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Mitt Romney in 2016: Yes, or No?

Does it make sense for Romney t run again?

  • Absoutely. He's by far the best shot the RNC has.

    Votes: 9 9.4%

  • He might be good if he can shake the 47% remark he made.

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • I really don't care who the RNC puts up at this point

    Votes: 10 10.4%

  • The guy is DOA. Find some new blood.

    Votes: 46 47.9%

  • History suggests that he should not run again.

    Votes: 30 31.3%
  • Total voters
    96
  • Poll closed .
There is only one successful candidate for POTUS that I remember overcoming the memes attached to him by the opposition in his previous run for the office - Nixon.
 
No. History shows that it'd be unwise.

He lost to the guy who lost in '08.
He lost in '12.
 
tres borrachos said:
What controversy? He released 2010 and 2011. What more did anyone need? None.
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7 years; 5 minimum. Many P candidates release up to 12 years.

It's typical for presidential candidates to release 10 or 11 years of returns, Clinton says | PolitiFact

...our fact-check here is intended to gauge what’s "typical" for presidential candidates. As our tally above indicates, though, there's a lot of variation in how many tax returns candidates released. Mathematically speaking, our tally shows the median number of tax returns released to be seven and a half. But individual candidates released anywhere from 30 to one.
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laska said:
If it's widely talked about, I've never heard it except from coming across it on the internet and have been LDS basically entire life and lived in Orem for a couple of years. It definitely is not official doctrine. It is fringe internet stuff with unverified sources. The supposed prophecy is that the constitution would be hanging by the thread and the LDS people will save it. Maybe in Utah some people may think that means Romney, who knows.
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I heard this at several "fireside" talks and youth conference "signs of the times" talks. Nobody every specifically mentioned Romney by name...(this was back in the early 1980's). However, every speaker was very clear that in the final days a Mormon would be President and would lead the country through the "apocalypse". Maybe it got toned down in later years....but it definitely was taught.
 
I think it's a terrible idea. Again, I have to say, is that the BEST candidate they can come up with? :roll: He just seems so "polished" and so "politician like." I can't trust him. I feel the same way about Obama. I swear these people are birthed and bred to become politicians.
 
iguanaman said:
If Romney was so "transparent" why didn't he release his tax returns like the rest of the Presidential candidates? There must be something he doesn't want us to know.
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Because he would have exposed the financial circumstances of dozens of others who didn't deserve to have that information made public just because he was running for President.
 
tres borrachos said:
What on Earth are you talking about? Romney released his tax returns. Here are all 379 pages of them.

http://images.politico.com/global/2012/09/mitt_and_ann_romney_2011_1040.html
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Do you think I am stupid?

In an interview set to air on NBC's "Rock Center" tonight, Ann Romney reiterated the now-familar position of she and her husband when it comes to putting any more than their 2010 and 2011 returns out: No way, no how.

“We have been very transparent to what’s legally required of us,” Ann Romney told NBC's Natalie Morales. “There’s going to be no more tax releases given.”

Ann Romney's insistence that she and her husband have done everything "legally" required of them in regards paying their taxes has been a regular refrain from the Romney family, -- a refrain that seems to miss the point that the debate over their tax returns isn't playing out in a court of law, it's playing out in a political campaign. And the rules of engagement and the burden of proof in political fights are far different than in legal brouhahas
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Why Mitt Romney isn’t releasing his tax returns, part 563 - The Washington Post
 
AlbqOwl said:
Because he would have exposed the financial circumstances of dozens of others who didn't deserve to have that information made public just because he was running for President.
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And Romney was "special" because? All the other candidates released them and have since Romney's father started it many years ago. His father also stated that any candidate that wouldn't release several years of back tax returns was "hiding something".
 
disneydude said:
I heard this at several "fireside" talks and youth conference "signs of the times" talks. Nobody every specifically mentioned Romney by name...(this was back in the early 1980's). However, every speaker was very clear that in the final days a Mormon would be President and would lead the country through the "apocalypse". Maybe it got toned down in later years....but it definitely was taught.
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I grew up in the eighties/nineties and have never seen that at any firesides. The LDS first presidency/twelve apostles have never taught this. What most likely happened was that whoever was in charge of the firesides at the ward or wards in the area that you attended believed these unsubstantiated prepper/conspiracy type rumors, and got hold of some tapes created by these types. It is not official doctrine and is outside mainstream LDS.
 
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laska said:
I grew up in the eighties/nineties and have never seen that at any firesides. The LDS first presidency/twelve apostles have never taught this. What most likely happened was that whoever was in charge of the firesides at the ward or wards in the area that you attended believed these unsubstantiated prepper/conspiracy type rumors, and got hold of some tapes created by these types. It is not official doctrine and is outside mainstream LDS.
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Thats possible....but I heard it taught several times in different areas of the Salt Lake Valley area. I would estimate on about 3-4 different occassions. I don't discount your assertion that it is not mainstream LDS doctrine from the mouths of those in the highest levels...but the belief it is more widespread that you are contending and had to have come from somewhere....and its not fringe groups promoting it, these were all well respected church going Mormons teaching this.
 
disneydude said:
Thats possible....but I heard it taught several times in different areas of the Salt Lake Valley area. I would estimate on about 3-4 different occassions. I don't discount your assertion that it is not mainstream LDS doctrine from the mouths of those in the highest levels...but the belief it is more widespread that you are contending and had to have come from somewhere....and its not fringe groups promoting it, these were all well respected church going Mormons teaching this.
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The rumored prophecy that the Constitution would hang by a thread and be saved by the LDS is a rumor likely commonly known, although it is unsubstantiated and not official doctrine. The belief that this unverified "prophecy" means that there would a LDS president is not widespread.
 
