Mitt Romney in 2016: Yes, or No?

Kobie said:

I was responding to Grant, not you, and it's simply his general M.O. But I'll "grant" (ha ha) that this time, he didn't explicitly state just liberals did this. This time.

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And Grant was responding to me, not you.

calamity said:

If he wasn't already married, I would think that post was working toward asking him out on a date. :lol:

We are talking about a one-term governor from a teeny-tiny, liberal NE state, and the guy who headed up the most corrupt Olympics in history. Oh, a d his business dealings are nothing to brag about since all he did was get rich by scavenging decaying companies at the expense of banks and taxpayers. :roll:

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"Teeny-tiny" Massachusetts has the 14th largest population and the 44th largest size.

You must have really disrespected JFK, who was also from this teeny-tiny liberal NE state.

Grant said:

It was you who mentioned 'charisma', not 'the voters'.

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And it's you who insinuated that I only cared for Charisma. Stop making up things and you won't get called out for it.

Grant said:

Leftists only 'understand ' left' and 'right', not understanding that Independents can laugh or be critical of either of them.

Not near as free as it used to be.

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Wow, bigger hack than a hack saw.

You're entire posting history is just you lying and complaining about leftists and frankly saying some pretty spiteful things. Don' try to deny who you are, it isn't healthy.

calamity said:

They are essentially the party of old white men and a few of their women. They have virtually no support among the young, hispanics, blacks, gays, or women in general.

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Well when us "old white men" and our money are gone. Enjoy living in your third world slum.

At this point does it really matter? From what I can see the GOP has done little to win over much of the minority vote, have done little to appeal to youth and will lose a lot of women voters who will more than likely vote for a female candidate like Clinton. It will be a bloodbath.

Kobie said:

Which I found bizarre and is not a good electoral harbinger for the GOP in Miami-Dade (the purplest of the purple electoral areas in FL), especially considering the GOP's "tough on communism" reputation which made the Cuban voting bloc in South Florida extremely pro-GOP. If the GOP is losing THEM, they're in serious trouble with the Latino vote.

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To top it all off, they refuse to acknowledge that the problem might be with the party rather than the voters. They think they just need to repackage the message better, failing to understand that the message is the problem.

tres borrachos said:

And Grant was responding to me, not you.

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Good morning TB - Liberals don't like to be interrupted when they're making a non-point. It throws them off their daily talking points.

tres borrachos said:

"Teeny-tiny" Massachusetts has the 14th largest population and the 44th largest size.

You must have really disrespected JFK, who was also from this teeny-tiny liberal NE state.

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Gosh, don't throw logic at a liberal - that's inhumane. Good thing you didn't point out that the sainted and somewhat satiated Bill Clinton was from that humungous State of Arkansas.

CanadaJohn said:

Gosh, don't throw logic at a liberal - that's inhumane. Good thing you didn't point out that the sainted and somewhat satiated Bill Clinton was from that humungous State of Arkansas.

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I forgot about that. Yes we all know what a gigantic state Arkansas is, and how it dramatically impacts the overall health and well-being of the USA in so many ways.

VanceMack said:

That she is white is problematic for the democrats because a white candidate (and especially an all white ticket) wont inspire minority turnout. It is highly unlikely after 8 years of Obama and 8 years of an ever increasing worsening of problems in the black and Hispanic community that they will be inspired to vote, much less for a white candidate. Democrats need a minority candidate, and pretty much ANY minority candidate will do. I still think Corey Booker will be the veep niominee.

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The black vote has historically been strong for democrats.




And judging from the actions of the republicans lately, I don't see that changing for a while. The right just keeps gift wrapping the minority vote every election cycle to the democrats.

He's certainly not my first or even my hundreth choice, but in a binary choice between him and whatever socialist nutjob the Democrats fart out, he'd have to look pretty good by comparison.

I don't foresee him winning a primary again if he tried. I don't expect he will run again.

I think he's made a career of political opportunism and trying to blend in too much based upon where he's running and what he's running for. He doesn't seem to have much by way of actual principles and you can tell. That sort of obvious cynical smarm is very unattractive in a candidate for leadership, and it doesn't exactly rally the troops to get out the support you need to win.

If the GOP ran him again I'd probably just vote for the LP candidate or no one, depending on the quality of the LP candidate. The only thing that might sway me would be the possibility of Democrats winning my state. As of right now, that's a laughable proposition.

Grant said:

Thanks for that. Why would you vote Hillary over Romney? What qualifications does she have that Romney lacks?

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Frankly, I don't think there have been too many presidents in our history who have actually been truly "qualified" in any way to be president.

When you look at the things that conventional wisdom counts as strong qualifications you find that some presidents who held those qualifications were good, and sometimes even great, presidents, and other times guys who have held those same (or similar enough to be essentially the same) qualifications were below average, and sometimes even lousy, presidents.

If I had to list Mitt Romney's core "qualifications" I'd say that on paper they include a good education, partial ownership of a successfully run business (though how much of that success can be attributed directly to Romney is unknown), and a moderately successful stint as governor.

