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Newest NRA campaign idea, make learning to shoot mandatory in school

The NRA mandatory school shooting plan? Good idea or not a good idea?

  • yes, no passing shooting grade and the child may not advance to the next grade

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • no, shooting lessons I totally support but it should not determine passing to the next grade

    Votes: 18 45.0%
  • the NRA has completely/partly lost the plot

    Votes: 4 10.0%
  • the NRA should get the Nobel peace prize for this idea

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • No, I am going to teach my kid myself how to shoot

    Votes: 4 10.0%
  • No, shooting lessons have no place at schools

    Votes: 16 40.0%
  • teaching potential young gangbangers better schooting skills is not a good idea

    Votes: 4 10.0%
  • I have no kids

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • I do not care one way or another

    Votes: 1 2.5%
  • other ........... (please explain

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • Total voters
    40
Really? Not even to survive? Lost in the wild? Eat bark till you die. Intruder? Comply and hope he only rapes you. Charging animal? Talk gently to it. Social unrest? On your knees and pray.

Really.

Training for all those things has a time and place but it's not in elementary school.
 
Really.

Training for all those things has a time and place but it's not in elementary school.

Why? I took my NRA training/safety course at my elementary school. I was 11. Learned lessons that I keep with me today.
 
WTF ... so all our children can grow up to be trained killers, ready to shoot some hooded black man in the head at moments notice? This country has gotten so scared of itself.. its complete bull****.

The ones who act the toughest are the most scared.. its actually really funny.
 
Well, that's actually a pretty stupid idea. There used to be rifle teams though; I as on one in high school. I'm for competition shooting as another sporting activity. There used to archery too, but I think they're both all gone now.

archery is making a big time comeback with what is called the NASP program which culminates in thousands of kids competing at a big national indoor in Louisville right after the huge NFAA Indoor concludes. college programs and clubs are on the rise as well

I shot on a varsity college Shotgun team in the early 80s and the National Collegiate Skeet and Trap championships had more schools than say Gymnastics, Rowing, fencing and water polo. I think trap (the most popular) had several hundred competitors and when I took second in the international trap version, it was in a field of at least 250 shooters.
 
I've long argued that we need to teach this just like another seriously dangerous activity that we allow young adults to participate in - driving. A basic firearms qualification course with certified, direct, personal instructors that teaches kids how to correctly handle firearms would reduce accidents across the populace as they aged, and also mitigate the weird phobia of some. I would support having some kind of licensing system that flowed from this (or a similar) course that was a precondition (for example) for a concealed-carry permit as well.
 
WTF ... so all our children can grow up to be trained killers, ready to shoot some hooded black man in the head at moments notice? This country has gotten so scared of itself.. its complete bull****.

The ones who act the toughest are the most scared.. its actually really funny.

The projection is strong with the left on this issue. Being fearful of weapons, they project fear onto those who have demonstrated the capability to competently employ them.
 
The projection is strong with the left on this issue. Being fearful of weapons, they project fear onto those who have demonstrated the capability to competently employ them.

I don't fear weapons at all. I own plenty of them and know how to shoot them. But to teach children how to shoot guns at school is retarded. If my school did that I would withdraw my child from school. Teaching children to use firearms should be entirely up to the parents.

So what you are saying is that the people who buy tons of weapons and stock up on ammunition are not doing so because they are afraid in order to feel more safe about some made up boogie man?
 
I don't fear weapons at all. I own plenty of them and know how to shoot them. But to teach children how to shoot guns at school is retarded.

Not really. I learned how to properly shoot a rifle at high school, and continued that education at college. I can't think of any instances of it being anything other than useful instruction.

If my school did that I would withdraw my child from school. Teaching children to use firearms should be entirely up to the parents.

:lol: but teaching them about sex and relationships, hey, that we can trust Big Daddy Government on. Because that's so much less complicated and difficult than reinforcing the 4 (5) basic safety rules.

So what you are saying is that the people who buy tons of weapons and stock up on ammunition are not doing so because they are afraid in order to feel more safe about some made up boogie man?

:roll: straw man. we are discussing whether or not we should teach how to properly handle and employ basic firearms in school.

As for me, I plan to purchase (as you put it) "plenty" of guns and ammo because I like guns.
 
WTF ... so all our children can grow up to be trained killers, ready to shoot some hooded black man in the head at moments notice? This country has gotten so scared of itself.. its complete bull****.

The ones who act the toughest are the most scared.. its actually really funny.
NO! Of course we should not train children to be "ready to shoot some hooded black man in the head at moments notice". Never! How horrible!

They should aim for the chest, it's a bigger target.
 
NO! Of course we should not train children to be "ready to shoot some hooded black man in the head at moments notice". Never! How horrible!

They should aim for the chest, it's a bigger target.

Junior knows the mozambique drill by heart


two in the body-then one in the head, make sure the F$)#@) is really dead!!

however, now that he's into three gun with shotgun being his favorite that's a bit wasteful of ammo!!
 
I'm fine with schools offering shooting lessons. I don't see that as any different than offering home economics, shop, or driving lessons. They should not be mandatory though, and should have no impact on a student's ability to progress to the next grade.

Those are things I'd consider key life skills, while gun handling is not.