laska said:
It is not official doctrine and is outside mainstream LDS.
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What about Blacks not being allowed into the clergy? Why did that change when their tax exempt status was in jeopardy?
 
reinoe said:
What about Blacks not being allowed into the clergy? Why did that change when their tax exempt status was in jeopardy?
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When Brigham Young enacted the policy, he stated there would be a later time when those of black African descent would also have the priesthood. It has never been revealed why the policy was enacted. In 1978 the restriction was lifted. The LDS were anti-slavery, the Book of Mormon is a critique against racism and states the following: 33 For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.-2 Nephi 26:33

While most other churches in the U.S. were segregated and many supported slavery, the LDS was just the opposite. My theory as to why there was a temporary ban on the priesthood is that free agency is a fundamental principle of the priesthood. It wasn't until after WW2 that African nations began to free themselves from imperial rule by Europeans, and not until after the Civil Rights movement that blacks and whites could even use the same water fountain down South. There are other possibilities for the restriction. Maybe white people were not righteous enough and ready for total integration and it was delayed to a later date. In LDS theology those in this life who do not have the opportunity to have the full blessings of the gospel but who would have embraced it if given the chance, will have all those blessings in the hereafter. No blessing will be denied to them. One last thing, in the Bible the priesthood has always been denied to cerain lineages, while others have been given access. With no explanation why. Only the tribe of Levi could hold the priesthood during the time of Moses. The gentiles were not to be taught the gospel while Jesus was with the Israelites in person but when He ascended to the Father the apostles were given by revelation that the time had come to bring the gospel to the gentiles. Today all people have access to every blessing of the gospel, as the early LDS prophets stated would happen.
 
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iguanaman said:
If Romney was so "transparent" why didn't he release his tax returns like the rest of the Presidential candidates? There must be something he doesn't want us to know.
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I knew there had to be someone, somewhere, who actually believes Harry Reid.
 
laska said:
The rumored prophecy that the Constitution would hang by a thread and be saved by the LDS is a rumor likely commonly known, although it is unsubstantiated and not official doctrine. The belief that this unverified "prophecy" means that there would a LDS president is not widespread.
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OK....maybe in your circles. But I heard it several times throughout Murray, Millcreek, West Jordan and Salt Lake....it wasn't just once, it was several times, all by people who were good standing Mormons....not some fringe group. There was a lot of talk about it during the last Presidential election as well...so you can't say that it is not widespread. It may not be official Mormon doctrine but it is more widespread than you are willing to admit.
 
Grant said:
And this is why you thought Barrack Obama would make a better President?
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No, Mitt's waffling nature made it clear that Obama is a better president than Romney could ever hope to be.
 
disneydude said:
OK....maybe in your circles. But I heard it several times throughout Murray, Millcreek, West Jordan and Salt Lake....it wasn't just once, it was several times, all by people who were good standing Mormons....not some fringe group. There was a lot of talk about it during the last Presidential election as well...so you can't say that it is not widespread. It may not be official Mormon doctrine but it is more widespread than you are willing to admit.
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I'd have no problem admitting it if it was fact. I am LDS and have not heard anything like that. You stated you attended some meetings back in 1982 and so now you know that it is widespread. OK, believe what you want.
 
laska said:
I'd have no problem admitting it if it was fact. I am LDS and have not heard anything like that. You stated you attended some meetings back in 1982 and so now you know that it is widespread. OK, believe what you want.
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Did you even pay attention during the last election. It wasn't just in 1982......it was widely reported even as recently as 2012
 
calamity said:
No, Mitt's waffling nature made it clear that Obama is a better president than Romney could ever hope to be.
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Yes, Obama's Hope and Change has certainly restored America's greatness in the world and it seems clear that since he was first elected President the rise of the oceans have begun to slow, except for Sandy of course, and our planet has begun to heal.

Mitt Romney was only an incredibly successful businessman who created thousands of jobs while Barrack was an ocean slower and a planet healer. I can understand why he received your support.
 
disneydude said:
OK....maybe in your circles. But I heard it several times throughout Murray, Millcreek, West Jordan and Salt Lake....it wasn't just once, it was several times, all by people who were good standing Mormons....not some fringe group. There was a lot of talk about it during the last Presidential election as well...so you can't say that it is not widespread. It may not be official Mormon doctrine but it is more widespread than you are willing to admit.
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JFK was subject to much of this same stuff when he was the first Catholic who ran for President. I wasn't surprised it happened to Romney and no doubt the first Jew will suffer much the same suspicions and criticisms.
 
Grant said:
Yes, Obama's Hope and Change has certainly restored America's greatness in the world and it seems clear that since he was first elected President the rise of the oceans have begun to slow, except for Sandy of course, and our planet has begun to heal.

Mitt Romney was only an incredibly successful businessman who created thousands of jobs while Barrack was an ocean slower and a planet healer. I can understand why he received your support.
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Romney cost thousands their jobs and bankrupted a dozen companies. Spit out the Kool Aids before it kills ya.

2012 GOP presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney, who has a large lead in the polls heading into the New Hampshire primary tomorrow, has been taking heat from both Democrats and his Republican challengers for his time at Bain Capital, the private equity firm that he headed. Bain’s modus operandi was to invest in companies, leverage them up with debt, and then sell them off for scrap, allowing Bain’s investors to walk away with huge profits while the companies in which Bain invested wound up in bankruptcy, laying off workers and reneging on benefits.

Last week, Reuters profiled one company, Worldwide Grinding Systems, that went belly up after Bain invested in it. The company not only lost 750 jobs, but the federal government had to come in to bail out its pension fund, while Bain walked away with millions in profits.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/01/09/400404/romney-bain-bankrupts-billions/
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