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Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

The NRA mandatory school shooting plan? Good idea or not a good idea?

  • yes, no passing shooting grade and the child may not advance to the next grade

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • no, shooting lessons I totally support but it should not determine passing to the next grade

    Votes: 18 45.0%
  • the NRA has completely/partly lost the plot

    Votes: 4 10.0%
  • the NRA should get the Nobel peace prize for this idea

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • No, I am going to teach my kid myself how to shoot

    Votes: 4 10.0%
  • No, shooting lessons have no place at schools

    Votes: 16 40.0%
  • teaching potential young gangbangers better schooting skills is not a good idea

    Votes: 4 10.0%
  • I have no kids

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • I do not care one way or another

    Votes: 1 2.5%
  • other ........... (please explain

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • Total voters
    40
we get it, are you are afraid of guns. Do you think that having more children afraid of guns will make it easier on those who terrified of weapons?

Disliking guns is not about fearing guns but about disliking guns and the death and destruction they spread.
 
we get it, are you are afraid of guns. Do you think that having more children afraid of guns will make it easier on those who terrified of weapons?

Disliking guns is not about fearing guns but about disliking guns and the death and destruction they spread.
 
This is worse than a bad idea. This is an insult to civilization. We shouldn't be teaching children to kill.
Of course we should teach children to kill. Home burglers, rapists & street thugs all diserve to die.
 
And even if you're vehemently against evolution, your kid still needs to pass a test on it.

Becoming 1st-Aid/CPR certified should also be a requirement. A comprehencive sex-ed course also.

Guns are a part of Ameeican reality, safe handeling should be a no-brainer.

Guns may be part of American reality, that does not mean every child has to be introduced to firing them. Teaching them about gun safety could be useful but marksmanship and actually firing them are not needed to discuss/teach gun safety.
 
I dont understand why teaching kids the sport of shooting and gun safety is any different than other sports? I was taught archery in school. Some teach martial arts.

It's certainly no more unsafe that driving. And my school taught that too.

Why are the shooting sports being demonized?
 
Disliking guns is not about fearing guns but about disliking guns and the death and destruction they spread.

Cars spread alot more death and destruction. We just perceive them differently.
 
So the question is, how desirable is it to have mandatory gun lessons at school in order to advance to the next grade?

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When I was growing up during the 50's and 60's in the suburbs of L.A., Ca. NRA gun safety courses at schools was the norm. Many schools had rifle shooting teams. By the time someone entered high school they knew how to safely handle a firearm and had enough exposure to firearms that they were no longer fascinated with guns and moved on to a new interest, girls.

Back during those days before political correctness you rarely heard of accidental shootings and there was no drive bys and when you had a beef with someone you fistacuffed, you didn't use a gun.
 
Guns may be part of American reality, that does not mean every child has to be introduced to firing them. Teaching them about gun safety could be useful but marksmanship and actually firing them are not needed to discuss/teach gun safety.
I didn't see anyone offer a curriculum, so I assume such a class would be similar to what you would need for a carry permit, and in most states that would not include marksmanship training.

Learning how to handle a firearm includes fireing it, not necesseraly the ability to hit what you're aiming at. NYC cops hit everything but what they aim at yet we let them carry.
 
Cars spread alot more death and destruction. We just perceive them differently.

Yes, but they are not meant to be fired and cause damage/death. It is the unwise choices of people or accidents that cause death and destruction.

Guns are meant to be fired at something and people may or may not want to fire guns. The same goes for using cars. Difference is that you need to pass tests to use cars in order to limit the risk of death and destruction. But that is only applicable for people who want to use cars. The same should be for weapons. If you want to own and fire one you need to get a course in safe use and firing but for people who do not own guns or do not want to own guns that is not needed.
 
When I was growing up during the 50's and 60's in the suburbs of L.A., Ca. NRA gun safety courses at schools was the norm. Many schools had rifle shooting teams. By the time someone entered high school they knew how to safely handle a firearm and had enough exposure to firearms that they were no longer fascinated with guns and moved on to a new interest, girls.

Back during those days before political correctness you rarely heard of accidental shootings and there was no drive bys and when you had a beef with someone you fistacuffed, you didn't use a gun.

I would assume that gun ownership in that time was much more prevalent in the USA, even though the number of guns and the caliber of guns used would have been much lower.