As something extra curricular then that's fine (like how schools might offer after-school martial arts class/theatre/wrestling or something) but I don't agree it should be part of any curriculum/lessons.
 
archery is making a big time comeback with what is called the NASP program which culminates in thousands of kids competing at a big national indoor in Louisville right after the huge NFAA Indoor concludes. college programs and clubs are on the rise as well

I shot on a varsity college Shotgun team in the early 80s and the National Collegiate Skeet and Trap championships had more schools than say Gymnastics, Rowing, fencing and water polo. I think trap (the most popular) had several hundred competitors and when I took second in the international trap version, it was in a field of at least 250 shooters.

It is fine to have an archery team, a trap shooting team, a fencing team or even a sharp shooting team (like the olympic sport of sharp shooting). But all of those teams/sports have to be purely voluntary and not able to stop a student from passing to the next grade.
 
Those are things I'd consider key life skills, while gun handling is not.

As something extra curricular then that's fine (like how schools might offer after-school martial arts class/theatre/wrestling or something) but I don't agree it should be part of any curriculum/lessons.

Gun handeling is a key life skill. Like CPR, you won't need it until you *need* it.
 
Gun handeling is a key life skill. Like CPR, you won't need it until you *need* it.

Like knowing how to treat jellyfish stings. You won't need it until you *need* it.

Key life skill? No.
 
Like knowing how to treat jellyfish stings. You won't need it until you *need* it.

Key life skill? No.
If you live in a place with lots of jellyfish around, yes, that **** can kill you.

America is a place with lots of guns around.
 
Those are things I'd consider key life skills, while gun handling is not.

As something extra curricular then that's fine (like how schools might offer after-school martial arts class/theatre/wrestling or something) but I don't agree it should be part of any curriculum/lessons.

Driving maybe, but I would argue that no more people regularly make use of cooking or shop skills than do shooting skills. There are a ton of people out there who can't cook worth a damn or who don't know how to fix anything that goes wrong with their car or house.

And I do consider basic gun safety a key life skill. Maybe not how to shoot, but how to behave safely around a gun. Because even if you don't own one, chances are very good that someone you know does.
 
Driving maybe, but I would argue that no more people regularly make use of cooking or shop skills than do shooting skills. There are a ton of people out there who can't cook worth a damn or who don't know how to fix anything that goes wrong with their car or house.
Regarding the list of things taught at school which most never use, I'd like to add World History, algebra, and squaredancing.

Those are fine for acidemics, but ive nevet needed them. I have needed trigonometry, but I didn't learn it in highschool, I learned it in a vo-tech course.
 
Make shooting lessons mandatory at schools, this is what Bill Johnson has said in a video from NRA News.

He said that kids are learning how to read and write and that these are deemed necessary skills, but if it were up to him (and I would assume the NRA or they would not have made this clip/released it) shooting would also be a skill that was learned at school from now on.

But he goes one step further to thumb the NRA nose at parents who will not allow guns in the house or who are anti-guns, learning to shoot guns at school would become mandatory if a child wishes to advance to the next grade. In other words, if your kid (even though you are vehemently against guns) wants to go to the next grade at school he will have to complete a gun shooting course or he will be held back.

I was aware that the second Amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, but now the NRA wants to force guns and shooting even upon children and parents who do not want to bear arms or to shoot arms.

So the question is, how desirable is it to have mandatory gun lessons at school in order to advance to the next grade?

I read this story on the website of a Dutch newspaper but an English version of this story can be found here NRA


So other countries are investing in academics and our counter to this is investing in our kid's ability to properly bust a cap in someone *** ????

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So other countries are investing in academics and our counter to this is investing in our kid's ability to properly bust a cap in someone *** ????

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And if we are on this issue, of investing in academics, US schools IMO are also way too far into sports. It is not the job of a school to have a competitive soccer, baseball, American football, track team, etc. etc. etc.

That these sports are promoted as part of PE is fine, but scholarships should be for brilliant minds first and brilliant in sports second and not the other way around.

I do appreciate though that I cannot compare it to the Netherlands, here there are loads of sporting teams outside of schools. Mostly because loads of people live in a relatively limited area (squared miles wise) and in the US schools are much more the focus of whole areas (from what I see about the American school system). In the Netherlands only special schools have a school bus. All other schools have parents who bring them or mostly kids will go to school on their own. Everywhere there are bike lanes along dangerous roads. For the earliest school going children there are crossing guards and children as young as 6 or 7 walk to school on their own, or cycle there. At junior high level there is virtually no parent who drops off their child, most if not all come by bike. Those who live close to the school walk there.

The only way forward to a better economy IMO is great education.
 
If you live in a place with lots of jellyfish around, yes, that **** can kill you.

America is a place with lots of guns around.

There's a serious flaw in that analogy. Just because you remove jellyfish from the seas, doesn't mean you've gotten rid of all the predators that want to eat you...
 
Surely, I can't be the only one here who mistook an R for a B in the title and was thinking

"Well, duh!"
 
Surely, I can't be the only one here who mistook an R for a B in the title and was thinking

"Well, duh!"
Well we just can't have basketball in public school, that's just an NBA agenda item ;P
 
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