What's not to love?

Right?

Well, throw in an honorable, if not terribly distinguished, spell as a military officer in a very demanding specialty and you've described Jimmy Carter.

So on paper Romney shares "qualifications" with, and even manages to lack some of the qualifications of, arguably, one of the worst presidents in this nation's history.

I guess my point is that I don't necessarily look overmuch at conventional qualifications when choosing a president.

Of course they're important, as I'd like to see that the candidate has at least done something more with his life than lay on the couch smoking pot, but I don't think that even the best "qualifications" are a sure sign, or even a good indicator, that a candidate will make a successful president.

So what I do is look at the whole candidate; his "qualifications", the positions he takes and the policies he supports, whether he has a stiff back or sways in the wind, the truths and lies he tells, how he treats other people, how he relates to other people, and etc...

At least in so far as it is possible for me to do so.

And when I do that with Hillary and Romney Hillary comes out the end of that process as the lesser scumbag of the two.

And make no mistake, I think they're both absolute scum and among the worst that this country has produced in terms of human beings.

So I choose the one that offends and repulses me less on a visceral level.

Dooble said:

I stumbled across an article that talks about a possible third presidential campaign for Mitt Romney in 2016. Now before you role your eyes and pronounce this notion officially deceased. I encourage you to read the article below, first.

America needs Mitt Romney in 2016 - San Francisco Bay Area Moderate Conservative | Examiner.com

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I hope Mitt Romney will save himself the time, money and effort of another Presidential run. He should kick back and enjoy his family and a well deserved retirement.

Personally I get so weary and discouraged that the American electorate is so caught up in the political correctness mode that the best person is never considered anymore--it's only the one that the party can market effectively.

Mitt Romney would probably be the best qualified for the job President we have EVER had if he could be elected and he also seems to have the character and temperament and ability to know how to get things done. But can he be marketed? Not the last time around and, from what I'm reading in this thread, he won't be given a chance this time either. Nobody seems to care who he is and what he might be able to accomplish. It's all in the image that he is portrayed.

I don't know if he is the best choice for the job, but it sure looks unlikely that the highly partisan and ideological fanatics will even consider whether he is or is not. And that, for America, is tragic.

Grant said:

Hillary made millions also but she did it by talking while he did it by doing something productive.

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I thought Bill and Hillary were pretty much broke.

AlbqOwl said:

Personally I get so weary and discouraged that the American electorate is so caught up in the political correctness mode that the best person is never considered anymore--it's only the one that the party can market effectively.

Mitt Romney would probably be the best qualified for the job President we have EVER had if he could be elected and he also seems to have the character and temperament and ability to know how to get things done. But can he be marketed? Not the last time around and, from what I'm reading in this thread, he won't be given a chance this time either. Nobody seems to care who he is and what he might be able to accomplish. It's all in the image that he is portrayed.

I don't know if he is the best choice for the job, but it sure looks unlikely that the highly partisan and ideological fanatics will even consider whether he is or is not. And that, for America, is tragic.

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What on earth makes you say he was "probably" one of the best candidates ever?

Deuce said:

What on earth makes you say he was "probably" one of the best candidates ever?

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I dunno. What on earth makes you say that I said that when I didn't?

AlbqOwl said:

I dunno. What on earth makes you say that I said that when I didn't?

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Gee I don't know maybe it's the part where you said exactly that?

Mitt Romney would probably be the best qualified for the job President we have EVER had if he could be elected

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CRUE CAB said:

Well when us "old white men" and our money are gone. Enjoy living in your third world slum.

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Hmmm...sounds like racism to me.

Deuce said:

Gee I don't know maybe it's the part where you said exactly that?

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No. I said he was probably the best qualified for the job if he could be elected. That is a very different thing than saying he was or is or would be the best candidate.

tres borrachos said:

"Teeny-tiny" Massachusetts has the 14th largest population and the 44th largest size.

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Yeah being 44th out of 50 certainly is something to brag about :lol:

14th....pretty much says at least 13 states, 25%, are bigger than Mass. Eh? :roll:

You must have really disrespected JFK, who was also from this teeny-tiny liberal NE state.

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JFK was the most overrated president in US history. Had he not been shot, he'd be hated.

calamity said:

Yeah being 44th out of 50 certainly is something to brag about :lol:

14th....pretty much says at least 13 states, 25%, are bigger than Mass. Eh? :roll:


JFK was the most overrated president in US history. Had he not been shot, he'd be hated.

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Land mass. Alaska has the biggest land mass. So then I guess we agree that Sarah Palin was an important governor because her state was gigantic.

tres borrachos said:

Land mass. Alaska has the biggest land mass. So then I guess we agree that Sarah Palin was an important governor because her state was gigantic.

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Not to mention she could see Putin showering from her back porch.

AlbqOwl said:

No. I said he was probably the best qualified for the job if he could be elected. That is a very different thing than saying he was or is or would be the best candidate.

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Wow, takes a lot of effort to nitpick like that. So, rephrased question:

What on earth makes you think he was the best qualified?