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Would you modify how the death penalty is applied?

What would you do about the death penalty?


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Killing in self defense comes from the notion that you have a right to life and the right to defend it. Killing for punishment comes from the notion that some crimes deserve certain punishments.

Not necessarily. Killing for punishment can also come from the perceived need to protect the society from future crimes.
 
The DP should never be used as a punishment. It's something that shoud be done strictly to protect society from it's most dangerous members. Incarceration for life simply means that the person is a threat to fewer people.

Incarceration in a high-security prison can eliminate the threat almost entirely, while still preserving his/her life.
 
Incarceration in a high-security prison can eliminate the threat almost entirely, while still preserving his/her life.

It's that word "almost" that ruins your argument. With our current penal system, there is no way to make such a person NO threat, just a minimal one. Unfortunately, there are people in this world who need to be 100% removed from any possibility of them ever harming another human being. Sadly, there is only one way to accomplish this... If there was an option, I'd say that we take it, but until that happens, we as a society need to have something in place to make sure that these kind of people never have even remotest chance of ever harming anyone.
 
It's that word "almost" that ruins your argument. With our current penal system, there is no way to make such a person NO threat, just a minimal one. Unfortunately, there are people in this world who need to be 100% removed from any possibility of them ever harming another human being. Sadly, there is only one way to accomplish this... If there was an option, I'd say that we take it, but until that happens, we as a society need to have something in place to make sure that these kind of people never have even remotest chance of ever harming anyone.

Just like there's no 100% way to secure a prison, there's no 100% way to know the person you are is executing is actually guilty. If there's even 1% chance that the person is innocent, we should not execute them. And, with the current incompetence of our criminal "justice" system, the percentage is much higher than that.

There is no reason why, with the technology we have at our disposal, we should not be able to keep dangerous criminals incarcerated for life.
 
This will work right up until the leftist can sell the public we just executed an innocent man. 60 minutes will probably repeat it, Anderson cooper will visit with his mom, and Fox with his hot wife!

What will be the difference. The left does all of that now.
 
Ok. What would be your course of action if, after the execution, it is found out the person was indeed innocent? What you you advocate we do for the family of that victim?

Give them a free voucher for "Flowers-R-Us".;)
 
Self-defense is only legitimate because it is in the interest of your direct safety, not because it is acceptable to kill murderers.

I think it's absolutely wonderful to kill murderers.
 
Public hangings. Also, need to greatly increase the crimes that qualify for it.

Indeed. Whenever I walk down the street and get a breath of air, I always think about how much nicer things would be if we were more like Iran. Never saw a bulldozer go down the street without thinking, "Too bad there isn't some guy hanging from that!"
 
Incarceration in a high-security prison can eliminate the threat almost entirely, while still preserving his/her life.

The killer's victims do not get the same consideration.
 
Indeed. Whenever I walk down the street and get a breath of air, I always think about how much nicer things would be if we were more like Iran. Never saw a bulldozer go down the street without thinking, "Too bad there isn't some guy hanging from that!"

If I could like this post 1,000 times, I would.
 
The killer's victims do not get the same consideration.

Really? So what being locked away for life is some sort of great consideration made for the criminal? Yeah, losing all trace of privacy, have almost all your rights violated regularly, and have almost no safety to speak of with no real way to protect yourself is just amazing consideration made for the criminal.
 
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Until our justice system is capable of eliminating nearly all errors and corruption and and the defendant's race and income does not influence outcomes, it should not be allowed to make irreversible decisions. Far too many people who have been executed or spent years on death row have been exonerated late or too late.



This link has a list of 144 men freed From Death Row since 1971.: Innocence: List of Those Freed From Death Row | Death Penalty Information Center

"For Inclusion on DPIC's Innocence List:

Defendants must have been convicted, sentenced to death and subsequently either-

a. Been acquitted of all charges related to the crime that placed them on death row, or

b. Had all charges related to the crime that placed them on death row dismissed by the prosecution, or

c. Been granted a complete pardon based on evidence of innocence."

"Average number of years between being sentenced to death and exoneration: 10.1 years"
 
Indeed. Whenever I walk down the street and get a breath of air, I always think about how much nicer things would be if we were more like Iran. Never saw a bulldozer go down the street without thinking, "Too bad there isn't some guy hanging from that!"
Now I miss Tigger.
 
Really? So what being locked away for life is some sort of great consideration made for the criminal? Yeah, losing all trace of privacy, have almost all your rights violated regularly, and have almost no safety to speak of with no real way to protect yourself is just amazing consideration made for the criminal.

