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Your biggest problems with illegal immigration.

Your biggest problems with illegal immigration

  • I believe the law should be followed. If mass immigration were legal I'd have no complaint.

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • An influx of a foreign culture threatening to marginalize American culture including language.

    Votes: 15 30.6%
  • An influx of a minority group threatening to make my ethnic group the minority.

    Votes: 7 14.3%
  • The impact of illegal immigration on the American economy.

    Votes: 25 51.0%
  • The impact of illegal immigration on the treasury.

    Votes: 19 38.8%
  • If fear illegal immigrants will exhibit criminal/violent behavior

    Votes: 14 28.6%
  • Other. Explain

    Votes: 17 34.7%

  • Total voters
    49
Social security fraud is not exclusive to any one group...The SSA deals with all sorts of fraud from all sorts of tax payers.

Of course. To the illegal, stealing an identity, and perhaps screwing up a legal citizens life is nothing to them. As social maggots, their part of the contribution to SS is just part of the deal. They likely figure they can get that amount back by claiming as many dependents as they can get away with, and by never filing tax returns.
 
Not "rounding" them up makes them "legal" in no sort of way...

It should. The state knows where they are and they are in the country illegally. Police would round them up unless they can stay. If they can stay, they are factually legal in a way.

I know. There are legal convolutions that prove the opposite. But they can prove anything in that way. That is one of the basic problems of the legal system.
 
You clearly don't understand which branch of government holds the purse-strings. You also are not aware that it has been congress to consitantly refuse to increase funds for the border patrol.

And everyone seems to forget sequestration was a big hit on funding immigration enforcement.

Its easy to say "enforce the laws" but that cost money. It takes people to do the enforcing...We can't even deport 45,000 and people want massive deportations...Where do we house them all on the deportation process.

People are so simplistic in their assessments of things that are logistical nightmares.

I have no problem understanding where the funding for the border comes from. There were billions of dollars allocated in a bill that was passed to build a fence on the border during the second term of Bush. Six years of Obama and the fence has yet to be built. Why? because the left doesn't like the idea. Yet there is a fence completely around the White House that seems to work really good keeping unwanted people out. The House passed a 40 billion dollar increase to Homeland Security which was to pay for increased border patrol in 2009. The border partrol during the sequestration dodged the layoffs that others claimed would occur by cutting their 10 hour days to 8. The amount of the cut was 280 million but unless you put that into perspective by including the 40 friggen BILLION increase prior you do not have a balanced perspective.
Border Patrol agents dodge sequestration, avoid furloughs, pay cuts - Washington Times

There have been calls to send in the National Guard only to fall on deaf ears. We the taxpayers already pay for their services. So why aren't their services being called upon at this time? We have inactive military that we already pay. Why haven't they been sent to the border to assist instead of turning our military bases into housing for these people and our soldiers into babysitters, cooks and bottle washers? This president was warned over a year ago of this situation and did squat to stop it or prepare for it. Enough!!!!
 
You clearly don't understand which branch of government holds the purse-strings. You also are not aware that it has been congress to consitantly refuse to increase funds for the border patrol.

And everyone seems to forget sequestration was a big hit on funding immigration enforcement.

Its easy to say "enforce the laws" but that cost money. It takes people to do the enforcing...We can't even deport 45,000 and people want massive deportations...Where do we house them all on the deportation process.

People are so simplistic in their assessments of things that are logistical nightmares.

I don't know why we still don't just fine the CRAP out of anybody.caught hiring an illegal. Offer part of the fine as a bounty. To individuals or local police departments so its not an unfunded mandate.

If nobody will hire them the influx will slow or stop.

And all that fine money can be spent dealing with those who do come.

I cannot judge someone crossing an imaginary line to provide a better life.for their family. Its what a good parent does. All the hatred aimed at them is a smoke screen to protect those profiting off them.

And a bunch of them want us to consider them "job creators".
 
There you have it, although I would include a guest worker program. Come here, work, pay taxes and return to your home country until your services are needed again.
Of course I wouldn't have problems issuing a divers license. :)
I would be fine with a guest worker program, as long as they actually did go back when done.

I'm against DLs. Unless the world has changed since I last did this (a couple decades ago), or we don't recognize it, I don't see why they couldn't get an international DL and use that similar to how international travelers do it.
 
I would be fine with a guest worker program, as long as they actually did go back when done.

I'm against DLs. Unless the world has changed since I last did this (a couple decades ago), or we don't recognize it, I don't see why they couldn't get an international DL and use that similar to how international travelers do it.