And in that time people would not think about using guns even though their parents might own a gun, children in that time listened to their parents a lot better. There is a multitude of reasons youths these days think using firearms in fights is OK, but it has nothing to do with political correctness or kids not being taught to shoot at schools.

And I am not saying that kids should not learn gun safety, I just do not think that schools are the appropriate place for it as part of the school curriculum or that the shooting itself may take place at the schools. I think that would best be done as an extra curricular activity off campus and not on school property.
 
I didn't see anyone offer a curriculum, so I assume such a class would be similar to what you would need for a carry permit, and in most states that would not include marksmanship training.

Learning how to handle a firearm includes fireing it, not necesseraly the ability to hit what you're aiming at. NYC cops hit everything but what they aim at yet we let them carry.

Well, if NYC police cannot hit what they are shooting at means that they are not being trained properly at shooting firearms.

And as said, teaching kids about gun safety without teaching them to shoot is not a problem, that would be a wise use of for example first aid/health care lessons.
 
Well, if NYC police cannot hit what they are shooting at means that they are not being trained properly at shooting firearms.
It actualy has to do with the "New-York trigger", not marksmanship skill. A gun class which included firing the gun would teach you about how heavy trigger pulls affected your ability to hit what you're aiming at.

And as said, teaching kids about gun safety without teaching them to shoot is not a problem, that would be a wise use of for example first aid/health care lessons.
In first-aid we actualy performed CPR on dummies. In Combat-Lifesaver we actualy gave eachother nose-tubes and IVs. Likewise gun training should involve shooting at a target.
 
we get it, are you are afraid of guns. Do you think that having more children afraid of guns will make it easier on those who terrified of weapons?

I suppose this approach to cowardice is similar to the standard wrong-wing to most personal deficiencies—seek to achieve “equality” by dragging others down to your own level rather than by trying to overcome your deficiency and rise to the level of those others with whom you'd like to be “equal”.

It probably seems easier to any coward to try to get others to have the same fear, than to overcome his own fear.
 
It actualy has to do with the "New-York trigger", not marksmanship skill. A gun class which included firing the gun would teach you about how heavy trigger pulls affected your ability to hit what you're aiming at.

which would go against my opinion about firing a gun at school. Pulling on the trigger to feel how much power is needed to fire off a gun does not need live rounds IMHO. If children's parents want to teach their kids to fire guns they should do this as a gun club/school but not in regular school.

Children get suspended for play acting gun fire, how would you ever stop that kind of behavior if they are going to be firing actual guns at school?

Teaching children to stay away from guns, teaching children how to pick up guns safely and showing what a fired bullet does to flesh or sound like is one things, firing it is a whole different kinda thing which I think does not belong on schools.

In first-aid we actualy performed CPR on dummies. In Combat-Lifesaver we actualy gave eachother nose-tubes and IVs. Likewise gun training should involve shooting at a target.

That is your opinion but purely training gun safety issues does not involve shooting said gun. If parents want to subject their children to that or want to teach their children about that, then I would say there is an ample amount of places one can do this safely and legally in the US.

Teaching children first aid is to save lives, teaching kids to not pick up guns, aim guns at other children, train them to pick up guns safely etc. etc. is to save lives but shooting guns is not something that ought to be taught at schools.

I think children should not be owning or firing guns at all, but that is purely my opinion. To buy alcohol they have to wait until age 21, to drive they have to wait until they are 16, to join the armed forces you have to be 17 (with parental consent) and 18 without parental consent but guns is not that regulated. Sure, owning or buying a handgun for most under 18 year old youths is illegal but long guns and other non handguns in a private sale under the age of 18 is allowed (or should I say there is no federal law that forbids that) neither is shooting long guns illegal under age 18 (younger children can join their parents in a hunt).

But again, above is just my opinion, not what I say has to happen in schools in the USA, it is just purely my opinion, nothing more and nothing less.

It is not meant to offend or insult, it is just a gun critical opinion which some people in the US must also agree with even though it is mostly the voice of the NRA that can be heard (especially in elections) when it comes to guns.
 
which would go against my opinion about firing a gun at school. Pulling on the trigger to feel how much power is needed to fire off a gun does not need live rounds IMHO.
In order to experience the heavy trigger pull throwing your shot off, you would have to shoot.

If children's parents want to teach their kids to fire guns they should do this as a gun club/school but not in regular school.
The shooting itself would be don at a range, not the school.

