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Should The U.S. Have an Open Borders Policy?

Should The U.S. Have an Open Borders Policy?


  • Total voters
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Yes, let anyone come to the US as they wish.

No, ask everyone that is coming across our border if they intend to kill us.

Other, when you come across sign up for Obamacare and Medicaid, we love you and want to take care of you. Come one and come all. We have yobs and medical and if no yobs we pay you to stay.

I am fairly liberal minded on every issue except immigration. I live in California and I can see what is happening to this state. It is turning into a little Mexico. The town I live in is 77% Hispanic and I know most of them are not here legally. I fear for the future of California.
 
Does open borders mean no security as well? No screening? No ability to close them against the violence of drug cartels or epidemics? Identify potential terrorists?
 
I am fairly liberal minded on every issue except immigration. I live in California and I can see what is happening to this state. It is turning into a little Mexico. The town I live in is 77% Hispanic and I know most of them are not here legally. I fear for the future of California.

I know California very well and I agree with you comply. Marietta, CA where they are dumping illegals off from buses and planes is tearing the city apart. Protesters on both sides yelling and screaming at each other. It's a total mess and our border is in crises mode and unfortunately Obama is going to do nothing about it. Except to maybe ask congress for money to house, feed, provide medical care, educate them etc etc.
 
AFAIK there is no nation on Earth with such a policy. Extreme foolishness.
 
Does open borders mean no security as well? No screening? No ability to close them against the violence of drug cartels or epidemics? Identify potential terrorists?

Open border is what we have now. Anything and everything, including people just walk across the border. Our laws are not being enforced at the border, thus it is a parade of people good or the bad that want to kill us and bringing anything they want. That is exactly what is going on right now. Our border is in crises mode and Obama is doing nothing about it.
 
Every country should. It's one of those 'inalienable rights' us humans are endowed with by our creator, if you catch my drift, to travel and live wherever we wish on this planet. No arbitrarily established and phoney ass government gets to interfere with that.

You may think you have an "inalienable right" but try walking into N Korea or Iran and see how far you get. Thus you have no inalienable right. So much for that.
 
Open border is what we have now. Anything and everything, including people just walk across the border. Our laws are not being enforced at the border, thus it is a parade of people good or the bad that want to kill us and bringing anything they want. That is exactly what is going on right now. Our border is in crises mode and Obama is doing nothing about it.

This is incorrect.
 
As I stated, there needs to be jobs program making it as easy as possible to get a public works job, regardless of where they were born.

Nice try but where is the money coming from to set up a jobs program to employ millions of Americans out of work today and just as many millions of illegals or immigrants walking across.

The notion that only immigrants are benefiting from this is not true. Also, I don't support any tax hikes on the working class. The ones I've proposed are increased tax rates mostly on the top 10%.

Everything a liberal wants, you want it paid for by the top 10%. I can't tell you how many times heard that from lefties that want to take if from the top 10% to pay for their pet program. Problem is soon there is no more rich, it's all gone to pay for you're pet projects.

But you are correct if you're referring to how the upper class is essentially in control of our elections. A welfare system should be designed so that it can lift one out of poverty in addition to a job. The poor aren't going to sit on their benefits and not find a job unless they can't find one.

Now your talking about more welfare to lift on out of poverty, where is all that money coming from. Yeah I know the top 10%.
 
The U.S. should be one of the world's most difficult countries to immigrate to. It has plenty of people to sustain a successful economy.
 
Everything a liberal wants, you want it paid for by the top 10%. I can't tell you how many times heard that from lefties that want to take if from the top 10% to pay for their pet program. Problem is soon there is no more rich, it's all gone to pay for you're pet projects.



Now your talking about more welfare to lift on out of poverty, where is all that money coming from. Yeah I know the top 10%.

I do not think he realizes that if the country keeps getting flooded with more and more people that the top 10% shrinks or the definition of what is the top 10% is gets expanded to include what we now consider middle class.
 
I voted NO since it is simply not practical. The USA would be flooded with many times the numbers we now consider problematic. When it comes down to basics - if a country cannot defend and control its borders - really people, what the hell can they do?
 
I'm genuinely curious how you believe the massive social state that the left tends to desire can possibly function with open borders. If boatloads of immigrants from third world countries arrive on American shores with no job opportunities and no job skills, how can we pay for the sustenance? What jobs will they work when we already have millions of unemployed Americans? Where will the money come from to support and provide for millions of immigrants?

That's not important, what matters is that everyone think we care.



