Is there any possible justification for what is happening in the Video

Zinthaniel said:

If yes, please explain under what circumstance are the actions depicted permissible.

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You can't have cops treating citizens like that. There was no immediate danger to anyone and no weapon to be seen.

Smeagol said:

There we go using "the race card." Racism in America no longer exists...unless we're talking about people who voted for Obama obviously just because he's black or rather half black.

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"Racism in America no longer exists" doesn't exist??:lamo ONLY DEEP DOWN in the mad-hatter rabbit hole that is today's republican party does "Racism in America no longer exists".:2wave:

Are we absolutely certain this was racially motivated?

joG said:

You can't have cops treating citizens like that. There was no immediate danger to anyone and no weapon to be seen.

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How do you know she was a citizen ?

This morning on local news the person who took the video was interviewed and explained why he was laughing.

What the video doesn't show is a deranged woman evading arrest, running around a red pick up truck in circles and running into traffic.

The CHP officer was in foot pursuit of the lady who was evading arrest, a felony ???

CHP officials say there was more to the story and more that transpired before the woman went on the run.

Remember the good old days when cops use to shoot fleeing criminals who ran away from the law ?

Zinthaniel said:

Um Yes I and anyone with eyes who is watching the video can. At the 28 second mark the women is literally only guarding her face, despite this the cop continues to punch her in the head.

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And then right after his final hit, she hits him at least 3 times (although they all looked pretty weak) after the other cop arrives.

I have voiced this before and that is that I think the police are becoming out of control. But, beyond that, unless the person is a trained negotiator, many of them really don't have the skills to get a situation under control without resorting to violence. I qualify that by saying that some do. I have seen some really good work from several of them. I think if this unfolds at all, you will find that the woman, who was running in and out of traffic, is likely a mental patient. With mental patients who are doing dangerous things, like running in and out of traffic, a takedown is definitely the thing that needs to happen. You can't really negotiate with a psychotic person because the person doesn't share our reality. I think the take down was appropriate. There are ways to immobilize and hold a person down without hurting them until help arrives, and help did arrive. I really don't see any need for the officer to have struck her with repeated blows the way he did.

It is really sad that we have so many mentally ill people and so many who deal with who really don't have the skills to do so.

APACHERAT said:

This morning on local news the person who took the video was interviewed and explained why he was laughing.

What the video doesn't show is a deranged woman evading arrest, running around a red pick up truck in circles and running into traffic.

The CHP officer was in foot pursuit of the lady who was evading arrest, a felony ???

CHP officials say there was more to the story and more that transpired before the woman went on the run.

Remember the good old days when cops use to shoot fleeing criminals who ran away from the law ?

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Why are you trying to defend the indefensible? Brutality against a seemingly helpless female victim. I've seen police lay into a male offering, severe resistance but this is simply uncalled for and vicious.

I would also like to add this, and maybe it needs its own thread but here goes: I have issues with high speed chases through populated areas. There was one recently in the little town near where I live. The person ran a red light or some such, then took off when the blue lights started up. The officer had the license number, but took out after the person anyway. There was a high speed chase through the town where many of the streets make up part of a walking university campus. Given that they had the license number, I really don't see why they put so many pedestrians in danger over someone running a stop light. All they had to do was pay a call at the home of the person the car was registered to or radio another officer the direction the car headed. High speed chases for minor offenses in populated areas are about the poorest judgment I can think of on the part of someone who is there to 'serve and protect.' The rebuttal to that is always.....bu.....bu....bu...it might have stopped a murder or some other something. Yeah, but the offense that precipitated the chase was a misdemeanor. Is that really worth an officer hitting a pedestrian and killing him?

grip said:

Why are you trying to defend the indefensible? Brutality against a seemingly helpless female victim. I've seen police lay into a male offering, severe resistance but this is simply uncalled for and vicious.

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Even after the second person arrives to help the officer they both have a hard time getting her secure. You're watching the video looking for ways the officer screwed up and ignoring all else.

clownboy said:

Even after the second person arrives to help the officer they both have a hard time getting her secure. You're watching the video looking for ways the officer screwed up and ignoring all else.

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No, I'm not. I'm looking at a bully, who easily can control this female with brute arm strength, pound someone in the face like an animal.

grip said:

Why are you trying to defend the indefensible? Brutality against a seemingly helpless female victim. I've seen police lay into a male offering, severe resistance but this is simply uncalled for and vicious.

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All right, the CHP officer should have allowed the lady to walk into oncoming traffic so you would end up running over her and you would have blood on your car and would have been all mentally disturbed that the CHP didn't apprehend the lady.

Lessons learned, idiots who pass judgement from watching a video have caused cities to burn and looted and people murdered in the heat of anarchy over a video.

APACHERAT said:

All right, the CHP officer should have allowed the lady to walk into oncoming traffic so you would end up running over her and you would have blood on your car and would have been all mentally disturbed that the CHP didn't apprehend the lady.

Lessons learned, idiots who pass judgement from watching a video have caused cities to burn and looted and people murdered in the heat of anarchy over a video.

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I agree with the take down. I don't agree with the blows the officer gave the woman. He had her down and could have held her down. I, myself, have held many a psychotic down alone until help arrived.

