Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

[Dragonfly]

Shot down?
Brought down? (from inside)
We'll never know?
Terrorist act?

What do you think happened? And who did it?

 

[NoC_T]

Amadeus tried to hug it mid-flight.

 

[voyager1]

If this is the Ukrainian one, shot down. Probably by some trigger happy controller of a SAM.
We will probably never know who did it, but I am leaning toward the Russian backed folks.

 

[Phys251]

Amadeus tried to hug it mid-flight.

Normally I do not laugh at gallows humor when a tragic story is still fresh.

Exceptions can be made. :lol:

 

[Wiggen]

The plane was clearly shot down and I'm willing to bet they'll be able to tell who was responsible.

 

[NoC_T]

Normally I do not laugh at gallows humor when a tragic story is still fresh.

Exceptions can be made. :lol:

It's the way I tell 'em.

 

[ChezC3]

It went from the Rapture to Russia?


What else can we pin on 'em? Eh? Jimmy Hoffa? JFK? The Hindenburg?


What a tragic comedy...

(The Obama Administration, I am referring to...)

 

[jamesrage]

Shot down?
Brought down? (from inside)
We'll never know?
Terrorist act?

What do you think happened? And who did it?

other - please explain. I could care less.

 

[Ikari]

Shot down?
Brought down? (from inside)
We'll never know?
Terrorist act?

What do you think happened? And who did it?

It was shot down, but I don't 100% know if we'll know for sure who was responsible. Perhaps, but it seems that at this point fingers are being pointed all around.

 

[Smeagol]

My educated guess: Shot down by Ukrainian pro-Russian separatists using captured surface to air munitions. Thought it was a cargo plane supplying Ukraine's military and not a civilian passenger Jet from Malaysia.

 

[Peter Grimm]

Hilarious that so many of you think the plane was shot down, without a shred of evidence to support your theory.

How many planes are actually shot down?

I prefer to go with Occam's razor on this one: the simplest explanation is that the flight simply had a mechanical failure and crashed. That's what happens in 99.99% of plane crashes, they aren't "shot down."

"But but but.... Peter Grimm..... how come we can't find the plane if it were just a regular mechanical failure?"

Well, you dummies, it's a very very very big ocean, and you're dealing with the Malaysian government, not exactly the Sherlock Holmes' of the world.

 

[Utility Man]

Hilarious that so many of you think the plane was shot down, without a shred of evidence to support your theory.

How many planes are actually shot down?

I prefer to go with Occam's razor on this one: the simplest explanation is that the flight simply had a mechanical failure and crashed. That's what happens in 99.99% of plane crashes, they aren't "shot down."

"But but but.... Peter Grimm..... how come we can't find the plane if it were just a regular mechanical failure?"

Well, you dummies, it's a very very very big ocean, and you're dealing with the Malaysian government, not exactly the Sherlock Holmes' of the world.

:doh

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-airlines-flight-crashes-ukraine-71-a-22.html

Hilarious you say ?

 

[theclown]

Instead of GUESSING, why not wait until an investigation is actually done?

 

[the_recruit]

Hilarious that so many of you think the plane was shot down, without a shred of evidence to support your theory.

How many planes are actually shot down?

I prefer to go with Occam's razor on this one: the simplest explanation is that the flight simply had a mechanical failure and crashed. That's what happens in 99.99% of plane crashes, they aren't "shot down."

"But but but.... Peter Grimm..... how come we can't find the plane if it were just a regular mechanical failure?"

Well, you dummies, it's a very very very big ocean, and you're dealing with the Malaysian government, not exactly the Sherlock Holmes' of the world.

:lamo

Yeah, you ****ing dummies!

 

[DiAnna]

Shot down by Russian Separatists with Russian training on a BUK land-to-air missile system because they mistook it for a Ukrainian military plane.

The Ukrainians apparently have several recorded telephone intercepts between Russians and Separatists confirming this, and I'm pretty damned sure that's what happened... although I'm also pretty damned sure that the Russian Separatists are busily carting off all the wreckage along with the black boxes to Russia to cover up the evidence.

The fact that Russian Separatists have shot down two other planes in the last week pretty much seals the deal.

 

[braindrain]

Hilarious that so many of you think the plane was shot down, without a shred of evidence to support your theory.

How many planes are actually shot down?

I prefer to go with Occam's razor on this one: the simplest explanation is that the flight simply had a mechanical failure and crashed. That's what happens in 99.99% of plane crashes, they aren't "shot down."