Children get suspended for play acting gun fire, how would you ever stop that kind of behavior if they are going to be firing actual guns at school?
he faculty members who took action against children play-acting gun fire with toys or pop-tarts would be terminated from their job.

Teaching children to stay away from guns, teaching children how to pick up guns safely and showing what a fired bullet does to flesh or sound like is one things, firing it is a whole different kinda thing which I think does not belong on schools.
Firing is a core componant of proper gun handeling. You need to experience exactly what the gun will do if you pull the trigger. The only way to get that experience is to hold a loaded gun and pull the trigger.


That is your opinion but purely training gun safety issues does not involve shooting said gun. If parents want to subject their children to that or want to teach their children about that, then I would say there is an ample amount of places one can do this safely and legally in the US.
And such a place is in a manditory gun class. No parents or pricy gun club memberships required. They get one day in the classroom and one fieldtrip to the range and the requierment is filled.

Teaching children first aid is to save lives, teaching kids to not pick up guns, aim guns at other children, train them to pick up guns safely etc. etc. is to save lives but shooting guns is not something that ought to be taught at schools.
Letting the child experience a real gun firing in their hand is the absolute best way to get it across that it's real, not a video game. Letting a child blast apart a watermellon is the abolute best way to get across what will happen to their friend if they play with a gun.

I think children should not be owning or firing guns at all, but that is purely my opinion. To buy alcohol they have to wait until age 21, to drive they have to wait until they are 16, to join the armed forces you have to be 17 (with parental consent) and 18 without parental consent but guns is not that regulated. Sure, owning or buying a handgun for most under 18 year old youths is illegal but long guns and other non handguns in a private sale under the age of 18 is allowed (or should I say there is no federal law that forbids that) neither is shooting long guns illegal under age 18 (younger children can join their parents in a hunt).
This is about saftey, not owning and carrying a gun.

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You haven't substanchiated or articulated why you object to children firing a gun, so really there's nothing to debate.
 
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Then they can have an NRA course do that. Schools should promote learning and wisdom, not shooting.

It can be part of physical education.
 
In order to experience the heavy trigger pull throwing your shot off, you would have to shoot.

there does not have to be a round in the chamber, pulling the trigger does not have to be followed by a shot

The shooting itself would be don at a range, not the school.

If they are going to shoot off campus then why does the school have to be involved at all.

The faculty members who took action against children play-acting gun fire with toys or pop-tarts would be terminated from their job.

well, that is your opinion. They were just following the school rules. Nothing criminal or illegal about that one.

Firing is a core componant of proper gun handeling. You need to experience exactly what the gun will do if you pull the trigger. The only way to get that experience is to hold a loaded gun and pull the trigger.

No, that is your opinion. Firing a gun is not needed to warn children about not accidentally shooting a gun. Again, if parents want their children to learn how to shoot they can do it on their own time.

And such a place is in a manditory gun class. No parents or pricy gun club memberships required. They get one day in the classroom and one fieldtrip to the range and the requierment is filled.

Such a place should not be mandatory gun class because there is no reason to have one. Schools are not there to promote firing of guns.

Letting the child experience a real gun firing in their hand is the absolute best way to get it across that it's real, not a video game. Letting a child blast apart a watermellon is the abolute best way to get across what will happen to their friend if they play with a gun.

And they can do this without having the school involved. If a parents wants their children to shoot guns they can decide this for themselves.

This is about saftey, not owning and carrying a gun.

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You haven't substanchiated or articulated why you object to children firing a gun, so really there's nothing to debate.[/QUOTE]

No, this is about the right to bear arms, not the duty for schools to provide mandatory gun lessons.

The right to bear arms is down to personal opinions of parents and if they refuse to let guns into their house because they are against guns or do not want their children to be exposed to guns than it is not the duty of the state, the school or the NRA to force parents to allow their children to handle/fire guns.
 
It can be part of physical education.

But not a school education. There it has to be about learning from a generally accepted/mandatory curriculum. Extra curricular activities as gun shooting is for the parents themselves to organize or choose.
 
I disagree, it is not integral to the American because a majority of Americans do not own guns. There might be hundreds of millions of guns, but that does not mean that the schools have to be the official promotional tool of the NRA.

If parents want their children to learn gun safety/basic marksmanship they can do this outside of schools. The NRA has options for that outside of schools.