Imprisoned killers who are not on death row are treated to cable tv, three square meals a day, and free healthcare. Much more then they deserve. My sympathies are for their victims.
 
Indeed. Whenever I walk down the street and get a breath of air, I always think about how much nicer things would be if we were more like Iran. Never saw a bulldozer go down the street without thinking, "Too bad there isn't some guy hanging from that!"

Only a ****ing senseless moron who knows absolutely nothing would actually compare the US to Iran. Go suck the dick of murders, rapist, child molesters and their ilk if you want. We should ****ing hang all of them along with socialist and socialist vermin.
 
Indeed. Whenever I walk down the street and get a breath of air, I always think about how much nicer things would be if we were more like Iran. Never saw a bulldozer go down the street without thinking, "Too bad there isn't some guy hanging from that!"

Tell you what. I'll write a letter to Perry and suggest instead of executing death row inmates, we bus them to your neighborhood and set them free since you love sub-human trash so much.
 
Tell you what. I'll write a letter to Perry and suggest instead of executing death row inmates, we bus them to your neighborhood and set them free since you love sub-human trash so much.

Not sure I see the argument here. Does stealing silver spoons make someone sub-human trash? That was an offense punishable by death in the olden days.
 
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He who passes the sentence, should swing the sword.

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Preferably, a comically oversized zweihander. :lol:
 
Not necessarily. Killing for punishment can also come from the perceived need to protect the society from future crimes.

That only works in a society where 23h lockdown is not an option. We have it as an option. Criminals can be isolated from society for the rest of their lives. So no, "killing for punishment" is not a need to protect people from future crimes as that type of "need" doesn't work with any other kind of punishment. We don't put people in jail because they may rob. We don't do it because they may rape. We do it to deter others from committing the crimes and punish the individual. The weird thing is that most countries where the death penalty is banned and a rehabilitation approach is taken have been proven to do better at stopping criminal behavior.
 
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Not sure I see the argument here. Does stealing silver spoons make someone sub-human trash? That was an offense punishable by death in the olden days.

Is it a capital crime in the US today? NO! Then why in the world would someone bring it up? Oh, yeah, they might be a criminal loving dumb-ass. Maybe we should have a poll and ask.

If anyone is unwilling to do everything possible, including putting to death of evil scum, to prevent further evil, then they are aiding and abetting that evil.

And while your so concerned about how "humane" the Death penalty is, why don't you take a look at the crime scene photos or at least the articles about what these animals did to get the death penalty. Maybe go volunteer someplace to help the shattered remains of families affected by these individuals carry on somehow after having a hole ripped in their lives.

Death Row Inmates by State and Size of Death Row by Year | Death Penalty Information Center
3,070 on death row in the US as of 1 Jan 2014. While your being so humane and caring so much about these scum, think about the 100,000+ plus lives they shattered, destroyed and affected.

Repeat Felons Dominate the Criminal Justice System

77 percent of felony defendants have at least one prior arrest and 69 percent have multiple prior arrests. 61 percent have at least one conviction and 49 percent have multiple convictions.

35 percent of those charged with felonies have 10 or more prior arrests and another 17 percent have between 5 to 9 arrests, thus 52 percent of charged felons have been arrested and before the courts many times.

40 percent of those charged with burglary and motor vehicle theft have 10 or more arrests. 30 percent of violent offenders have 10 or more prior arrests.

40 percent of all felony convictions serve time in a state prison and 55 percent of those convicted for violent felonies serve time in state prisons. More serve less than six months in county jails.

Whats the number of prisoner escapes each year? Some years more, some less, but roughly 2,000 a year. Recent data is hard to find.


What does "life in prison" really mean? https://fullfact.org/factchecks/murder_homicide_sentence_licence_release_parole-28691

“In 2010, 115 people were released from prison having served a life sentence for murder. Of these, six had served fewer than 10 years. In 2011, 160 people were released from prison having served a life sentence for murder. Of these, 26 had served fewer than 10 years.”
 
This poll addresses capital punishment both in the states that have it and in the federal government.
I would expand the death penalty to apply to any conviction which currenty carries a sentence longer than 10 years, and to any 3rd feloney conviction, to include a 3rd feloney charge on the same act.

So since I support making DUI a feloney like it is in Canada, your 3rd DUI conviction will cost you your life. DUI with a loaded gun and minor child in the car will cost you your life.
 
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I would eliminate the death penalty in it's entirety. Nobody, government official or citizen, should have the legal right to murder someone unless directly in self-defense. There's no need to become the very thing we claim to fight against. "You killed someone, and that's not okay, thus your punishment is that I will kill you." Makes no sense!
The goal is to remove the diseased limb from the tree.
 
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