- I think we need a comprehensive guest worker program for jobs that that Americans don't do like being hunched over all day in the hot sun picking strawberries.
- Make English our official language
- Finish the border fence
- Have a serious educational improvement program that incorporates "edutaiment" into the national culture Educational entertainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Give tax breaks and political rate access to advertisement to video game developers that incorporate math and science into video gaming so Americans will be equipped for the jobs of the future.
- Expand INS or create a wing thereof to advance America culture outside of our borders, in particularly our Sothern border. Rebroadcast American radio and TV stations on channels in Mexico. If so many Mexicans want to pursue the American Dream, get Mexico to start teaching US History, US Civics and English every year throughout school. Then when they get here its less of an adjustment.
- America business create opportunities in Mexico for things that cannot be done in America just as tropical agriculture and tourism. Bring a certain percentage of American workers and managers with them.
 
- I think we need a comprehensive guest worker program for jobs that that Americans don't do like being hunched over all day in the hot sun picking strawberries.
- Make English our official language
- Finish the border fence
- Have a serious educational improvement program that incorporates "edutaiment" into the national culture Educational entertainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Give tax breaks and political rate access to advertisement to video game developers that incorporate math and science into video gaming so Americans will be equipped for the jobs of the future.
- Expand INS or create a wing thereof to advance America culture outside of our borders, in particularly our Sothern border. Rebroadcast American radio and TV stations on channels in Mexico. If so many Mexicans want to pursue the American Dream, get Mexico to start teaching US History, US Civics and English every year throughout school. Then when they get here its less of an adjustment.
- America business create opportunities in Mexico for things that cannot be done in America just as tropical agriculture and tourism. Bring a certain percentage of American workers and managers with them.
I'm ok with a guest worker program for pretty much any industry, save maybe something sensitive regarding national security/technology. I believe that our most sensitive and sophisticated weapon systems should be 100% sourced and manufactured within our own borders, for example.

As strongly as I feel that our laws should be enforced, I am very much against the border fence. In fact, I believe what we have constructed should be dismantled.

I also think we need to lean on Mexico to do more for themselves.
 
- I think we need a comprehensive guest worker program for jobs that that Americans don't do like being hunched over all day in the hot sun picking strawberries.
- Make English our official language
- Finish the border fence
- Have a serious educational improvement program that incorporates "edutaiment" into the national culture Educational entertainment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Give tax breaks and political rate access to advertisement to video game developers that incorporate math and science into video gaming so Americans will be equipped for the jobs of the future.
- Expand INS or create a wing thereof to advance America culture outside of our borders, in particularly our Sothern border. Rebroadcast American radio and TV stations on channels in Mexico. If so many Mexicans want to pursue the American Dream, get Mexico to start teaching US History, US Civics and English every year throughout school. Then when they get here its less of an adjustment.
- America business create opportunities in Mexico for things that cannot be done in America just as tropical agriculture and tourism. Bring a certain percentage of American workers and managers with them.

Thought provoking ideas. However, the main thrust of illegal immigration is not to become part of the US, with all that such a thing means, but to exploit what is being made available
to them with little risk.

The illegals are primarily failures from failed cultures, who care little about the impact of their law breaking. Reasonable evidence of this mindset was on display during the recent World Cup match featuring Mexico. In some areas in Southern California, riot police were called out to deal with the Mexican Flag waving fans, while to my knowledge, none were called out during the US Team matches.

A rational guest worker program has never been an issue. It's the illegal alien peasants who come here to exploit the country that needs to be dealt with.
 
Thought provoking ideas. However, the main thrust of illegal immigration is not to become part of the US, with all that such a thing means, but to exploit what is being made available
to them with little risk.

The illegals are primarily failures from failed cultures, who care little about the impact of their law breaking. Reasonable evidence of this mindset was on display during the recent World Cup match featuring Mexico. In some areas in Southern California, riot police were called out to deal with the Mexican Flag waving fans, while to my knowledge, none were called out during the US Team matches.

A rational guest worker program has never been an issue. It's the illegal alien peasants who come here to exploit the country that needs to be dealt with.

Excellent post! :thumbs: We don't see that behavior from immigrants who come here legally! Why the government expects us to just kow-tow to lawbreakers is ridiculous and insulting. If we were to stop providing endless benefits to them, I would expect to see outrage and lots of screaming. Would they go back home; would they change their attitude that we owe them something; or would they riot because they're angry the gravy train has left the station, and they can't continue to scam the system? WTH? BTW, trafficing in children is illegal, and just about the lowest you can get to advance an agenda, IMO. :thumbdown:

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:
 
Thought provoking ideas. However, the main thrust of illegal immigration is not to become part of the US, with all that such a thing means, but to exploit what is being made available
to them with little risk.

The illegals are primarily failures from failed cultures, who care little about the impact of their law breaking. Reasonable evidence of this mindset was on display during the recent World Cup match featuring Mexico. In some areas in Southern California, riot police were called out to deal with the Mexican Flag waving fans, while to my knowledge, none were called out during the US Team matches.

