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If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

Should an employer be allowed to impose Sharia Law on their employees?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 16.7%
  • No

    Votes: 34 70.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 12.5%

  • Total voters
    48
Since you want to project as an expert on the SC decision, perhaps you can tell us where in the ruling it forbids Hobby Lobby employees from using or purchasing any kind of birth control or chemical abortion drug.
In the Jim Crow laws there wasn't anything that said that blacks couldn't go down the street and sit at a counter, that wasn't racially segregated.
But now the fact is that HL employees have just slightly fewer rights than all other American employees when it comes to healthcare insurance...
...and it's all because of what someone chose to "believe".
This ruling is bad law and will eventually be reversed when it will need to be revisited.
I suspect that will be sooner, rather than later.
 
In the Jim Crow laws there wasn't anything that said that blacks couldn't go down the street and sit at a counter, that wasn't racially segregated.
But now the fact is that HL employees have just slightly fewer rights than all other American employees when it comes to healthcare insurance...
...and it's all because of what someone chose to "believe".
This ruling is bad law and will eventually be reversed when it will need to be revisited.
I suspect that will be sooner, rather than later.
You can stil just buy this stuff yourself. No rights are violated, only an entitlement which shouldn't exist at all anyway.
 
No, not any employer, just privately owned companies, owned by individuals who hold certain religious beliefs.

No, not just any beliefs, but the teachings of the particular religion they are an adherent of.

No, Hobby Lobby had to prove that payment or provision of the drugs identified in their claim were held by their religion to be contrary to the teachings of that religion...
I appreciate that you don't like the Supreme Court ruling, but do you really think they're a panel of dolts who think like you?
All religion is treated the same under our constitution and any opinion can be claimed as a deeply held religious conviction.
By your hysterical overreach, Hobby Lobby could now claim they believe heart medications are against their religion and simply on their say so they wouldn't have to provide coverage for such drugs.
Don't be so sure that they, or others ( like the Christian Scientists) aren't going to try something just like that.
Their lawyers now have the precedent of a SC decision to argue their case. Lower court judges look at such SC decisions as a guide to making their own decisions.
 
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You can stil just buy this stuff yourself. No rights are violated, only an entitlement which shouldn't exist at all anyway.

So if the SC ruled that let's say, people who worked for Jews were not allowed to receive food assistance, ... You would be AOK with such a ruling?
BTW health insurance under the AHA is not an entitlement...It is a requrement
 
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So if the SC ruled that let's say, people who worked for Jews were not allowed to receive food assistance, ... You would be AOK with such a ruling?
If food assistance were an employer-provided benefit, and if the employer were Jewish, and the employer thus refused to offer pork products through that food assistance, yes I would be OK with that. You can still take your paycheck and go buy pork products if you want to, and that employer isn't allowed to fire you if you do.

Likewise Hobby Lobby employees can take their paychecks and go buy any of the 4 types of BC not covered by Hobby Lobby if the other 16 forms of BC Hobby Lobby does offer still aren't good enough. Hobby Lobby cannot take action against any employee who buys those forms of BC.
 
Do you know the answers to your question?

The HL employees can still get the 4 missing forms of BC, same as they could before the ACA was passed. Nothing has changed for them except they can't be bought with their HL insurance.

Is this the end of the world for them?

Yes, it is.
 
If an employer believes in Sharia Law should they be allowed to impose Sharia law on its employees?

I think you have asked a good question. No religion can follow doctrines that endanger the lives of its followers. So, would they be allowed to behead an employee for an offense, no.

But, they likely could insist that female employees wear burkas. This is why I said that the HL holding is NOT an indication that the Christians are winning.
 
If food assistance were an employer-provided benefit, and if the employer were Jewish, and the employer thus refused to offer pork products through that food assistance, yes I would be OK with that. You can still take your paycheck and go buy pork products if you want to, and that employer isn't allowed to fire you if you do.

Likewise Hobby Lobby employees can take their paychecks and go buy any of the 4 types of BC not covered by Hobby Lobby if the other 16 forms of BC Hobby Lobby does offer still aren't good enough. Hobby Lobby cannot take action against any employee who buys those forms of BC.


What about a dress code that required female employees wear a burka?
 
The hysteria continues! I didn't know employers were allowed to make laws in the first place, let alone sharia law.

Employers make policy. Which is just another term for law in their workplace.
 
If food assistance were an employer-provided benefit, and if the employer were Jewish, and the employer thus refused to offer pork products through that food assistance, yes I would be OK with that. You can still take your paycheck and go buy pork products if you want to, and that employer isn't allowed to fire you if you do.

Likewise Hobby Lobby employees can take their paychecks and go buy any of the 4 types of BC not covered by Hobby Lobby if the other 16 forms of BC Hobby Lobby does offer still aren't good enough. Hobby Lobby cannot take action against any employee who buys those forms of BC.
So the black guy in the Jim Crow south still had the right to buy and eat his lunch at a lunch counter that served blacks ... He just couldn't eat at some lunch counters. That was OK too?
 
