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Which City is America's Worst

Which City is America's Worst

  • Atlanta

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Chicago

    Votes: 8 11.3%

  • New York

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Los Angeles

    Votes: 4 5.6%

  • Detroit

    Votes: 40 56.3%

  • Washington DC

    Votes: 5 7.0%

  • Miami

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Cleveland

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Memphis

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 11 15.5%
  • Total voters
    71
Ockham said:
Camden NJ.

If you've ever been, you'll agree.
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Most of the cities on the list have their bad neighborhoods but are worth visiting overall.

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to ever step foot in Camden.
 
wist43 said:
Los Angles is on the way to bankruptcy; so is San Francisco. 6 California cities have already gone bankrupt, the largest being Santa Barbara, I think.

Birmingham, AL went bankrupt; Detroit of course.

California, Illinois, New Jersey, and New York are all states that are heading toward ruin.

California has implemented, or is implementing, a "public retirement" program for people who do not have 401K's thru their work - it is simply a scheme to steal money from the lowest classes of society for the purpose of keeping the public worker pension system from collapsing - but, of course, the masses are completely ignorant of the fact that they are being ripped off.

That system will go national eventually - and when that can't save all the sinking ships, they will begin calling for FedGov bailouts; which means that even if you live in a responsible state - the parasites will eventually get into your wallet.

The one thing all of these places have in common is that they are hardcore democratic strongholds. Disgusting thieves who deserve their comeuppance.
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You're right.

Detroit has pretty much been locked down by the liberal Democrats for the last 40 years and look how it turned out. Now they want the rest of us to save their bacon. I keep hearing oh but what about the people with pensions. Fu%$ em! Not my problem!
 
DB20 said:
You're right.

Detroit has pretty much been locked down by the liberal Democrats for the last 40 years and look how it turned out. Now they want the rest of us to save their bacon. I keep hearing oh but what about the people with pensions. Fu%$ em! Not my problem!
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The big population and job losses in Detroit began in the decade of the 50's under two Republican mayors Alfred Cobo and Louis Mariani. The city lost 300,000 people during that decade and that is when the big slide began. Yes, those who came after were Democrats. So please, lets get that straight.
 
haymarket said:
The big population and job losses in Detroit began in the decade of the 50's under two Republican mayors Alfred Cobo and Louis Mariani. The city lost 300,000 people during that decade and that is when the big slide began. Yes, those who came after were Democrats. So please, lets get that straight.
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The liberals own what's happened in Detroit.

It's a fact.
 
I've been or lived in every city on the list but Memphis--and Camden, NJ. I've never had any issues in any of them but I can say that I like Chicago the least. I know there are nice areas and have seen some of them, but I just had the worst vibe there. The bad areas felt like post-war zones for 50+ years without much spark. While I haven't been to Detroit recently, I liked Greektown and being near Windsor which was a very clean city.

No doubt the older the city, the more run down the areas tended to be. There are bad areas of Miami but they haven't been bad for very long and hurricanes have a way of helping clean things up a bit. I didn't mind Cleveland, except it was July and cold.
 
DB20 said:
Being middle class in this country means constantly being stressed out over your finances. Some people make much better decisions than others and some are better equipped to deal with the stress but I think most people, regardless of their political leanings, would agree that the middle class is getting screwed a million and one different ways.
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Doesn't matter who's in charge either. The middle class is getting whipped from both sides.
 
Lovebug said:
Doesn't matter who's in charge either. The middle class is getting whipped from both sides.
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This is true. Neither the Dems nor the Reps give a damn about the middle class. All they care about is their own power.

But if the topic is specifically Detroit there is no legitimate argument that Republicans mismanaged the city because pretty much everybody in the Detorit municipal government has been a Democrats for a very, very long time. That's a fact.

We could also discuss how both the unions and management ran GM into the ground if we're talking about Detroit.

I don't care what anyone says about GM either. It is in no way a success story. It was a political favor to the unions. GM is still making some of the crappiest cars in the world and no serious analysts in the auto industry sees them competing in the long run with the likes of Honda or Toyota.

