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When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal in All 50 States?

When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal (if ever) in All 50 States?

  • 0-5

    Votes: 5 10.0%
  • 5-10

    Votes: 16 32.0%
  • 15-20

    Votes: 15 30.0%
  • 25-30

    Votes: 5 10.0%
  • 30-35

    Votes: 2 4.0%
  • 40-45

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • 45-50

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 65+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Never

    Votes: 6 12.0%

  • Total voters
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That is such a blanket and meaningless statement. If that were true then they wouldn't be so opposed to the ACA.

It's true, we do.

As for BAD LAWS, we reserve the right to critique them, to expose them and to hold the people accountable who voted for that law when it was a Bill.

And eventually, we can elect politicians who will either fix the broken law or remove it entirely.




And yet, conservatives make libertarian arguments all the time. "Keep the government's hand's off my property" "Government takes too much of my money" etc. Do those sound like libertarian or "rule of law" statements?

Again, don't confuse me with a Libertarian. I'm a Conservative and a Capitalist who believes strongly in private property rights.

I don't ' need " the Government to protect my property. I'm well capable of doing that myself.




And what I put in my body does not infringe upon anyone else's personal liberty.

Wrong.

Substance abuse doesn't just effect the addict, it affects those who are closest to the addict like Family and it has a overall negative affect on our society as a whole.

The effects of Substance abuse leads to poverty, crime and the construction of more prisons as people under the influence continue to make poor choices whether it's because they're High or because they want to get high.

All that cost tax payers more of the hard earned income one way or the other, and it's the people who've chosen to make the right choices who wind up paying for the poor choices of the addict.

Drug addicts are VERY selfish.




You don't have to agree with how they live their lives. You are always free to move to communities that endorse clean living
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Your'e right, but I'm not so naive to think that their problem stops in their living room, or under the overpass, or in a back alley.

The only thing that's changed over the years concerning marijuana is its potency. Thanks to hydroponics it's gotten far more potent, and far more destructive.

It's still a BAD IDEA to smoke it, it still stunts you intellectually and emotionally and it's still and addiction. The new false narrative that it's somehow " healthy. or medicinal " ( Lol....Drug addicts are Physicians all of the sudden ) hasn't changed the fact that it's a harmful chemical.

The comparison to alcohol argument is irrelevant. When it comes down to it, your'e trying to legalize the use of a harmful chemical that isn't even being regulated by Physicians even though it's being sold as " medicine "

People are eating Pot confections that are getting them High enough to cause mild hallucinations ( and sometimes not so mild ) and this chemical can be bought over the counter in some States. Sold by people who are High themselves.

Man have Americans gotten stupid or what ?




I don't want to live in a society where people are dumbed down by 24 hr 'news', reality shows, and get obese through fast food. Yet I do. And I'd be damned if some politician wanted to come along and ban those things. Freedom is about being able to make the wrong choices as well as the right ones.

Watching 24 hour news shows or reality television ( I agree, I can't stand Reality shows, would much rather spend my off time reading, or playing Chess with strangers on my Mobile phone ) won't impair your judgment to the point of being a danger to others.

I can still drive or operate heavy machinery after watching television.

As for the claim that Marijuana doesn't impair you cognitively ? It's effects on young and developing minds are disastrous.
Study: Young Adults’ Casual Marijuana Use Causes Brain Changes | CommonHealth
And it's legal....friken unreal...
 
Uhm, no.

Conservatives believe in the rule of law. Try not to confuse my position with that of a Libertarian.

When it comes down to it, it's about the infringement of personal liberties.

I don't want to raise my family in a society that's inundated with stoned losers. I feel their " right " to pickle their brains on a daily basis infringes upon my rights to live in a society where my family and I are not surrounded by people under the influence.

Now who gave you the right to define the characteristics people in your society? What if Bob doesn't want to live with black people? Or Sally with christians? Or Kyle with conservatives?

This cuts both ways, are you saying that the feelings of any citizen should overrule the right of someone to their own body?
 
It's true, we do.

As for BAD LAWS, we reserve the right to critique them, to expose them and to hold the people accountable who voted for that law when it was a Bill.

And I consider pot laws to be very bad laws. Therefore I will critique them, expose them, and hold the people accountable who favor them.

And eventually, we can elect politicians who will either fix the broken law or remove it entirely.

Fortunately, we are now electing politicians on the Left and Right who see pot laws as doing more harm than good.






Again, don't confuse me with a Libertarian. I'm a Conservative and a Capitalist who believes strongly in private property rights.

Pssshhh, if you believed in property rights then you would not be for the government confiscating a man's plant.

I don't ' need " the Government to protect my property. I'm well capable of doing that myself.

Then you must not see much use for our military.



Wrong.

Substance abuse doesn't just effect the addict, it affects those who are closest to the addict like Family and it has a overall negative affect on our society as a whole.

What a silly argument. Any action can negatively or positively impact those around the individual. This includes legal actions such as gambling, drinking, poor diet, etc. A very very weak argument.


All that cost tax payers more of the hard earned income one way or the other, and it's the people who've chosen to make the right choices who wind up paying for the poor choices of the addict.