"The Ten Commandments says not to work on the Sabbath. Therefore I demand to never work weekends. Well I don't care if you are open on weekends. Hey you can't make me work weekends. I'm fired??? FIRST AMENDMENT!!!"

That's how stupid you liberals sound.
 
"The Ten Commandments says not to work on the Sabbath. Therefore I demand to never work weekends. Well I don't care if you are open on weekends. Hey you can't make me work weekends. I'm fired??? FIRST AMENDMENT!!!"

That's how stupid you liberals sound.

Hobby Lobby is closed on Sundays because of the Sabbath. Where are the Libtards suing for lost wages because of that?
 
Hobby Lobby is closed on Sundays because of the Sabbath. Where are the Libtards suing for lost wages because of that?

On the subject of vaguely related but realistically irrrelevant facts:

Hobby Lobby's 401k plan includes funds with Teva Pharmaceuticals (the company that manufactures the pills). So Hobby Lobby is actually investing in these pills and IUD's. How come no outcry over that???
 
On the subject of vaguely related but realistically irrrelevant facts:

Hobby Lobby's 401k plan includes funds with Teva Pharmaceuticals (the company that manufactures the pills). So Hobby Lobby is actually investing in these pills and IUD's. How come no outcry over that???

Good question, you should ask Hobby Lobby.
 
On the subject of vaguely related but realistically irrrelevant facts:

Hobby Lobby's 401k plan includes funds with Teva Pharmaceuticals (the company that manufactures the pills). So Hobby Lobby is actually investing in these pills and IUD's. How come no outcry over that???

the company makes many products,.. the one you have in mind , just being 1 of many.

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On the subject of vaguely related but realistically irrrelevant facts:

Hobby Lobby's 401k plan includes funds with Teva Pharmaceuticals (the company that manufactures the pills). So Hobby Lobby is actually investing in these pills and IUD's. How come no outcry over that???

And what, exactly, would the outcry be? From who? Are they directly forcing someone to do something against their religion? I'm guessing no.
 
Under my plan there would be no mandate on employers to provide health insurance. There would be single payer 100% coverage on catastrophic through the federal or state government, and then I'd to the Paulson Bailout plan https://archive.org/details/KhanAcademy_PaulsonBailout that in my (not positive) opinion Geithner should have done back in 2008 creating say 5 or 10 new banks(maybe even one each state) and giving each U.S. citizen one share in these banks. My idea then would be to put the dividends from this share into a personal acct in each person's name, invested conservatively in say s&P 500 and interest bearing U.S. bonds, with the funds used by each person to pay for non catastrophic health care costs in a system where non catastrophic is a cash/charity system. Most abortions, birth control, sex changes, cosmetic surgeries, not covered by the single payer catastrophic. People can donate to charities that will cover the costs of those things if they are worried about them being available to the poor.
 
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In the Jim Crow laws there wasn't anything that said that blacks couldn't go down the street and sit at a counter, that wasn't racially segregated.
But now the fact is that HL employees have just slightly fewer rights than all other American employees when it comes to healthcare insurance...
...and it's all because of what someone chose to "believe".
This ruling is bad law and will eventually be reversed when it will need to be revisited.
I suspect that will be sooner, rather than later.

I see - so in other words, you've got no logic, just irrational emotion.

You do realize, of course, that employees who work for small businesses may have no employer subsidized/provided healthcare coverage at all, let alone coverage for contraceptives and abortives, so do these people have "lesser rights" as related to contraception?

Your view seems to have been corrupted by the belief that what the government provides you is a right. That's sad, because the minute you rely on government benevolence you've given up your rights.
 
All religion is treated the same under our constitution and any opinion can be claimed as a deeply held religious conviction.

Don't be so sure that they, or others ( like the Christian Scientists) aren't going to try something just like that.
Their lawyers now have the precedent of a SC decision to argue their case. Lower court judges look at such SC decisions as a guide to making their own decisions.

That's nonsense, and I'm sure you know it.

But as an example, there were many fanatics who thought that when Roe v Wade was decided there would be no limits on the abortionists. They were equally as irrational and hysterical as you appear to be now. But hey, it's great for raising money from rubes and running campaigns on the backs of the ignorant.
 
If an employer believes in Sharia Law should they be allowed to impose Sharia law on its employees?

Excellent poll and question. Truly thought provoking. Especially in light of recent decisions, when some segments of society are fighting current health care mandates by asserting religious beliefs (Christian, that is). If so, does that mean that in a nation where freedom of religion is practiced, that all religions will have the same right to assert their beliefs in the workplace. I believe those that see the Hobby Lobby decision as a victory may very well never realize all of its ramifications.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Any exceptions made for one religion should be granted to all without preference.
 
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