They should have let GM go bankrupt.
 
DB20 said:
This is true. Neither the Dems nor the Reps give a damn about the middle class. All they care about is their own power.

But if the topic is specifically Detroit there is no legitimate argument that Republicans mismanaged the city because pretty much everybody in the Detorit municipal government has been a Democrats for a very, very long time. That's a fact.

We could also discuss how both the unions and management ran GM into the ground if we're talking about Detroit.

I don't care what anyone says about GM either. It is in no way a success story. It was a political favor to the unions. GM is still making some of the crappiest cars in the world and no serious analysts in the auto industry sees them competing in the long run with the likes of Honda or Toyota.

They should have let GM go bankrupt.
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Dallas was once the gunshot capital as well, down at the bottom. Lets not give up on our fellow Americans quite yet.
 
Lovebug said:
Dallas was once the gunshot capital as well, down at the bottom. Lets not give up on our fellow Americans quite yet.
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Give up on our fellow Americans?

HOW about giving up on a failed company and a failed city?

Why should someone who lives in Florida or New Jersey or South Carolina or any other state be forced to pay for the bad actions of MIchigan, Detroit, GM and the UAW?

I'll say it again FU** THEM!
 
DB20 said:
The liberals own what's happened in Detroit.

It's a fact.
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yeah - you never want to be confused with actual facts do you? :doh:roll:
 
DB20 said:
Give up on our fellow Americans?

HOW about giving up on a failed company and a failed city?

Why should someone who lives in Florida or New Jersey or South Carolina or any other state be forced to pay for the bad actions of MIchigan, Detroit, GM and the UAW?

I'll say it again FU** THEM!
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Yeah - a F those damn Hawaiians in 1941 too. Why should the rest of the nation help them when they are too weak to fight for themselves. :roll::doh
 
DB20 said:
Give up on our fellow Americans?

HOW about giving up on a failed company and a failed city?

Why should someone who lives in Florida or New Jersey or South Carolina or any other state be forced to pay for the bad actions of MIchigan, Detroit, GM and the UAW?

I'll say it again FU** THEM!
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What about all the money we send to foreign nations? I don't know about you but I would rather help any one of those cities listed above. They are OURS.
 
haymarket said:
Yeah - a F those damn Hawaiians in 1941 too. Why should the rest of the nation help them when they are too weak to fight for themselves. :roll::doh
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There is a difference bawteen something like a natural disaster or an attack and a city running itself into the ground.

I guess every deadbeat that or group of deadbeats that can't make the right decisions deserves to have others bail them out through right?
 
DB20 said:
There is a difference bawteen something like a natural disaster or an attack and a city running itself into the ground.

I guess every deadbeat that or group of deadbeats that can't make the right decisions deserves to have others bail them out through right?
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When were you appointed to God-like status and given the power to make these subtle determinations as to who shall prosper and who shall wither?
 
haymarket said:
When were you appointed to God-like status and given the power to make these subtle determinations as to who shall prosper and who shall wither?
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I wasn't given the power to determine who would prosper and who would wither. The city of Detroit withered because of the decisions they made. I just don't want to have to pay for it.

Do you agree with the GM bailout?

Do you agree with all the bank bailouts?

I guess the back and forth you and I are engaging in begs the question....."who must suffer the consequences of their own actions and who has the right to make egregious mistakes, not suffer the consequences of those mistakes and have others pay for those mistakes?
 
No Brainer.

San Francisco, because they elect people like Nancy Pelosi.
 
I wish it was a public poll.
 
tres borrachos said:
Singapore is in which state?
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I had to look, but it's not one of Obama's 57 states.

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DA60 said:
East St. Louis, Illinois.

Top 100 most dangerous places to live in the USA - NeighborhoodScout


If you have been there, you would know why it tops the above list.

The place seems like a post war zone (at least the last time I was there it did).
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I chose Detroit out of those that were offered. I've been to Detriot and didn't think things could get any worse until you brought up East St. Louis, Ill. I did a search on the place. Mercy. From what I read both cities share a similar history that led to their economic disaster that has turned them into one of the armpits of this country.
 
