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economic freedom

What is economic freedom?


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In other words, you couldn't do it. You could not come up with even a single example to disprove what I pointed out to you...

...and instead of having the intestinal fortitude to admit it, you post a picture. Winning the argument is more important to you than being accurate, than being right.

You can go ahead and have the last word in this discussion. I won't reply.
 
In other words, you couldn't do it. You could not come up with even a single example to disprove what I pointed out to you...

...and instead of having the intestinal fortitude to admit it, you post a picture. Winning the argument is more important to you than being accurate, than being right.

You can go ahead and have the last word in this discussion. I won't reply.
You know perfectly well that I never said there were developed nations that did not depend on tax revenue in order to function.
 
Well maybee you can question the classic belief that economic freedom is the same as low taxes, small goverment and little regulation.

First look at social mobility. That it's in countries with higher taxes, more regulation and bigger goverment their people have the biggest possibilities to succed on their own merits.

Howard Steven Friedman: The American Myth of Social Mobility

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/u...ise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


One intersting thing also is that then the conservative think tank do their list of economic freedom, countries with higher taxes, more goverment and more regulation is doing farily well. Having rougly the same or even more economic freedom then USA.

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Also the top ten list of the worlds most innovative and competive countries includes countries with higher taxes, more goverment and more regulation.

The World

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/05/30/the-worlds-most-competitive-countries/
 
Well maybee you can question the classic belief that economic freedom is the same as low taxes, small goverment and little regulation.

First look at social mobility. That it's in countries with higher taxes, more regulation and bigger goverment their people have the biggest possibilities to succed on their own merits.

Howard Steven Friedman: The American Myth of Social Mobility

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/u...ise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


One intersting thing also is that then the conservative think tank do their list of economic freedom, countries with higher taxes, more goverment and more regulation is doing farily well. Having rougly the same or even more economic freedom then USA.

Country Rankings: World & Global Economy Rankings on Economic Freedom

Also the top ten list of the worlds most innovative and competive countries includes countries with higher taxes, more goverment and more regulation.

The World

The World's Most Competitive Countries - Forbes
The way I see it, economic freedom is when you have the freedom to go out and earn money, while other people believe that economic freedom is simply having money. It's kinda like the Declaration of Independence where it mentions the pursuit of happiness, rather than just happiness.
 
How do you define it?

Economic and social rights entail the people entitling themselves to outcomes, even if this requires mandating others do the work and incur the cost to furnish them. These are sometimes called "positive rights."

Political rights entail entitling oneself to protection by governmental systems from others seeking to threaten, steal, kill, enslave or otherwise harm oneself. These by contrast are often called "negative rights."

Therefore the idea of "economic freedom" means "I get to have whatever I want and need without having to trade to acquire it."
 
The way I see it, economic freedom is when you have the freedom to go out and earn money, while other people believe that economic freedom is simply having money. It's kinda like the Declaration of Independence where it mentions the pursuit of happiness, rather than just happiness.

That it can be better to pay more in taxes so everything child has agood start in life so that they can achieve their place in society on their own meritsinstead of being depent on being lucky and get the right parents.​
Also if you pay taxes for good healthcare and education today forchildren, they can pay taxes for good healtchare and nursing homes for you then you get old.​
 
How do you define it?

For me economic freedom is freedom from worry that money will run short between paychecks.

Ultimately, that's what really matters. Having enough to eat, having reasonable shelter, etc. If you cannot have that, then the idea of freedom is a useless theory.
 
That it can be better to pay more in taxes so everything child has agood start in life so that they can achieve their place in society on their own meritsinstead of being depent on being lucky and get the right parents.​
Also if you pay taxes for good healthcare and education today forchildren, they can pay taxes for good healtchare and nursing homes for you then you get old.​
This thread isn't about the outcomes of policies.
 
For me economic freedom is freedom from worry that money will run short between paychecks.

Ultimately, that's what really matters. Having enough to eat, having reasonable shelter, etc. If you cannot have that, then the idea of freedom is a useless theory.
Would you say that freedom is being happy, rather than being allowed to pursue happiness?
 
It's neither.

Economic freedom is the right to distribute and consume without impinging on others or being impinged upon.
 
Would you say that freedom is being happy, rather than being allowed to pursue happiness?
I would say that freedom to pursue happiness is pretty much useless if there is no practical way to pursue it.
 
I hope you realize that your definition is the new one?
I amended my statement when I realized that I misread your question on the first read (making dinner, half paying attention)

Freedom is good but its only input among many in life and its value is relative to those other inputs in achieving what one wants to achieve.
 
I amended my statement when I realized that I misread your question on the first read (making dinner, half paying attention)

Freedom is good but its only input among many in life and its value is relative to those other inputs in achieving what one wants to achieve.
For the vast majority of Americans, freedom is a goal, as well as a means to achieve other goals. For many people, it's the main goal.
 
For the vast majority of Americans, freedom is a goal, as well as a means to achieve other goals.
I agree that many Americans feel this way
 
What about you? Do you see it as a goal in itself, a way of achieving goals, both, or neither?
Freedom is a useful tool in achieving my goals, but so is money, influence, friends, and any other resource I can call on
 
but not a goal in itself?
Not in any pure sense, no

I just want to do what I want to do and any activity has requirements
 
I respect your honesty.
Its just how I see things. Freedom is extremely useful though, don't get me wrong
 
This thread isn't about the outcomes of policies.

Their are diffrent definition of economic freedom. Some can see it as the right to make economic direction and actions some can see it's the ability to make economic direction and actions.

For example a country with bad public school and expensive and good private school and also good but costly university, children have so diffrent ability to pursue a academic career and archieve their place in the market economy. This based on a factor they can't control the parents they are borned with,

That taxes can therefor been seen as not taking away peoples freedom but being a away for insuring peoples freedom.

Also this doesn't mean that you reject the market economy but instead just realise it's not perfect and that other form of human interactions is also needed.





 
How do you define it?

I'm not real crazy about your choices. The government owns a lot of things... does that mean there's a lot of economic freedom because of it? Plantation-holders owned slaves. Was that a sign of economic freedom, as well?
 
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