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For Democratic voters

for democratic voters

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 12 30.8%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 27 69.2%

  • Total voters
    39
I would prefer Warren, but Clinton is the more electable candidate. I don't feel particularly strongly about either though and I've been thinking about simply refusing to vote for some of the upcoming races.

With Hillary's record of lack of accomplishment, and all the baggage she's schlepping along (all ammunition for the opposition), you call her the most electable candidate?

Warren's far too progressive for the electorate to go for her, progressives are among the smallest voting block. That consistency you speak of is going to give her very limited appeal.

Of course, you can throw all of that out the window as soon as they start the 'vote with your vagina' thing.

The level of rational thought of the current electorate gives to voting is most disturbing.
 
Hilary v Romney = Romney
Hilary v Paul (either Paul) = Paul
Hilary v anyone not named "Bush" = anyone not named "Bush"
Hilary v Jeb = .... Russia. Russia wins if that happens.

If that is who you would want, fine.

But if those are your predictions, I think you are way off.
 
There is no one who can't win against her, saving an act of god, a murder scandal, or the last name of Bush. That is to say, any Republican who can get the nomination has great chances against Hillary. Be that as it may, she's still a Democratic primary favorite. The nom is hers if she wants it. If she takes it... we're going to have a Republican White House for at least four years.

I'm not saying you're wrong, because who the heck knows, but the polls just don't reflect what you're saying. For example, here are some polls - I'll link to the Huckabee v Clinton results (Clinton + 7 to +13) but you can look at Clinton v Christie, Paul, Ryan, and Cruz there as well. She wins all those polls in what would be electoral landslides.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Huckabee vs. Clinton

Here's PPP's summary from June 2014:

However, a potential match-up between Bush and Hillary Clinton is a dead heat right now, with Clinton picking up 46% to Bush’s 45%.
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The other potential Republican match-ups with Clinton do not come nearly as close as Bush. Clinton leads Chris Christie 46/38, Ted Cruz 50/39, Mike Huckabee 48/41, Rand Paul 48/42, and Rubio 48/44. Clinton picks up a majority of both moderates and younger voters in all of these other match-ups.
 
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If that is who you would want, fine.

But if those are your predictions, I think you are way off.

I don't want anything in particular. I just don't see any mainstream Republicans (those who could win the primary at least) losing to Hillary. The middle has never been hot for her.
 
I'm not saying you're wrong, because who the heck knows, but the polls just don't reflect what you're saying. For example, here are some polls - I'll link to the Huckabee v Clinton results (Clinton + 7 to +13) but you can look at Clinton v Christie, Paul, Ryan, and Cruz there as well. She wins all those polls in what would be electoral landslides.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Huckabee vs. Clinton

Here's PPP's summary from June 2014:

We are more than two years out from the primaries. Not only is there no campaign in either direction yet (which will play into the cornucopia of ready made canned arguments against Clinton), but polls conducted on hypothetical match ups aren't really shedding any light on how people will vote. For example, in this case we have one solid Democratic front runner being pitting against several potential conservative candidates. For the people who like Paul Ryan, how did they answer the match-up question about Christie? Maybe they like Ryan because they think Christie is weak and would lose to Clinton. This doesn't say anything about Clinton. Moreover, if you have conservative poll data, it can be skewed to represent a "threat" in Hillary in order to cause solidarity; likewise, liberal poll data can do much the same thing to try to build early momentum for a candidate.

Essentially, you're asking people who would win a fistfight between Nessie and Bigfoot, or Nessie and the Chupacabra, or Nessie and Zeus. All I'm saying is that we all know Nessie has a glass jaw. And no fists.
 
This lefty loves Elizabeth Warren, but feels she isn't ready yet, so will vote for Hillary...

Do me one favor read up fon her positions on the major issues facing this country............what has she accomplished as SOS?
 
Do me one favor read up fon her positions on the major issues facing this country............what has she accomplished as SOS?

Not even some of her usually ardent supporters have an answer for that one.
 
I don't care who wins the next election. This country gets what it deserves.

All we're getting is Dumb or Dumber. And nobody is doing a god dam thing about it.

Politics is now an entrepreneurial industry at the service of the highest bidder. A politician is no longer a public servant, whatsoever.

**** them all.
 
I don't care who wins the next election. This country gets what it deserves.

All we're getting is Dumb or Dumber. And nobody is doing a god dam thing about it.

Politics is now an entrepreneurial industry at the service of the highest bidder. A politician is no longer a public servant, whatsoever.

**** them all.

I totally agree. These last two presidents are giving Harding, Andrew Johnson and Grant a run for their money as the worst presidents ever. I do not think it makes one iota of a difference who wins in 2016, whoever the winner is will owe their heart and soul to special interests, lobbyist, corporations, wall street firms, etc. We do get the government we deserve and we have the best government money can buy. 2 billion dollars spent on the race for the presidency, for a buck ninety either we could have done better.
 