DB20 said:
I wasn't given the power to determine who would prosper and who would wither. The city of Detroit withered because of the decisions they made. I just don't want to have to pay for it.

Do you agree with the GM bailout?

Do you agree with all the bank bailouts?

I guess the back and forth you and I are engaging in begs the question....."who must suffer the consequences of their own actions and who has the right to make egregious mistakes, not suffer the consequences of those mistakes and have others pay for those mistakes?
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You seem to be laboring under the belief that everything that happens to a person, a family, a group, a city, or even a nation is something brought about because of things that they did solely themselves?
 
haymarket said:
You seem to be laboring under the belief that everything that happens to a person, a family, a group, a city, or even a nation is something brought about because of things that they did solely themselves?
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well why don't you explain to us then how Detroit came to be what it is now.
 
DB20 said:
well why don't you explain to us then how Detroit came to be what it is now.
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In earlier threads I spent several hours supplying information with evidence on the decline for Detroit and reasons for it. Allow me some time and I will try to link to it so you can read it later this weekend.

In the meantime, please begin with this

http://www.urbanophile.com/2012/02/21/the-reasons-behind-detroits-decline-by-pete-saunders/

and this

http://pup.princeton.edu/chapters/i8029.html
 
DB20 said:
This poll isn't overtly political but I didn't see a place to post polls in the non political section.

Anyway which of these is the worst US city in terms of crime, economy, housing, general livability etc etc etc

Basically which city should be known as America's toilet?
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Newark, NJ should be on the list. In fact, NJ in general should be on that list.
 
ChezC3 said:
One reason is the people who you're likely to run into on internet forums aren't the ones who live in the high crime areas.

Another reason is many people who say they're from Chicago aren't really residents of Chicago but the Chicagoland area. They live in the suburbs and either commute into work or come into the city on the weekend and spend their leisure time in the Loop area, the part of the city where tourists visit, the downtown area. Many people, people here in IL even think that that downtown area is the city of Chicago. Not knowing that the city itself is about 28 miles long going north and south and about 5-7 miles wide.

Every time I tell people I'm from Chicago they say, "Oh yeah? What suburb?" One time, I was in Oregon and I had to show the guy my actual Driver's License showing I had a Chicago address because he wasn't buying that I lived there. LOL

A couple weeks ago I was introduced to a couple who asked me this very question, repeatedly explaining, only to have them finally assure ME that I lived where I had told them I live. "Oh yeah, you guys are in the city" ??? I mean WTF? LOL


A lot of imports who came from the surrounding states, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana who came here for jobs, for a change from Pu'Dunk. Revel in the city's history, it's culture, it's mystique... It's a badge of pride to say you live in Chicago. You see the change in a person's demeanor, the awe when you tell them you're from Chicago. I don't understand it, but I find it amusing. It's like either your a bad ass, a Bad Bad Leroy Brown, or they think you're super wealthy living the highlife... It inspires the imagination I suppose...

As for the crime, well, you get desensitized to it. I live in a pretty affluent area, lots of politicians, city and state, high ranking city officials, lots of police presence and in the 5 years here, we've had car break ins, burglaries, weirdos and what not, but all in all it's a good neighborhood. You just "know". No matter how safe it seems, this is the city.

I myself love Chicago. Always will. Do I appreciate it now as much as I did when I moved here from the South Subs 12+ years ago? No. I'm older now and I don't need to be "on the scene" like I use to, but I will defend this city and all that it is until the day I die. Why? Because it's my city.

You have to live here I suppose to "get it".
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I just have to say I never once met anyone who was in awe because I lived in Chicago. And for sure never met someone who thought that I or my family was a bad ass due to livingthere. To me and most of the people I know we don't find any more badge of honor in being from Chicago than any other big city.
You kind of remind me of the folks who are from Texas who think everyone is impressed that they are from Texas. Most people don't really care.
Don't get me wrong I think it is great that you take pride in where you live. More people should. Just have not had the same experiences as you.
 
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