A rational guest worker program has never been an issue. It's the illegal alien peasants who come here to exploit the country that needs to be dealt with.

You're right. A Mexican immigrant now American friend of mine told me most of today's Mexican immigrants who come here are not the wealthy or even the middle-class. They're generally the lowest rung of Mexican society, not to say anyone cannot improve upon the condition they were born into. When he goes back to visit, which it seems he doesn't really enjoy that much, he's considered a 'gringo" despite being born in Mexico. :)
 
mass immigration is NOW LEGAL.

We loose 80,000 jobs EVERY MONTH to LEGAL immigrants, and millions more to illegals.

Time to deport them all, and end ALL IMMIGRATION. Untill ALL US CITIZENS have a living wage job.

When a criminal state like WA spends $300 million a year on foreign criminals, and does not allow a US CITIZEN
to buy $10 in paid pills.

ITS TIME FOR CIVIL WAR 2, AND TO KILL ALL FOREIGN CRIMINALS AND ALL THIER SUPPORTERS.
 
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mass immigration is NOW LEGAL.

We loose 80,000 jobs EVERY MONTH to LEGAL immigrants, and millions more to illegals.

Time to deport them all, and end ALL IMMIGRATION. Untill ALL US CITIZENS have a living wage job.

When a criminal state like WA spends $300 million a year on foreign criminals, and does not allow a US CITIZEN
to buy $10 in paid pills.

ITS TIME FOR CIVIL WAR 2, AND TO KILL ALL FOREIGN CRIMINALS AND ALL THIER SUPPORTERS.
I think you're wrong.
 
I voted for two options. The first one wasn't worded perfectly, I don't exactly have a "fear" that illegals will behave criminally (outside of crimes related to their immigration status). I know the vast majority of immigrants illegal or legal are law abiding people (again if you ignore crimes related to immigration status), but unchecked illegal immigration does leave it open for criminals of all stripes to come to this nation. We have no idea if the next illegal immigrant to cross the border is the next John Wayne Gacy or just some hard working dude who wants a better life. We don't know if he's a radical terrorist, or a member of some criminal cartel, or just a flat out sociopath. With legal immigration and the ability to take a closer look at who is coming into to our country, we at least have a chance to spot some red flags to keep such undesirable people out. Some will still slip through the cracks, but its more secure than our current system.

Secondly, I chose the economic impact. The US economy can't absorb an infinite supply of illegal immigrants who tend to be low education, low skill labor. That's the type of person we need the least in our modern economy.
 
Excellent post! :thumbs: We don't see that behavior from immigrants who come here legally! Why the government expects us to just kow-tow to lawbreakers is ridiculous and insulting. If we were to stop providing endless benefits to them, I would expect to see outrage and lots of screaming. Would they go back home; would they change their attitude that we owe them something; or would they riot because they're angry the gravy train has left the station, and they can't continue to scam the system? WTH? BTW, trafficing in children is illegal, and just about the lowest you can get to advance an agenda, IMO. :thumbdown:

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:

As I am sure you've seen before, I firmly believe the only way to stop this encouraged invasion is to eliminate the income earning possibilities, and as you wrote, the rewards they receive.

E-Verify to protect diligent employers, punitive fines and incarceration for employers who knowingly hire illegals, no benefits to illegals, and immediate deportation. As numerous cities in Southern California have proven, the economic impact of these peasants is well known, and the rhetoric from their supports is nothing by lies.
 
I voted for everything but the first one, only as I have a problem with "mass immigration" (legal or otherwise).
 
mass immigration is NOW LEGAL.

We loose 80,000 jobs EVERY MONTH to LEGAL immigrants, and millions more to illegals.

Time to deport them all, and end ALL IMMIGRATION. Untill ALL US CITIZENS have a living wage job.

When a criminal state like WA spends $300 million a year on foreign criminals, and does not allow a US CITIZEN
to buy $10 in paid pills.

ITS TIME FOR CIVIL WAR 2, AND TO KILL ALL FOREIGN CRIMINALS AND ALL THIER SUPPORTERS.

Please before you commence to killing...please let me know what I should do to identify myself as an America. Should I sew a flag on my clothing as a sign to patriots?
 
As I am sure you've seen before, I firmly believe the only way to stop this encouraged invasion is to eliminate the income earning possibilities, and as you wrote, the rewards they receive.

E-Verify to protect diligent employers, punitive fines and incarceration for employers who knowingly hire illegals, no benefits to illegals, and immediate deportation. As numerous cities in Southern California have proven, the economic impact of these peasants is well known, and the rhetoric from their supports is nothing by lies.