Once again, many legal actions can lead down these roads. We are spending billions now on a War on Drugs we could never win. It has only made things worse by forcing the market to go underground.

Drug addicts are VERY selfish.

Marijuana is not physically addictive. And certainly less addictive in general than alcohol.


The only thing that's changed over the years concerning marijuana is its potency. Thanks to hydroponics it's gotten far more potent, and far more destructive.

If legalized, it can be properly regulated. When alcohol was made illegal its toxicity increased, as well. Things are a lot better when alcohol is legal, don't you agree?

It's still a BAD IDEA to smoke it,

I never said it was a good idea. But that's freedom.


The comparison to alcohol argument is irrelevant. When it comes down to it, your'e trying to legalize the use of a harmful chemical that isn't even being regulated by Physicians even though it's being sold as " medicine "

Evidence it isn't regulated?

Man have Americans gotten stupid or what ?

Man was always stupid.
 
I say 10 years.

Alaska, DC, and Oregon have ballot initiatives for rec use, full legalization, while FL and Guam are seeking medical usage.

I see all 5 passing this year, bringing it to 10%+ of States and territories.. Once the revenue is reported you can expect upwards of 10 States in 2016 to have it on the ballot. Then it's open season.
 
And I consider pot laws to be very bad laws. Therefore I will critique them, expose them, and hold the people accountable who favor them.

Sure, why not ?



Fortunately, we are now electing politicians on the Left and Right who see pot laws as doing more harm than good.

Uh huh.....

Legal pot blamed for some of influx of homeless in Denver this summer - The Denver Post


Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle

AGAIN, the damage of drug addiction isn't limited to the drug addict. And these so called politicians you speak of will soon realize the stupidity of their actions as these problems grow.







Pssshhh, if you believed in property rights then you would not be for the government confiscating a man's plant.

It's not about " a plant " is it ? No, that's a purposefully simplified argument to justify inundating communities with a harmful chemical.

Papaver sominiferum poppy varieties are also illegal to grow in your garden. They should be yanked too,



Then you must not see much use for our military.

I'll cross that bridge when the Soviets or Chinese invade and make a B-line for my house with the intention of taking it from me.

Until then, I'm well capable of protecting my property.






What a silly argument. Any action can negatively or positively impact those around the individual. This includes legal actions such as gambling, drinking, poor diet, etc. A very very weak argument.

No, SILLY is equating a hallucinogenic Chemical ( THC ) to over eating and playing poker. It's not just silly, it's absurd.




Once again, many legal actions can lead down these roads. We are spending billions now on a War on Drugs we could never win. It has only made things worse by forcing the market to go underground

It cost money to enforce laws. The Whole " the drug war has failed " false narrative makes the ridiculous assertion that law enforcement could and would wipe out 100 % of the illegal activities it's designed to limit.

We fund our law enforcement agencies to stop car thieves, home burglaries, credit card fraud, speeding, property destruction, the list is endless, but I haven't heard one person tell me " the war on robbery " or " grand theft auto ' has failed.



Marijuana is not physically addictive. And certainly less addictive in general than alcohol.

You can be an addict without being physically addicted to something. I wasn't designed to walk around cognitively limited with a head full of fog on a daily basis.

I enjoy being sharp, and having the full use of my intellectual capabilities. I like the fact that I can remember what I just read, and I like to challenge people in a nice game of online chess. I guarantee if I made the stupid decision to smoke weed, I wouldn't be able to do the things I enjoy doing because of being impaired.

Why someone would chose otherwise is a testament to the destructive power of addiction.




If legalized, it can be properly regulated. When alcohol was made illegal its toxicity increased, as well. Things are a lot better when alcohol is legal, don't you agree?

I'm not very confident that even with strict regulation legalization is a good idea.

Like I said, the Pot of today is not the pot I smoked in College in the 90's, or the pot my Dad smoked in the 60"s. It has much higher concentrations of THC in it, and I think in time, the States that chose to go off the deep end and legalize it will change their mind and make it illegal again.



I never said it was a good idea. But that's freedom.

No, that's not " freedom ". By your definition of Freedom we shouldn't stop at just marijuana, we should legalize everything else.

Well, then your'e infringing upon the freedom of people who wan't to raise their children in a twisted society with zero drug laws.




Evidence it isn't regulated?

Uhm, you can go into a shop in Denver, buy a " candy bar " loaded with High grade pot, and woof it down not knowing you just consumed 10 times the suggested amount.

You get to sped the next 10 hours in a reality totally twisted by one hallucination after another. A guy in Colorado jumped to his death after doing this very thing.



Man was always stupid.

Well, you and I agree on that.

But it's the least we can do to try to create and maintain communities that offer the best chance of success for the generation that follows ours.

Legalizing Pot just condemned IMO, untold amounts of young people who may have chosen to become educated and productive citizens.
 
Simple Question: When do You Think Marijuana Will be Legal (if ever) in All 50 States?
With all the "unintended" consequences Colorado's discovering, if they're any example of the consequences of legalized pot, no one's gonna want to invite all those expensive and grievous problems into their state!

