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Bush vs Obama

Bush vs Obama overall who did a better job on all matters.


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If we were to take a closer look at the day by day acounts of these 2 administrations, clearly Obama wins. How quicky the gop forgets the mess they made. One of the dumbest things i heard on fox news was we were safer under bush AFTER 9 11. Well did it happen on the gop watch. Give me a break Obama has been cleaning up the mess bush and his war buddys made for over 5 years now.
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Nonsense.

How childish and irresponsible is it to 6 years into a administration to STILL blame the last President ?

Low information Americans who are easily manipulated have really screwed this Country up.

People that equated platitudes and bumper sticker slogans to Presidential qualifications in 2008 and 2012 have now devolved down to pathetically blaming their profound limitations on a President that hasn't been in office in 6 years.

Obama has made things far worse, and the supposed " mess " he inherited was simply the fallout of a Democrat iniative to mandate " equal credit ".

Do all of us a big favor.

Promise you won't vote for another 20 years
 
America has voted.
OBAMA SUCKS!

BTW: if you are advertising your site, it's not allowed.
 
In matters of making a mess of things, Bush takes the crown.
 
neither have impressed me with their competence.
 
How childish and irresponsible is it to 6 years into a administration to STILL blame the last President ?

I still blame the last President for the horrific state of the economy in 2008-2009. In case you have not noticed, we have had a strong recovery since Obama took office, and if would if been stronger if not for Republican obstruction - they were determined to make Obama fail regardless of the consequence for the country.

Low information Americans who are easily manipulated have really screwed this Country up.

I share your concern, but there is nothing you can do to stop Fox News.
 
neither have impressed me with their competence.

but both impressed me with their incompetence.

Who was worse, Barorge Obambush, or Georack Buboma? I suppose history will tell, if they can tell Tweedledee from Tweedledum.
 
If we were to take a closer look at the day by day acounts of these 2 administrations, clearly Obama wins. How quicky the gop forgets the mess they made. One of the dumbest things i heard on fox news was we were safer under bush AFTER 9 11. Well did it happen on the gop watch. Give me a break Obama has been cleaning up the mess bush and his war buddys made for over 5 years now.
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Using your terror attack deaths in the US since 9/11/2001 metrics then Bush wins since none occurred until 2009 in Ft. Hood (called workplace violence by Obama instead of a terror attack) and, of course, the Boston marathon bombing.

Boston Marathon Bombing: A Timeline Of Terrorist Attacks On US Targets Since 9/11
 
I still blame the last President for the horrific state of the economy in 2008-2009. In case you have not noticed, we have had a strong recovery since Obama took office, and if would if been stronger if not for Republican obstruction - they were determined to make Obama fail regardless of the consequence for the country.



I share your concern, but there is nothing you can do to stop Fox News.


Yea, please stop voting.

I mean really, what a desperately innane and ignorant statement that was.

That we've had a "strong recovery " since 2008.

You cant just show up here and make stuff up

I mean you can, I wouldn't expect anything else from you, but don't think you're not going to get challenged.

6 years in and we just had a 3 percent contraction in our economy, and thats after 7 Trillion in new structural debt since

20 Million plus people added to the unemployment roles, and disability rates have more than doubled.

Labor participation rates are near record lows and there are plenty of PART TIME Positions.

Poverty rates have increased and more and Americans have neen introduced to chronic unemployment.

" strong recovery " ? Only in your delsusion driven alternative reality
 
If we were to take a closer look at the day by day acounts of these 2 administrations, clearly Obama wins. How quicky the gop forgets the mess they made. One of the dumbest things i heard on fox news was we were safer under bush AFTER 9 11. Well did it happen on the gop watch. Give me a break Obama has been cleaning up the mess bush and his war buddys made for over 5 years now.
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Barack Obama, George W. Bush: Who Was The Worst President? [Poll]

In my book both Bush and Obama are below average presidents. Perhaps you should have asked who is doing the least worst job on all matters.
 
Yea, please stop voting.

I mean really, what a desperately innane and ignorant statement that was.

That we've had a "strong recovery " since 2008.

You cant just show up here and make stuff up

I mean you can, I wouldn't expect anything else from you, but don't think you're not going to get challenged.

6 years in and we just had a 3 percent contraction in our economy, and thats after 7 Trillion in new structural debt since

20 Million plus people added to the unemployment roles, and disability rates have more than doubled.

Labor participation rates are near record lows and there are plenty of PART TIME Positions.