APACHERAT said:

All right, the CHP officer should have allowed the lady to walk into oncoming traffic so you would end up running over her and you would have blood on your car and would have been all mentally disturbed that the CHP didn't apprehend the lady.

Lessons learned, idiots who pass judgement from watching a video have caused cities to burn and looted and people murdered in the heat of anarchy over a video.

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Still has nothing to do with him punching a defenseless female in the face repeatedly. You can make all the excuses in the world but they'll never justify that video.

Maenad said:

I agree with the take down. I don't agree with the blows the officer gave the woman. He had her down and could have held her down. I, myself, have held many a psychotic down alone until help arrived.

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Go back and watch the video, those were liberal girly bunny punches, no blood, no broken nose, no black eyes, no contusions, no bruises, no abrasions.

APACHERAT said:

Go back and watch the video, those were liberal girly bunny punches, no blood, no broken nose, no black eyes, no contusions, no bruises, no abrasions.

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Still, a punch is a punch. Holding her down until the other person got there would have accomplished the same thing without the bad press. And I have to say that I find an officer punching anyone who didn't throw a punch at him is out of line. My SIL who is 75 and very frail was stopped one night on the way home from a meeting and the officer slammed her up against the car. I know my SIL. She doesn't mouth off to anyone, and certainly wouldn't have to a police officer. Out population is aging, and handling an elderly person roughly just because you can is really out of line.

I worked with a lot of people who do things like that woman did. She was probably psychotic. It is illegal for you or I to punch an elderly or disabled person. No good reason for what he did.

Donc said:

"Racism in America no longer exists" doesn't exist??:lamo ONLY DEEP DOWN in the mad-hatter rabbit hole that is today's republican party does "Racism in America no longer exists".:2wave:

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I was being facetious. But there are people who actually think that. Up until about 6 years ago I thought it when I suddenly learned the forces of political correctness were simply keeping its expression mostly suppressed. That's not to say we haven't made tremendously progress. We are nowhere close to the 1960s level of racism where people like Bull Conner were unleashing police dogs on children walking down the street but every generation that made advances thought they'd made so much progress the comparative smaller issues aren't worth discussing. I imagine people in the 1870s who fought a civil war that ended slavery felt "What are you people complaining about, we just fought a war that took the lives of 600,000 people to give you your freedom and you STILL think racism exists? Yeah, in your minds and promoted by race pimps. Time to end this reconstruction garbage."

Zinthaniel said:

If yes, please explain under what circumstance are the actions depicted permissible.

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The woman was allegedly caught in a Hobby Lobby with birth control pills in her purse.

Risky Thicket said:

The woman was allegedly caught in a Hobby Lobby with birth control pills in her purse.

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:lamo ...

No. There is no conceivable justification for this given her defensive posture, and the ease with which he could have restrained her even if she had resisted (which is unclear, but if she did, only very meekly -- I see no sign of a significant struggle).

If this guy doesn't lose his job, the entire department needs to be laid off and rebuilt from scratch. It's disgusting.

Maenad said:

Still, a punch is a punch. Holding her down until the other person got there would have accomplished the same thing without the bad press. And I have to say that I find an officer punching anyone who didn't throw a punch at him is out of line. My SIL who is 75 and very frail was stopped one night on the way home from a meeting and the officer slammed her up against the car. I know my SIL. She doesn't mouth off to anyone, and certainly wouldn't have to a police officer. Out population is aging, and handling an elderly person roughly just because you can is really out of line.

I worked with a lot of people who do things like that woman did. She was probably psychotic. It is illegal for you or I to punch an elderly or disabled person. No good reason for what he did.

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He could not get ahold of her hands/arms. He tried several times before he punched her, while she was hitting at him, likely scratching him, and who knows what else. Considering how she was positioned right after he got her to the ground, it is also possible that she kneed him in the stomach or lower. The point is, we don't know what went on. But we do know that she

It is no more illegal for you to punch an elderly or disabled person than it is for you to punch a 250lb man who is built like a wall. If you simply punch them, then that is assault. However, if you are defending yourself, that actually can be justification, depending on how far you take it. In this case, it is possible that had this been simply a civilian woman who tried to stop the woman from crossing the street, then ended up in a physical altercation in the exact same manner as this officer had, that the civilian woman would not have been charged with assault (particularly not if the other woman had no injuries, which is the case here) or that she would get off really easy, if not completely, if assault charges were filed.

The only difference between what was done here and what a civilian could do is that the civilian could not have forcefully tried to pull the woman from the road, until she actually tried to step out into it. The police officer has a right to do this, to both protect the woman and people driving on the road (who may cause accidents trying to avoid hitting her if she walked in the middle of the freeway, which she had already done on the onramp to the freeway).

APACHERAT said:

How do you know she was a citizen ?

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Jumped to the conclusion. Possible she wasn't. But it is hard to see that the police should be allowed to treat say a Swede in that way either.

joG said:

Jumped to the conclusion. Possible she wasn't. But it is hard to see that the police should be allowed to treat say a Swede in that way either.

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Wicked sense of humor, but maybe more true than not.

APACHERAT said:

Obvious the lady is a 5150.

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I'm pretty sure that in California the definition of 5150 is:
When a person, as a result of a mental health disorder, is a danger to others, or to himself or herself

In this particular instance, I believe that the officer fits the description better than the woman being assaulted.

The weird thing is, everyone secretly thinks it's funny.