Talk about a rally cry for the Repubs!
 
Uh huh....

Legal pot blamed for some of influx of homeless in Denver this summer - The Denver Post

Yes, some people move to the state with no real plans to support themselves only to take advantage of legalized weed. Sometimes freedom leads to bad choices in life. Not your business or the government's to stop anyone from making bad choices.


Study: Fatal Car Crashes Involving Marijuana Have Tripled « CBS Seattle

“Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,”

This does not mean they were high at the time of the crash. THC can be detected in the blood two weeks after use.

That article is completely misleading.

Now, if someone was totally baked I would not recommend them driving. It should be treated the same as any other DUI.
Are you going to advocate prohibition of alcohol now since they account for a large percentage of fatal crashes?





AGAIN, the damage of drug addiction isn't limited to the drug addict.

AGAIN, the damage of any legal activity can affect others. You are making less of an argument for the banning of weed and more of an argument for a fascist state.



And these so called politicians you speak of will soon realize the stupidity of their actions as these problems grow.

"So-called politicians?" What does that even mean? Because they don't agree with you on a topic they are not real politicians? Lol.

It's not about " a plant " is it ? No, that's a purposefully simplified argument to justify inundating communities with a harmful chemical.

You said you are for property rights. The man who grows/buys marijuana should own that property. If you advocate for government confiscation of that property then you are NOT for property rights.

I'll cross that bridge when the Soviets or Chinese invade and make a B-line for my house with the intention of taking it from me.

So you don't believe in having a military?
No, SILLY is equating a hallucinogenic Chemical ( THC ) to over eating and playing poker. It's not just silly, it's absurd.

I find it interesting how you exaggerate the effects of marijuana and downplay the effects of gambling and poor diet. Typical of someone who has been brainwashed by years of government propaganda.

Of course, poor diet doesn't lead to shortened life spans, increased health care costs, etc.

Of course, gambling addiction doesn't lead to foreclosed homes, divorces and broken families, etc.


It cost money to enforce laws.

Isn't that part of the argument conservatives generally want fewer laws?


The Whole " the drug war has failed " false narrative makes the ridiculous assertion that law enforcement could and would wipe out 100 % of the illegal activities it's designed to limit.

Except, it has only made the problem worse. Since it cannot be regulated on a free and open market the drugs have become more dangerous. Because it is forced underground we have drug lords and needless violence.

We fund our law enforcement agencies to stop car thieves, home burglaries, credit card fraud, speeding, property destruction, the list is endless, but I haven't heard one person tell me " the war on robbery " or " grand theft auto ' has failed.

It has failed in the same way alcohol prohibition failed.


You can be an addict without being physically addicted to something.

Then it can be argued that literally anything can be addicting. I think that pretty much waters down the term 'addiction.'


I enjoy being sharp, and having the full use of my intellectual capabilities. I like the fact that I can remember what I just read, and I like to challenge people in a nice game of online chess. I guarantee if I made the stupid decision to smoke weed, I wouldn't be able to do the things I enjoy doing because of being impaired.

You are free to make those decisions. But the government shouldn't decide for you which decisions are right and which are wrong.

Why someone would chose otherwise is a testament to the destructive power of addiction.

People aren't addicted when they first try something...

I'm not very confident that even with strict regulation legalization is a good idea.

I think most people would agree alcohol legalization was a good thing. There is no reason pot legalization should be any different.

Like I said, the Pot of today is not the pot I smoked in College in the 90's, or the pot my Dad smoked in the 60"s. It has much higher concentrations of THC.

So sick of this government propaganda. Just more scare tactics with little basis in reality. The truth is, there has been little change in potency the last several years. Even with an increase in THC, there is no chance for an overdose and, in fact, more THC means fewer puffs/less carcinogen intact.


No, that's not " freedom ". By your definition of Freedom we shouldn't stop at just marijuana, we should legalize everything else.

No, we should legalize activities that do not directly harm others. Obviously assault, murder, theft, etc should be illegal. But what I put in my body is my business alone.

Well, then your'e infringing upon the freedom of people who wan't to raise their children in a twisted society with zero drug laws.

Your standard ideal society shouldn't be a law to be enforced at gunpoint.


Uhm, you can go into a shop in Denver, buy a " candy bar " loaded with High grade pot, and woof it down not knowing you just consumed 10 times the suggested amount.

Okay, so if it is completely unregulated then a child can walk into that shop and buy one? That 'candy bar' didn't have to meet certain government regulations before it could be sold?


Well, you and I agree on that.

But it's the least we can do to try to create and maintain communities that offer the best chance of success for the generation that follows ours.

I think most of us are for that. I just don't want to force others to conform to my standards.

Legalizing Pot just condemned IMO, untold amounts of young people who may have chosen to become educated and productive citizens.
Such silliness. Many young educated and productive people choose not to do pot, legal or not. Many productive people also choose to enjoy it in moderation. Did you know Carl Sagan smoked it? One of our great astronomers was a potsmoker and yet we want to stereotype every user as some hippie loser. Ridiculous.
 
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