Poverty rates have increased and more and Americans have neen introduced to chronic unemployment.

" strong recovery " ? Only in your delsusion driven alternative reality

Wait how about nearly 50,000,000 on food stamps? I know I know its good for the economy.
 
Bush is better than Obama on taxes, spending, regulation and economic growth
Bush is better than Obama on national security and foreign affairs
Bush is better than Obama on protecting and promoting Americans' rights to life, liberty and property
Bush is better than Obama on representing American ideals and American exceptionalism
Bush is better than Obama at not demonizing his opponents and attempting to earnestly appeal to all Americans
Bush is better than Obama at obeying the law and protecting, preserving and defending the Constitution

The only thing where Obama > Bush is in sucking at his job and destroying the country.
 
The only thing where Obama > Bush is in sucking at his job and destroying the country.
Who said Obama gets no credit from Conservatives! Bipartisanship lives!
 
In order for a single individual or even an entire Administration to work meaningful changes in the order of society, it needs a lifetime, and probably a dynasty spanning multiple generations. That's how long it takes to get hundreds of millions of people to change their behavior and expectations.

Bush and Obama are merely stewards for collectivized will of the D.C. power structure. They are incapable of exercising much will, agency, or leadership because there wasn't enough time for either of them to begin working the slow, gradual changes that would allow them (or rather their great grandsons) to have the society they would have preferred.
 
In order for a single individual or even an entire Administration to work meaningful changes in the order of society, it needs a lifetime, and probably a dynasty spanning multiple generations. That's how long it takes to get hundreds of millions of people to change their behavior and expectations.

Bush and Obama are merely stewards for collectivized will of the D.C. power structure. They are incapable of exercising much will, agency, or leadership because there wasn't enough time for either of them to begin working the slow, gradual changes that would allow them (or rather their great grandsons) to have the society they would have preferred.
Perhaps the role of the President of the United States is to faithfully execute the law and to uphold the Constitution, not to "get hundreds of millions of people to change their behavior and expectations" or to "have the society they would have preferred"?

Radical idea, I know.
 
Perhaps the role of the President of the United States is to faithfully execute the law and to uphold the Constitution, not to "get hundreds of millions of people to change their behavior and expectations" or to "have the society they would have preferred"?

Radical idea, I know.

U.S. Constitution was written to govern a frontier society where independence and self-reliance were the order of the day because nothing else could be relied upon. We live in the 21st century and face 21st century threats. The U.S. Constitution is nowhere near equal to the task of governing us anymore. Instead of just getting rid of it and forming a new government and a new constitution the way we should have (at 1860, 1900, and 1945) we've allowed these cancerous growths to form.

At a certain time, formerly useful legal systems become redundant and must be discarded. Hammurabi's Code has enormous flaws, but the idea of a justice system based on abstract principles universal in their application in a society where justice was predicated on family and tribal ties was a great leap forward, echoing from the cradle of civilization across time to work its influence in the laws we enjoy today.
 
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Bush made it easier to get a mortgage.
Obama made it even easier and still thinks it's too hard.

Bush increased spending.
Obama increased it further.

Bush increased the debt.
Obama increased it faster.

Bush increased health spending.
Obama increased it further.

Bush Ousted Saddam.
Obama did a surge in Afghanistan, intervened in Libya and wanted to intervene in Syria.

Bush supported the Patriot Act.
Obama supported the Patriot Act.

Bush did warrantless wiretaps.
Obama quadrupled them. Obama also added the AP scandal and the Verizon scandal.

Bush cracked down on medical marijuana.
Obama cracked down harder.

Bush lacked transparency.
Obama is even less transparent.

Bush waited for Congress to recess before doing recess appointments.
Obama did recess appointments when Congress wasn't in recess.
 
U.S. Constitution was written to govern a frontier society where independence and self-reliance were the order of the day because nothing else could be relied upon. We live in the 21st century and face 21st century threats. The U.S. Constitution is nowhere near equal to the task of governing us anymore. Instead of just getting rid of it and forming a new government and a new constitution the way we should have (at 1860, 1900, and 1945) we've allowed these cancerous growths to form.

At a certain time, formerly useful legal systems become redundant and must be discarded. Hammurabi's Code has enormous flaws, but the idea of a justice system based on abstract principles there were universal in their application in a society where justice was predicated on family and tribal ties was a great leap forward, echoing from the cradle of civilization across time to work its influence in the laws we enjoy today.
Too many flaws here to rebut, but if anything has changed over the past two centuries, it is the people, not the Constitution. There is nothing wrong with our governing document when individuals are capable of self-governance. You're placing blame on the wrong entity.
 
