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If an Employer Believes In Sharia Law

Should an employer be allowed to impose Sharia Law on their employees?

  • Yes

    Votes: 8 16.7%
  • No

    Votes: 34 70.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 6 12.5%

  • Total voters
    48
If an employee does not believe in Sharia Law and its beliefs or certain parts why couldnt that employee be fired or certain benefits not given to them?
BURWELL v. HOBBY LOBBY

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As this description of our reasoning shows, our holding is very specific. We do not hold, as the principal dissent alleges, that for-profit corporations and other commercial enterprises can “opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs.”....
It goes on.

To answer your question, if an employee does not believe in Sharia Law and its beliefs or certain parts, they are still protected by anti-discrimination law and cannot be fired for it. The ruling is very, very clear, that this ONLY applies to BC and ONLY when a corporation can demonstrate a "closely held belief". The ruling is also VERY clear that for-profit corporations do not have standing to now impose religious beliefs onto employees.

This ruling doesn't even help cake shops sued out of business for refusing to bake for a gay wedding.
 
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BURWELL v. HOBBY LOBBY

PDF page 9:

It goes on.

To answer your question, if an employee does not believe in Sharia Law and its beliefs or certain parts, they are still protected by anti-discrimination law and cannot be fired for it. The ruling is very, very clear, that this ONLY applies to BC and ONLY when a cooperation can demonstrate a "closely held belief". The ruling is also VERY clear that for-profit corporations do not have standing to now impose religious beliefs onto employees.

So ohhhhhhhh what happens if i dont believe in Hobbys Lobbys Christian sect beliefs can i still be covered or not? Or does the the employee still dictat everything?
 
No, same goes for Hobby Lobby. They should have to follow the law of the land just like everyone else. Your religious beliefs have nothing to do with your employees, in the very same way that our representatives religious views "should" have nothing to do with their constituents.
 
So ohhhhhhhh what happens if i dont believe in Hobbys Lobbys Christian sect beliefs can i still be covered or not? Or does the the employee still dictat everything?
When you read the ruling you will see that the Fed is setting up a program to get BC to employees who aren't covered for it. So, will you be covered? Yes, but not by the employer.

You retain the option to go buy BC for yourself, too. You can just buy it, you know. The 4 kinds of BC being objected to are very inexpensive.
 
When you read the ruling you will see that the Fed is setting up a program to get BC to employees who aren't covered for it.
No they are not. This is a possible option.
 
I don't think I'm aware of anyone who would go ape**** over that. In fact my current employer does restrict what I can and cannot get reimbursed for in my meals when I travel on business.

Go to Oklahoma.

And I bet your employer doesnt object to the content of your meals based on religious doctrine. Maybe devout Muslims may chafe at buying bacon for employees on the road.
 
Sharia Law is a religious belief. Its a moral code.

Sharia (read post #10) is a legal code also. Which means, it seeks to supplant in importance the law of the land.

Hubby bobby or wahtever that stupid store's name is didn't seek to supplant the law of the land. the fact that the Constitutional Court decided that it was legal means it is legal to do what they wanted to do. hence, not against the law.
 
No they are not. This is a possible option.
Right, it's still in the works for for-profit corporations, and isn't the end of the world in any case given how stupidly cheap these 4 BCs are anyway.
 
Sharia Law is a religious belief. Its a moral code.

They can't enforce sharia law anymore than Hobby Lobby can stop people from having abortions. It's kind of an ass backwards comparison. The left is trying to force Hobby Lobby (the employer) to pay for abortions. You are asking if the employer should force their beliefs on employees. That's backwards. I don't know of any company in this country that forces their religion on employees.
 
The Supreme Court ruling protecting the religious rights of employers does not mean employers can impose Sharia law on its employees. Get over it.
You miss the point of the decision.
This decision absolutely sets a precedence that if an employer's feels his beliefs are compromised when participating in any federally mandated program they can now say no.
I fully expect to see lots of cases in the courts in the months to come.
The religions that are more extreme will be the more likely test cases and Muslim employers who have deep convictions about Sharia law are very likely candidates.
Christian scientists have been pretty quiet about this ruling so far, but expect that is going to change DRASTICALLY very soon...They have a lot of wood to cut with this saw the SCOTUS just handed them. If you work for a company owned by Christian Scientists you soon may not be covered for vaccinations or blood transfusions...etc.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, in her dissent, called the majority opinion a "decision of startling breadth."
We are about to find out just how startling and just how wide that breadth will be.
 
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Go to Oklahoma.

And I bet your employer doesnt object to the content of your meals based on religious doctrine. Maybe devout Muslims may chafe at buying bacon for employees on the road.
Not to mention the dietary restrictions orthodox Jews may choose to impose on their employees.
 
You miss the point of the decision.
This decision absolutely sets a precedence that if an employer's feels his beliefs are compromised when participating in an insurance program they can now say no.
Employers should be able to opt out of ACA anyway, as should the entire American population, so I don't see the problem.
 