"But but but.... Peter Grimm..... how come we can't find the plane if it were just a regular mechanical failure?"

Well, you dummies, it's a very very very big ocean, and you're dealing with the Malaysian government, not exactly the Sherlock Holmes' of the world.

How to look dumb in 4 easy steps, brought to you by Peter Grimm

Step 1 Enter thread on topic that you either didn't read or don't know what is being discussed.

Step 2. Post things on said thread that obviously prove you don't know what you are talking about ie the ocean is very very big when everyone else knows not only that the plane came down over land but that no one is looking for the wreckage of the plane because they know exactly where it is.

Step 3 Call everyone else who is actual posting on the topic of the thread dummies.

Step 4 Walk off with the smug feeling that you are smarter than everyone else.

 

[Peter King]

:doh

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-airlines-flight-crashes-ukraine-71-a-22.html

Hilarious you say ?

Indeed, I find it anything but hilarious.

 

[Dragonfly]

I could care less.

Why?

That's pretty damned cold-hearted isn't it?

I know many people who must travel all over the world for business. A civilian/commercial airplane was possibly sot down.

How can you "not care"?

 

[Dragonfly]

It went from the Rapture to Russia?


What else can we pin on 'em? Eh? Jimmy Hoffa? JFK? The Hindenburg?


What a tragic comedy...

(The Obama Administration, I am referring to...)

Why bring Obama or the current administration into this other than just wanting to be a gigantic ass?

:roll:

 

[Dragonfly]

Instead of GUESSING, why not wait until an investigation is actually done?

Why not just NOT post in a thread you don't like, rather than add something with no substance?

 

[Dragonfly]

Shot down by Russian Separatists with Russian training on a BUK land-to-air missile system because they mistook it for a Ukrainian military plane.

The Ukrainians apparently have several recorded telephone intercepts between Russians and Separatists confirming this, and I'm pretty damned sure that's what happened... although I'm also pretty damned sure that the Russian Separatists are busily carting off all the wreckage along with the black boxes to Russia to cover up the evidence.

The fact that Russian Separatists have shot down two other planes in the last week pretty much seals the deal.

My educated guess: Shot down by Ukrainian pro-Russian separatists using captured surface to air munitions. Thought it was a cargo plane supplying Ukraine's military and not a civilian passenger Jet from Malaysia.

In light of the most recent news, these seem to be the most likely of scenarios.

 

[Peter Grimm]

How to look dumb in 4 easy steps, brought to you by Peter Grimm

Step 1 Enter thread on topic that you either didn't read or don't know what is being discussed.

Step 2. Post things on said thread that obviously prove you don't know what you are talking about ie the ocean is very very big when everyone else knows not only that the plane came down over land but that no one is looking for the wreckage of the plane because they know exactly where it is.

Step 3 Call everyone else who is actual posting on the topic of the thread dummies.

Step 4 Walk off with the smug feeling that you are smarter than everyone else.

But I am smarter than everyone else.

 

[PoS]

It was another crazy Malaysian pilot who decided to go on a suicide run by flying close to the missile batteries of the Ukrainian rebs.

Spoiler

(Im kidding btw)

 

[joG]

In light of the most recent news, these seem to be the most likely of scenarios.

I thought this small insight into the available technology might be interesting at this point. What would it take to shoot down MH17? - The Washington Post

 

[GreatNews2night]

I thought this small insight into the available technology might be interesting at this point. What would it take to shoot down MH17? - The Washington Post

Old news. Everybody by now knows that a Buk missile launcher is likely to be involved. The poll question has been already answered by radar and heat signatures. The plane was brought down by a ground-to-air missile. Also, all the deleted tweets and phone conversations point to the pro-Russian separatist rebels as the ones responsible for shooting down the plane, which apparently they mistook or a military cargo.

The remaining question is - how did the rebels operate a Buk missile launcher? It seems like extensive training is needed to operate one. It's a complex operation for target acquisition and it involves lots of electronics with a huge control panel. This is not something you simply aim and pull a trigger. Some sources say the crew that is necessary to operate a Buk unit must undergo two years of training. Maybe not that long, but it seems unlikely that rebels would be able to operate the unit on short notice (which either they received from Russia or seized from the Ukraine military - the latter possibility seems more likely since they had bragged about seizing one) without close assistance from Russian advisers, which then would look very bad for Moscow anyway even if they didn't provide the unit.