I found it most interesting that the protestors managed to prevent the buses from dropping off the illegals in your State, and they had to turn around and leave. Is it a matter that there aren't enough jobs available for additional people, or is it something else? To save fuel, I personally think they should have taken them directly to Pelosi's district - she agrees with Obama on immigration, so they would have been welcomed with open arms - right? I'm sure they would! :mrgreen:

Now we're reading that thousands of illegal immigrants have signed up for Obamacare, and the administration doesn't know how to handle it? What did they expect? These folks are here to get all the freebies they've been promised, so they probably assume that health care is included. No wonder BHO is desperate enough to try another end-run around Congress. We shall see what happens next.
 
Option 1 is the best fit for my opinion. I should clarify that even though reducing illegal immigration is a noble goal that should be pursued, being an undocumented immigrant does not make a person inherently immoral. Option 2 and 3 are not genuine concerns, because one culture is not inherently superior to the other. Option 4 and 5 can be issues, but it all depends on how the economy is structured. If we create an economy that is accommodating to immigrants, it can benefit the economy, but if we are shutting them out and generating slums, that can be detrimental to the economy. I'm not really sure what option 6. But option 2 through 5 aren't applicable to illegal immigration exclusively, but to immigration as a whole.
 
Please before you commence to killing...please let me know what I should do to identify myself as an America. Should I sew a flag on my clothing as a sign to patriots?

Grey and blue worked last time.................
 
Illegal Immigrants compete against low-skill low-education American workers for jobs. There are several reasons why unemployment is so high for urban youth, and a major one is that government has made it much cheaper to hire illegals. So mass low-level immigration of this type may be good for upper-income earners in the US (Hooray! Nanny and lawn-care prices are going down!), but it can be disastrous for low-income earners.

Illegal Immigrants also do represent significant drains on the treasuries not only of the federal, but also the local and state governments, who must now provide basic services to them, education for their children, etc. School districts get easily swamped, and the result is a reduction in the quality of education we can give to our children.

The fact that the immigration is illegal means that everyone who uses it by definition is choosing that they will live their life in disregard of the law. That not only makes it easier for them to violate other laws (and they are enabled in this by the fact that police districts will often not pursue them for non-violent crime), but it makes it more likely that they will be the enablers of other serious criminal activities. As a particularly poignant example of this - human smuggling networks for laborers often transition seamlessly back and forth into human smuggling for the purposes of sex slavery and the like. They also enable more serious criminal activities by diverting resources. As the current employment of our order guards suggests, everyone taking care of the illegal immigrant problem is someone who isn't chasing drug-smugglers.
 
I found it most interesting that the protestors managed to prevent the buses from dropping off the illegals in your State, and they had to turn around and leave. Is it a matter that there aren't enough jobs available for additional people, or is it something else? To save fuel, I personally think they should have taken them directly to Pelosi's district - she agrees with Obama on immigration, so they would have been welcomed with open arms - right? I'm sure they would! :mrgreen:

I'm down. Dump these people in the very districts who are demanding most loudly that we keep them.
 
I'm down. Dump these people in the very districts who are demanding most loudly that we keep them.

I'd prefer they go back, simply because those districts will eventually run out of funds and sympathetic voices, and the trickle into other areas will soon commence.
 
A lot of these apply for me, though the wording of them are questionable.

I think the law should be followed, and by ignoring or excusing those that don't follow the law it is an insult and afront to those that have as well as putting a wrench in a system that is meant to work in a particular way. However, I don't think mass immigration is a good thing and would complain about that; just not on the basis of it being a legal violation (Since it wouldn't be in such a case).

I do think an influx of foreign cultures that are not looking to assimilate into american culture in a "mixing bowl" style but are instead seeking a multi-cultural approach where there is a distinct desir to be IN America but to still live AS a [fill in country of origin here]. A prominent example of what I'm talking about is UFC Heavy Weight Champion Cain Valezquez, who despite being a United States Citizen comes out with the Mexican Flag draped around him routinely (it's common for many fighters to come out in their countries flag). I think the "mixing bowl" notion of America is a powerful one, but a true "multicutural" one that isn't AT LEAST based on the notion that those who have came here are american first and foremost, and their "heritage" is second to that, is not.

I don't really care that whites are becoming a minority in this country.

I do have an issue with the potential drain on the American economy and the general impact on the mindset relating to jobs in the US. It saddens me to both see our unemployment numbers and then here the BS about illegals doing jobs "americans don't want".

The illegal behavior thing I don't really care much about, as much for a difficulty dealing with illegal activity potentially due to their lack of presense in the system possibly causing issues with it. I'd be more worried about the national security aspect of it, with it being necessary for a country to have an understanding of who is coming in and out of the country.
 
I think that there should be a process (easier than the current) in place to allow people from other countries to become citizens of our country. Those who don't follow the process should be immediately deported without exception.
 
Just keep looking for the mushroom cloud. For one. Who knows who is getting through.
It destroyed south Florida. Seems no one remembers the Cuban influx of criminals.
 
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