I don't care who wins the next election. This country gets what it deserves.

All we're getting is Dumb or Dumber. And nobody is doing a god dam thing about it.

Politics is now an entrepreneurial industry at the service of the highest bidder. A politician is no longer a public servant, whatsoever.

**** them all.

You need a beach and a pina colada, man.

I caught that comment about not caring who blows up who in the Middle East as well. Just white sands, a bartender named Jack and the sound of music made with hollowed-out coconuts for you.
 
Do me one favor read up fon her positions on the major issues facing this country............what has she accomplished as SOS?



Well she didn't travel thousands of miles to 112 countries for nothing. She was very active and was a good promoter of human rights throughout the world, especially women's rights. She is a bit more hawkish than Obama, but I like that.
 
You need a beach and a pina colada, man.

I caught that comment about not caring who blows up who in the Middle East as well. Just white sands, a bartender named Jack and the sound of music made with hollowed-out coconuts for you.

That's the plan.
 
I have to say I am a little surprised by the results of this poll.
 
I have to say I am a little surprised by the results of this poll.

Why? Elizabeth Warren is much more liberal and consistent with Democratic ideals than Hilary. Despite your attempts to paint Hilary as an ultra-left wing liberal, the reality is that both Hilary and Bill are centrist moderate Democrats, which is why they have fairly broad appeal with moderates and independents. Given the choice, I would much prefer Warren, but if I am voting on electability, my money would be on Hilary. There really is no surprise here unless you don't follow positions and politics other than superficially.
 
Why? Elizabeth Warren is much more liberal and consistent with Democratic ideals than Hilary. Despite your attempts to paint Hilary as an ultra-left wing liberal, the reality is that both Hilary and Bill are centrist moderate Democrats, which is why they have fairly broad appeal with moderates and independents. Given the choice, I would much prefer Warren, but if I am voting on electability, my money would be on Hilary. There really is no surprise here unless you don't follow positions and politics other than superficially.

Yup, I would agree with this, especially the part about Bill & Hill being moderate centrists. I've heard Dick Morris also say many times that Bill was a true, hardened centrist at heart and would have governed very much in the center if not for pressure, although technically I would say for the most part he DID govern from the center. I think she is very much the same.

Warren IMO is very much a Liberal.
 
Why? Elizabeth Warren is much more liberal and consistent with Democratic ideals than Hilary. Despite your attempts to paint Hilary as an ultra-left wing liberal, the reality is that both Hilary and Bill are centrist moderate Democrats, which is why they have fairly broad appeal with moderates and independents. Given the choice, I would much prefer Warren, but if I am voting on electability, my money would be on Hilary. There really is no surprise here unless you don't follow positions and politics other than superficially.

And she has conviction. I don't think she has a chance of getting elected, but it would be fun to watch.
 
Hillary clinton as President, and Warren as VP...

Its not even a choice, Warren can't beat Clinton and Liz knows that, that's why she keeps telling people she won't run...

Warren doesn't have the money Clinton has, nor the name recognition, or the experience, or the political power, and clout...

Basically what im saying is Warren is a poor mans Clinton
 
Well she didn't travel thousands of miles to 112 countries for nothing. She was very active and was a good promoter of human rights throughout the world, especially women's rights. She is a bit more hawkish than Obama, but I like that.

Problem is, all the effort expended, all those air miles, all those expenses expended, and not a single dam thing to show for it. Even her ardent supporters admit this.

How's that any different than an extended world air tour vacation? (Travel a lot, accomplish nothing substantive) All at the tax payer's expense!
 
Hillary clinton as President, and Warren as VP...

Its not even a choice, Warren can't beat Clinton and Liz knows that, that's why she keeps telling people she won't run...

Warren doesn't have the money Clinton has, nor the name recognition, or the experience, or the political power, and clout...

Basically what im saying is Warren is a poor mans Clinton


You ever hear of Obama?

28-12 looks like most lefties in DP disagree with you my left wing friend.
 
Hillary clinton as President, and Warren as VP...

Its not even a choice, Warren can't beat Clinton and Liz knows that, that's why she keeps telling people she won't run...

Warren doesn't have the money Clinton has, nor the name recognition, or the experience, or the political power, and clout...




That is an interesting idea, but I feel that she can be more productive in Congress for now.. Maybe in eight years she will be ready to run for president...
 
Hillary clinton as President, and Warren as VP...

Its not even a choice, Warren can't beat Clinton and Liz knows that, that's why she keeps telling people she won't run...

Warren doesn't have the money Clinton has, nor the name recognition, or the experience, or the political power, and clout...




That is an interesting idea, but I feel that she can be more productive in Congress for now.. Maybe in eight years she will be ready to run for president...

How do you explain the landslide vote for Warren in DP then???:confused:
 
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