Employers should be able to opt out of ACA anyway, as should the entire American population, so I don't see the problem.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, in her dissent, called the majority opinion a "decision of startling breadth."
All you can see is how much you hate "Obamacare", so in your eyes anything that hurts the ACA, even slightly, must be great.

The precedence sent down with this decision may well have ramifications we have hardly begun to imagine,
 
Only if all its employees are adherents to Islam.
Do all Hobby Lobby employees believe that birth control is abortion? Are all Hobby Lobby employees evangelicals?
You have also missed the thrust of the SCOTUS decision.
 
All you can see is how much you hate "Obamacare", so in your eyes anything that hurts the ACA, even slightly, must be great.
That is a true statement. The knowledge that Obama would pursue national healthcare was an oft cited reason to vote against him. Anything that hurts Obama's agenda is a good thing.
 
Do all Hobby Lobby employees believe that birth control is abortion? Are all Hobby Lobby employees evangelicals?
You have also missed the thrust of the SCOTUS decision.

So ohhhhhhhh what happens if i dont believe in Hobbys Lobbys Christian sect beliefs can i still be covered or not? Or does the the employee still dictat everything?

I'm surprised there's only been this much spillover of the Hobby Lobby crap so far.

Why the hell are you people getting so steamed about Hobby Lobby? This was a very narrow ruling. First, it was about four contraceptive medicines, all of which terminate a fertilized cell. All the other mandated contraceptives are still covered. Second, this ruling only applies to hobby Lobby. Any other companies that want these select few contraceptives to be paid for by the employee instead of the employer, have to file a case with the Supreme Court to be added to this ruling, and to do that they have to prove they're a religious company of some sort. So would all the progressives, socialists, liberals, or whatever you list yourself as on the forum, please clam the hell down??? Okay?
 
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If an employer believes in Sharia Law should they be allowed to impose Sharia law on its employees?




What did the USA's Supreme Court decide in its recent decision about employer's religious beliefs versus the rights of employees?

Any ideas?

I don't see any constitutional reason why Muslim employers would be treated differently than Christian employers.
 
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What did the USA's Supreme Court decide in its recent decision about employer's religious beliefs versus the rights of employees?

Any ideas?

I don't see any constitutional reason why Muslim employers would be treated differently than Christian employers.

Fair enough. If a muslim-owned business wants to avoid paying for four inexpensive BC medications for religious reasons, they are free to bring their case up before the Supreme Court.
 
Personally, I;m pretty cool with the HL decision. Its nice to see evangelicals in a minority position these days.

But I find it funny that the people who are screaming loudest about religious liberties would absolutely go ape**** if a case regarding a muslim owned company refusing to reimburse non-halal meats for traveling employees reached SCOTUS.

So we've gone from one company providing 16 instead of 20 contraceptives to Muslims not reimbursing their employees for non-halal meals?

There is a way around that for anyone who thinks that will happen. Ask what your employer's T&E reimbursement policy is, and comply, or leave.

(TOTALLY OT) - haven't had time to go to hockey thread. Have fun with Richards. I'm going to miss him. You guys lucked out.
 
Do all Hobby Lobby employees believe that birth control is abortion? Are all Hobby Lobby employees evangelicals?
You have also missed the thrust of the SCOTUS decision.

Do you know the answers to your question?

The HL employees can still get the 4 missing forms of BC, same as they could before the ACA was passed. Nothing has changed for them except they can't be bought with their HL insurance.

Is this the end of the world for them?
 
People please stop trying to tell people what Sharia is, you are mostly ignorant:
Misconception: Islam and The Quran orders hands to be cut off for theft

As for an employer requiring religious practice in the work place or while working for the company, yes.

A business run by Muslims can require that no non-Halal food be brought into the office space. No public displays of things that violate Muslim values. Block porn and other sites from internet access in the building. They could fire someone for publishing anti-Islam flyers. etc. etc. etc.

Oh and the SCOTUS ruling is also being misunderstood.
 
Go to Oklahoma.

:yawn: I know people from oklahoma as well. You are painting a false view of your opposition, either from intellectual shallowness or lack of interaction with anyone who doesn't think as you do in real life.

And I bet your employer doesnt object to the content of your meals based on religious doctrine. Maybe devout Muslims may chafe at buying bacon for employees on the road.

Actually it in some cases it is moral objection - they will not pay for an alcoholic beverage, for example. But if Muslim employers don't want to reimburse their employees for pork chops :shrug: that's fine. We also, for example, shouldn't force Muslim Grocers to carry pork, or Jewish businesses to open on the Sabbath.

Welcome to America, where some people actually prefer freedom, with all its' idiosyncrasies :).
 
In what country? In the USA, people choose where they want to work, unless something changed. Don't want to work for Muslims? Don't take the job.

How does an employee know the relgious faith of their prospective employer...that pre-supposes that Muslims look or act a certain way. What does a Christian look like?
 
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