Also, having guns and ammunition at schools is not a good thing. They can be stolen, used for violence at schools. Having loads of guns in the vicinity of bullied children, children with mental issues, hormonal issues and criminal issues is not a good thing IMHO.

Yes bring out your bias, as I said your poll and this thread are biased. Let's get your real feelings out on the table. And an foreigner trying to dictate what goes on in another country.....that's astounding.
 
there does not have to be a round in the chamber, pulling the trigger does not have to be followed by a shot
Yes, it does.

If they are going to shoot off campus then why does the school have to be involved at all.
The school is the entity conducting the class. When I took driver's ed that occured off school grounds also (kinda hard to drive at freeway speeds in the parkinglot ;P ). The school was still involved because it was a school class.

Firing a gun is not needed to warn children about not accidentally shooting a gun.
To *warn*, sure, but we're not talking about merly *warning* children. We're talking about *educating* them, and that requires shots fired.

Again, if parents want their children to learn how to shoot they can do it on their own time.
And the school can hold a class. Both can exist.

Such a place should not be mandatory gun class because there is no reason to have one. Schools are not there to promote firing of guns.
The school would be promoting saftey, not guns. You and your kids can hate guns all you want and still one day find yourself in a situation where you need to know how to handle one. Better to have the knowledge and not need it than to need the knowledge and not have it.

And they can do this without having the school involved. If a parents wants their children to shoot guns they can decide this for themselves.
Sure but this thread is about having the school involved.
No, this is about the right to bear arms, .....
No, this is not about the right to bear arms at all. This is about the presence of guns being a reality in America and that children diserve to have saftey education regarding it.
 
Yes bring out your bias, as I said your poll and this thread are biased. Let's get your real feelings out on the table. And an foreigner trying to dictate what goes on in another country.....that's astounding.

Yes, because Conservatives never have biased polls or threads.

Being critical of guns is a bias I am proud of. What you are stating in this tread is totally biased too, namely your opinion/bias. You can complain about my bias but as this is my thread, my poll (which I think is a fair poll, it is not like some polls where you have no reasonable answer to give or is a yes/no poll and ignores the other options), but stating your opinion is not against the rules last time I checked. Nor is it against the rules to show to some degree ones bias in the OP or in the thread.

You have the right to fill in the poll options showing your bias and you can post your biased opinions here too.
 
But not a school education. There it has to be about learning from a generally accepted/mandatory curriculum. Extra curricular activities as gun shooting is for the parents themselves to organize or choose.
People said the same thing about sex-ed. Thing is, not every parent teaches their child about guns just as many parents avoid ever adressing birth control. Therefore the school needs to pick up a basic gun saftey coarse to do what many parents won't.
 
Yes, because Conservatives never have biased polls or threads.

Being critical of guns is a bias I am proud of. What you are stating in this tread is totally biased too, namely your opinion/bias. You can complain about my bias but as this is my thread, my poll (which I think is a fair poll, it is not like some polls where you have no reasonable answer to give or is a yes/no poll and ignores the other options), but stating your opinion is not against the rules last time I checked. Nor is it against the rules to show to some degree ones bias in the OP or in the thread.

You have the right to fill in the poll options showing your bias and you can post your biased opinions here too.

You tried to deny the bias, when I pointed it out. I've never stated that I have no bias.
 
No, shooting classes should be mandatory. However I do think it would be a good idea to make a class that taught how to handle guns SAFELY should be mandatory. Don't need to use real guns if an object is actually needed for such. Could be a toy gun (in fact I'd prefer it). This could help prevent many accidental shootings that happen.
 
Yes, because Conservatives never have biased polls or threads.

Being critical of guns is a bias I am proud of. What you are stating in this tread is totally biased too, namely your opinion/bias. You can complain about my bias but as this is my thread, my poll (which I think is a fair poll, it is not like some polls where you have no reasonable answer to give or is a yes/no poll and ignores the other options), but stating your opinion is not against the rules last time I checked. Nor is it against the rules to show to some degree ones bias in the OP or in the thread.

You have the right to fill in the poll options showing your bias and you can post your biased opinions here too.
I have to agree here. I am likewise biased, thoe in favor of guns. There is nothing wrong with being biased yourself. The problem is only when a source is biased. You yourself are more than welcome to be biased, having made up your mind on an issue and argue from a position.

Without biased people this whole website would be boring.
 
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