/sarcasm
 
You may think you have an "inalienable right" but try walking into N Korea or Iran and see how far you get. Thus you have no inalienable right. So much for that.

I would actually not have a problem with a borderless planet and a single, representative world government, but I doubt it will happen any time in the foreseeable future.
 
I would actually not have a problem with a borderless planet and a single, representative world government, but I doubt it will happen any time in the foreseeable future.

The idea single world government in this day and age quite frankly scares the crap out of me.
 
I would actually not have a problem with a borderless planet and a single, representative world government, but I doubt it will happen any time in the foreseeable future.

Yeah, don't hold your breath, never going to happen in any foreseeable future.
 
If you make the nation an open boarder state, then the country loses it's sovereignty.
 
I am fairly liberal minded on every issue except immigration. I live in California and I can see what is happening to this state. It is turning into a little Mexico. The town I live in is 77% Hispanic and I know most of them are not here legally. I fear for the future of California.

I'm going to expand on this a bit, because I can see people foaming at the mouth and shaking fists at your "intolerance".

I've lived in California most of my life. Went to school with farmworkers' children, played with them, had crushes on them, learned to love the culture, food and music of Mexico (primarily Mexicans at that time, although now Central Americans are, I believe, a large percentage of illegal immigrants). There was never a question of bigotry, of intolerance, and the only high school rivalries I ever saw were between high schools competing on the football field.

Fast forward to the Reagan years. Illegal immigration had become a problem. The 405 Fwy. outside of San Diego had huge, blinking signs... "Warning!! Watch for Pedestrians on the Freeway!!" There were 2 million illegals in the US at that time, and Reagan wanted to give amnesty, promising to strengthen the border to stave off the flood. I was, "Oh hell yes!! Amnesty all the way!" I thought it a swell idea... until the words "amnesty" reached Mexico and that 2 million immigrants swelled to 5 million almost overnight.

California communities suddenly saw huge groups of migrants gathering outside shopping malls, parking lots, schools. Most were just looking for work, but it was unnerving when parents sent their kids past groups of 30-40 or more men just to get to school. Construction jobs dried up, because migrants did the work cheaper. Restaurant jobs, landscaping, service industry, janitorial services, retail, just about every entry level job in the community was filled by migrants, leaving the kids of citizens no place to find that first job, that first apprenticeship, that introduction into earning a living. Exploitation of immigrants was rampant; no benefits, cash-under-the-table below minimum wages. People moved away, seeking work. Communities withered and decayed, as home ownership suburbs turned into basically slums with distant landlords.

Fast forward to today. Now we have over 20 million undocumented migrants (forget the 12 million that they've been using for the past 20 years, at the same time they confess that the number is growing by an average of 1.5 million per year). Over 70 hospitals in California alone have closed down directly attributed to the exorbitant expense of caring for undocumented pregnant women and their babies. Welfare costs have skyrocketed, because migrants now come into the country with maps and directions on how to sign up for ADC benefits, and know in advance that California welfare & medical facilities are not allowed to ascertain legal status before handing over benefits and services.

Identity theft is unprecedented, with millions of stolen social security and green card numbers used by undocumented workers, which totally screws the people who legitimately own those stolen numbers, and of course no income tax is ever paid by those holding stolen numbers. These cards, forged birth records, etc., are sold by the tens of thousands out of garages and car trunks, brazenly parked in the open. When those operations were closed down by authorities in LA, there was a massive protest at city hall some years back demanding that the dealers of stolen SS/green cards and other forged documents be released and allowed to continue providing this "necessary service" to those who needed it... i.e., illegal immigrants.

This has become an absolute crisis in California... an economic crisis, an exploitation crisis, a humanitarian crisis, a medical care crisis and a crisis for citizens whose lives have been irreparably damaged by sometimes dozens of illegals using their social security/green card numbers.

I realize it's simple for those around the country who have never been personally affected by illegal immigration to shrug and say, "So what? They are nice people who just want to work. What's the problem?"

The problem is that every other country on the planet has a right to control immigration based upon that country's ability to absorb a population, and to select a population that can contribute to society without first draining it. The USA is being drained, drained by nice people, good people, people who just want a better life, but people who nevertheless the USA cannot economically absorb without limit.

I know this is long, so I'll stop. But what I've written about barely scratches the surface of this terribly complex situation, a situation that a half-dozen administrations have caused because of political pressure for cheap labor by the corporate wallets that get them elected, and voter coercion by ever-increasing numbers of Hispanic groups.

So hell no, the US should not have open borders, and the government should be forced to do what it is constitutionally charged to do... protect and secure those borders in accordance with US law.
 
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