cease fire plan that gives the Arabs everything they want and the Israelis nothing....That is just 2 examples....It boggles the mind.
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What Muslim countries is Obama praising? Please be specific.

Juanita said:
No, he is not anti Israel, but he may be anti Netenyahu. I don't think they like each other on a personal basis, particularly right now..
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I think this is probably true.
 
The Mark said:
I'd just mark that down to Obama thinking we can appease potential Muslim state enemies by doing these things.

I think he's wrong, probably, but then I think he's wrong about most things.
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What about when he ignored and shunned the Prime Minister Israel......Is that what you do for a state head?you seemed to have missed that one
 
Navy Pride said:
What about when he ignored and shunned the Prime Minister Israel......Is that what you do for a state head?you seemed to have missed that one
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What? I just responded to that.
 
Kobie said:
What Muslim countries is Obama praising? Please be specific.



I think this is probably true.
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I don;t have time to educate you but he made a speech in a mid east country praising Islam and saying we were not a judo christian nation.
 
Navy Pride said:
I don;t have time to educate you but he made a speech in a mid east country praising Islam and saying we were not a judo christian nation.
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Maybe you could "educate me" if you got your facts right.

Obama to CBN News: We're no Longer Just a Christian Nation - Politics - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

"I think that the right might worry a bit more about the dangers of sectarianism. Whatever we once were, we're no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers. We should acknowledge this and realize that when we're formulating policies from the state house to the Senate floor to the White House, we've got to work to translate our reasoning into values that are accessible to every one of our citizens, not just members of our own faith community."
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Joint Press Availability With President Obama And President Gul Of Turkey | The White House

I think that where -- where there's the most promise of building stronger U.S.-Turkish relations is in the recognition that Turkey and the United States can build a model partnership in which a predominantly Christian nation and a predominantly Muslim nation, a Western nation and a nation that straddles two continents -- that we can create a modern international community that is respectful, that is secure, that is prosperous; that there are not tensions, inevitable tensions, between cultures, which I think is extraordinarily important.
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The first link is from 2006, the second is from 2009. The first was answering questions from Christian Broadcasting Network; the second was from a joint press conference in Turkey. In neither of these speeches did he "praise Islam." Now, he has said complimentary things about Islam in the past -- none of which are particularly inaccurate; the problem is radical Islam, which he has never praised.
 
There's a difference between educating someone and showing the link with Obama in a mideast country praising Islam.
And saying we're not a judo christian nation.
All posters on this forum would expect a link for this quote .
Navy Pride said:
I don;t have time to educate you but he made a speech in a mid east country praising Islam and saying we were not a judo christian nation.
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Navy Pride said:
I don;t have time to educate you but he made a speech in a mid east country praising Islam and saying we were not a judo christian nation.
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Do you ever realize that you are almost always constantly wrong? You think you would realize that when you get your news from right-wing radio propogandists....you don't really get the truth...but you are either too stubborn to realize that or too old to change.
 
Navy Pride said:
I am sad to see some of my Conservative friends disagree with me on this issue........Obama goes around the world and praises the Muslim countries yet when the Prime Minister of Israel comes here for a state visit Obama shuns and ignores him......Kerry puts out a cease fire plan that gives the Arabs everything they want and the Israelis nothing....That is just 2 examples..
..It boggles the mind.
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What boggles my mind is how ever since Barack Obama moved into the White House in 2009 some people on the right use every chance that they can find to try to disparage him.

They are wasting their time and their breath, Obama will be in the White House until another Democrat replaces him in 2017.
 
shrubnose said:
What boggles my mind is how ever since Barack Obama moved into the White House in 2009 some people on the right use every chance that they can find to try to disparage him.

They are wasting their time and their breath, Obama will be in the White House until another Democrat replaces him in 2017.
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Its amazing to me after all of Obama's screw up and his attitudee about the presidency that you lefties still drink the kool aid.........
 
I voted no. I think they're just so incompetent where it cones to foreign affairs they sometimes appear that way though. Weakest foreign policy POTUS we've had in my lifetime.

Hillary may be a huge crook, but she wouldn't have much problem with all that Obama just faceplants over.
 
Navy Pride said:
Its amazing to me after all of Obama's screw up and his attitudee about the presidency that you lefties still drink the kool aid.........
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It's amazing to me that people like you don't accept your defeat and move on.

Some people will always be living in the past, fighting the war that they lost. :roll:
 
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