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'People punching' guns[W:249]

Should 'people punching' weapons be kept by civilians who want them?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 73.9%

  • No

    Votes: 5 21.7%

  • Not sure/it depends

    Votes: 1 4.3%
  • Total voters
    23
mpg said:
What you're saying now is different from when you said "I don't mean I think those quotes aren't real (never even crossed my mind) I just don't think they prove the original intent behind the 2A".
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Yes it is, I just didn't explain myself very well. Take it from me, since I was the author, that was what I was trying to say.
 
Henrin said:
I think it's nonsense to allow gun control idiots to ban newer weaponry. :shrug:
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Of course it is. For a militia to be viable, it must use modern tech. We have a right to defend ourselves with standard infantry issue arms of the current time.
 
ecofarm said:
Of course it is. For a militia to be viable, it must use modern tech. We have a right to defend ourselves with standard infantry issue arms of the current time.
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That tank coming to kill you doesn't give a **** about your pee shooter nor does that bomb care that you're on the ground running around with guns. You're still very much dead.
 
Henrin said:
That tank coming to kill you doesn't give a **** about your pee shooter nor does that bomb care that you're on the ground running around with guns. You're still very much dead.
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I've the right to die shooting.
 
ecofarm said:
I've the right to die shooting.
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In the stupidest way imaginable. Have fun standing up to that cannon with your gun. It should be fun to watch at least.
 
Henrin said:
In the stupidest way imaginable. Have fun standing up to that cannon with your gun. It should be fun to watch at least.
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Ain't skeered.
 
ecofarm said:
Ain't skeered.
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There is bravery and then there is just retardation. Like for example, showing up to face down a tank with a gun.
 
Henrin said:
There is bravery and then there is just retardation, like for example, showing up to face down a tank with a gun.
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Meh, tanks aren't so tough.
 
ecofarm said:
Meh, tanks aren't so tough.
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They're tough enough to take on your pee shooter.

People that make your argument are essentially making the argument that the government should have jets, bombs, drones, tanks, etc, while the people should have things like pistols, shotguns and rifles. Guess who wins? Guess who just showed up to a gun fight with a sword? It isn't the government.
 
Henrin said:
They're tough enough to take on your pee shooter.
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I doubt it. My 'pee' shooter is capable of defeating any number of tanks.

People that make your argument are essentially making the argument that the government should have jets, bombs, drones, tanks, etc, while the people should have things like pistols, shotguns and rifles. Guess who wins? Guess who just showed up to a gun fight with a sword? It isn't the government.
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Sorry, dude, no nukes for you. Some weapons are tools of the state and do not belong in the hands of private individuals. The founders knew this and thus specified "A... militia" not "a private army and navy".
 
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DifferentDrummr said:
That would depend on the number of rounds it could shoot without reloading.
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Most handguns store 5-10 with the upper limit being 16 in a factory mag. A few kinds of handguns can store 30 in a factory mag, and its a jump from 16 right to 30, I don't know of any handgun that stores 20something rounds.
 
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ecofarm said:
I doubt it. My 'pee' shooter is capable of defeating any number of tanks.
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:lamo Whatever you say there, Ecofarm.

Sorry, dude, no nukes for you. Some weapons are tools of the state and do not belong in the hands of private individuals. The founders knew this and thus specified "A... militia" not "a private army and navy".
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Because the state is more trustworthy than the people? That position makes literally no sense.
 
Henrin said:
Because the state is more trustworthy than the people? That position makes literally no sense.
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The state is made up of many individuals, with many perspectives and is bound by constitutional law. That system is a much more reliable use of such weaponry than an individual's whim.
 
ecofarm said:
The state is made up of many individuals, with many perspectives and is bound by constitutional law. That system is a much more reliable use of such weaponry than an individual's whim.
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That argument couldn't be expanded to just about anything. Nope.
 
Henrin said:
That argument couldn't be expanded to just about anything. Nope.
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That's because it's the social contract, in this case regarding the private ownership of weapons. One also cannot incarcerate people, negotiate treaties and other such endeavors that are best left to the decision of many under a legal system.
 
ecofarm said:
That's because it's the social contract, in this case regarding the private ownership of weapons. One also cannot incarcerate people, negotiate treaties and other such endeavors that are best left to the decision of many under a legal system.
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So it's another one of those contracts I never agreed to? So what you're saying is it doesn't apply to me. Good to know.
 
ecofarm said:
You should edit wiki: Social contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"This is crap, not real and does not apply to me". Enter that under 'critical theories/sociopathy'.
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It is. It's the last section called Voluntarism or otherwise known as your coercion is bull**** and I reject it, or the "stop forcing me into contracts and then saying your actions are just" section.
 
Henrin said:
It is. It's the last section called Voluntarism or otherwise known as your coercion is bull**** and I reject it, or the "stop forcing me into contracts and then saying your actions are just" section.
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You are free to leave and seek a social contract elsewhere. You are also free to dream about utopia and cry victim because absolute does not exist.

While you needn't accept the US social contract, you must, obviously, accept a social contract somewhere. One cannot "opt out", though the idea of doing so, or claiming to have done so, is funny in a naivety sort of way.

I believe the traditional response is 'bless your heart'.
 
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ecofarm said:
You are free to leave and seek a social contract elsewhere. You are also free to dream about utopia and cry victim because absolute does not exist.

While you needn't accept the US social contract, you must, obviously, accept a social contract somewhere. One cannot "opt out", though the idea of doing so, or claiming to have done so, is funny in an naivety sort of way.

I believe the traditional response is 'bless your heart'.
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No, the truth is I don't have to accept anything ever. All you can ever do is throw around you weight at me, but you can never make me accept your coercion. Sorry, but I control my mind, not you.

Saying that I'm party to a contract that doesn't even exist is stupid as hell. How could I ever agree to a contract that doesn't even exist?
 
Henrin said:
No, the truth is I don't have to accept anything ever. All you can ever do is throw around you weight at me, but you can never make me accept your coercion. Sorry, but I control my mind, not you.
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Your mind means nothing without others. Without others, it would be virtually empty.
 
ecofarm said:
Your mind means nothing without others. Without others, it would be virtually empty.
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Without others I wouldn't have been born. What's your point?
 
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