Yea, please stop voting.

I mean really, what a desperately innane and ignorant statement that was.

That we've had a "strong recovery " since 2008.

You cant just show up here and make stuff up

I mean you can, I wouldn't expect anything else from you, but don't think you're not going to get challenged.

6 years in and we just had a 3 percent contraction in our economy, and thats after 7 Trillion in new structural debt since

20 Million plus people added to the unemployment roles, and disability rates have more than doubled.

Labor participation rates are near record lows and there are plenty of PART TIME Positions.

Poverty rates have increased and more and Americans have neen introduced to chronic unemployment.

" strong recovery " ? Only in your delsusion driven alternative reality

Add 50 million on food stamps to your list. These strong recoveries sure ain't what they used to be!
 
Too many flaws here to rebut, but if anything has changed over the past two centuries, it is the people, not the Constitution. There is nothing wrong with our governing document when individuals are capable of self-governance. You're placing blame on the wrong entity.

Well, that's just your opinion, man.

I might ask why you think the U.S. Constitution is so special when none of the Founding Fathers -- even the ones who supported its adoption -- thought of it as a magical document. For the most part, response was muted in the same way liberals and conservatives respond to Obama Care. Hamilton's camp thought they needed even more central power, Jefferson's thought they needed to stick closer to the original to the Articles. Everyone was pretty surly and pissed, but they needed something that would allow them to form a government that could face the imperial powers of Europe on equal diplomatic and military footing that they couldn't have as a confederacy.

Anyway, the people have changed because the world has changed. In a frontier society, opportunity -- the opportunity to improve one's self and one's condition -- is the direction of the frontier and is as far away as the next unincorporated territory. In the 21st century, opportunity is a leading export that most people don't have the economic standing to pursue and which wouldn't help them if they did. Gunpowder was the biggest threat, and it was a continent away -- the nearest threat was the sticks and stones of hostile Native Americans. These days, super plagues, nuclear bombs, rapidly dwindling resources and hunger for new territories, climate change, rogue states, and proliferating terrorism are the biggest threats, with missiles they can reach anywhere in the world in an hour. Responding to threats requires collectivization on a scale unimaginable to the Founding Fathers; a 1700s local militia might be able to guide people away from a flood or fight Native Americans, but it can't stop North Korea from pursuing nuclear technology.

As a last resort, anyone in the 1700s could avoid starvation and supplement their diet by hunting and trapping, a feat reduced mostly to recreation in a society where populations are tens of thousands of times bigger and only factory farming on a super massive industrial scale can provide humans with enough food to remain fed. Aka, self-reliance is hopeless on a fundamental level; if everyone had to be self reliant, tens or hundreds of millions of people would have to die because nature wasn't supplying enough livestock to keep them fed no matter how skillful of hunters they were.

Nobody has a time to multi-task into self-reliance, anyway, because our economic order requires each individual to invest every ounce of their time into learning a specialized skill, like driving a huge truck across Alaska, accounting, or soldiering. There isn't enough time to learn all the skills you need to maintain the technological complexity of a modern home.

Don't know how you expected anyone to stay the same as we were two hundred and fifty years ago when everything is so different.
 
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Mostly not about who is best, but who is the least bad. Luckily for us, the office of POTUS doesn't have nearly as much power as people ascribe to it, thanks to that (outdated? I think not!) Constitution.

Now, let's dump the incumbents out of Congress, pick the constitution up, dust the footprints off of it, and move forward.
 
America has voted.
OBAMA SUCKS!
If you are going by that Poll, how do you figure?

Ranked from best to worst, the poll found these results for the “best president” of modern times:


  1. Ronald Reagan 35 percent
  2. Bill Clinton 18 percent
  3. John F. Kennedy 15 percent
  4. Barack Obama 8 percent
  5. Dwight Eisenhower 5 percent
  6. Harry S. Truman 4 percent
  7. Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) 3 percent
  8. George H.W. Bush (tie) 3 percent
  9. Jimmy Carter 2 percent
  10. Richard Nixon (tie) 1 percent
  11. Gerald Ford (tie) 1 percent
  12. George W. Bush (tie) 1 percent

Read more at Barack Obama, George W. Bush: Who Was The Worst President? [Poll]
 
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