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Who has been our greatest President?[W:196]

Who has been our greatest President?


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Re: Who has been our greatest President?

it appears you actually agree with haymarket
it was the massive government spending which was required to move our nation out of the great depression

That's not what got the US out of the great depression. See post #162.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

Μολὼν λαβέ;1063461307 said:
That's not what got the US out of the great depression. See post #162.
yea, that post is very wrong
as in today's economy we can see that it is not high tax rates - as that post tells us - which caused entrepreneurs to curtail business creation and expansion
it is weak demand
and it was then, too
and FDR's policies put money in the average Joes' pockets so that there was a demand stimulus
and when war time hit and we were paying our troops overseas and putting women in the mainstream workforce for the first time, then a lot of new demand was generated
soon, there was more money than there were goods to buy, and we saw the economy blossom after the war ended
so, yes, it was the federal stimulus, first the domestic methods, then the wartime requirements, which generated sufficient demand to end the notso great recession
thank you FDR. my parents and grandparents certainly did
do yourself a favor
visit an old folks home, and ask the most aged how FDR and his policies impacted them
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

yea, that post is very wrong
as in today's economy we can see that it is not high tax rates - as that post tells us - which caused entrepreneurs to curtail business creation and expansion
it is weak demand
and it was then, too
and FDR's policies put money in the average Joes' pockets so that there was a demand stimulus
and when war time hit and we were paying our troops overseas and putting women in the mainstream workforce for the first time, then a lot of new demand was generated
soon, there was more money than there were goods to buy, and we saw the economy blossom after the war ended
so, yes, it was the federal stimulus, first the domestic methods, then the wartime requirements, which generated sufficient demand to end the notso great recession
thank you FDR. my parents and grandparents certainly did
do yourself a favor
visit an old folks home, and ask the most aged how FDR and his policies impacted them

It was a combination of both the New Deal and the War/lowering taxes. If we had cancelled the New Deal programs entirely within a few years, along with cutting govt. spending in a few other areas, and continued to lower taxes, America would be in a much better place right now.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

Truman and Eisenhower supported the French in Vietnam to gain their support in Europe against the USSR. After the French defeat in 1954, the US had no reason to stay. Nevertheless, Eisenhower did. Everything else is the result of Eisenhower's war mongering.
Eisenhower's war mongering. :neutral: Okaaaaay.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

why do you volunteer to remain in a place that steals from you? do you not have the means to escape to another place
that you choose to remain here of your own volition betrays the illegitimacy of your weak argument

I can work hard to undo the damage progressive idiocy has inflicted on my country. I love what USA stands for, not the hot mess life failures and political opportunists have done to it.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

not true
and here is my proof
immediately after the war, before we re-tooled to export to the rest of the now destroyed world, we had regained a good standard of living
try again
Wrong. You have zero historical or economic wisdom. People like you freaked out and we're certain the economy would collapse with the end of spending. Oops.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

yea, that post is very wrong
as in today's economy we can see that it is not high tax rates - as that post tells us - which caused entrepreneurs to curtail business creation and expansion
it is weak demand
and it was then, too
and FDR's policies put money in the average Joes' pockets so that there was a demand stimulus
and when war time hit and we were paying our troops overseas and putting women in the mainstream workforce for the first time, then a lot of new demand was generated
soon, there was more money than there were goods to buy, and we saw the economy blossom after the war ended
so, yes, it was the federal stimulus, first the domestic methods, then the wartime requirements, which generated sufficient demand to end the notso great recession
thank you FDR. my parents and grandparents certainly did
do yourself a favor
visit an old folks home, and ask the most aged how FDR and his policies impacted them

That had nothing to do with FDR's policies to get the US out of the great depression, unless FDR knew Japan was going to attack the US so he could convince congress to go to war. (and I really doubt that happened.)

Adding jobs through government spending helped out some people but not everyone. That's not what got the US out of the great depression.

I see you acknowledge WWII was a factor in the world overcoming the great depression. However, it was the main factor. No WWII and who knows when the great depression would have ended.

Though the relief and reform measures put into place by President Franklin D. Roosevelt helped lessen the worst effects of the Great Depression in the 1930s, the economy would not fully turn around until after 1939, when World War II kicked American industry into high gear.

The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

massive government spending went into the depression, it did not pull us out......... massive spending on the war effort pulled us out..

and yes - it was government spending which got us out of the depression. Thank you for agreeing with that. You see, the Depression had already started and was firmly in hold of the nation before any FDR New Deal spending got really rolling. So it in no way shape or form can be said to be responsible for getting us into the depression in the first place.

A neo-libertarian are folks like you see here who are firmly right wing .
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

it appears you actually agree with haymarket
it was the massive government spending which was required to move our nation out of the great depression

I noticed that also. But I guess you would have to be a total nutcase to try to pretend otherwise.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

Μολὼν λαβέ;1063461290 said:
You're right, it makes no sense, you posted it.
Apparently you are...

I have no idea what you are talking about as you are making no sense.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

Teddy Roosevelt. He was an amazing president, and the toughest son of a bitch to ever walk the face of the Earth.




Arnold Schwarzenegger could whip his butt with one hand tied behind his back.

Dig TR up, zombify him and let's have a match.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

I can work hard to undo the damage progressive idiocy has inflicted on my country. I love what USA stands for, not the hot mess life failures and political opportunists have done to it.

then i was right. you have chosen to voluntarily reside in a nation which you insist steals from you. you allow yourself to be the tenant of a thieving landlord, yet you do not move
must enjoy playing the victim
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

then i was right. you have chosen to voluntarily reside in a nation which you insist steals from you. you allow yourself to be the tenant of a thieving landlord, yet you do not move
must enjoy playing the victim
Yawn. You are showing how weak your position is.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

Yawn. You are showing how weak your position is.

you whine about being stolen from
yet you then choose to voluntarily reside with the thief
everyone who thinks that is reasonable behavior, raise your hand
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

then i was right. you have chosen to voluntarily reside in a nation which you insist steals from you. you allow yourself to be the tenant of a thieving landlord, yet you do not move
must enjoy playing the victim


When the right libertarians use that pathetically weak lame excuse it reminds me of that old joke about the woman who tells her husband she was raped twice today. He asks for details and she explains that first time was in the morning when she cut through an alley going to work to save some time and a homeless man living there jumped up, grabbed her and raped her. The husband says you said you were raped twice. The wife sheepishly says "I had to come home didn't I".
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

Arnold Schwarzenegger could whip his butt with one hand tied behind his back.

Dig TR up, zombify him and let's have a match.

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Re: Who has been our greatest President?

In my lifetime (50 yrs) Reagan. Overall probably Washington. Overrated: FDR. Underrated:GWB. Rated just about right: Carter and Obama.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

ACTUALLY, winners want to be unfettered by government. failures want someone else to take care of them

Actually, that's not true. Winners win regardless of whether they are unfettered by the government. They use services appropriately, if needed, and accept assistance when needed. Failures don't use services, appropriately, and either reject help, or use it poorly.

most of us libertarians see big government as a butt hurt reaction of those who are failures

And that's why I have little respect for many libertarians, because comments like that are foolish and do not actually reflect reality.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

Funny, conservative policy is to push for personal excellence not endless government assisstence. I think, you are far more enamored with intent then results.

Funny, conservative policy has nothing to do with personal excellence. It's more about dictating how others should be, and insulting them if they don't fit into that model. It's very closed minded. I think you are far more enamored with ideology than results.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

Is there a way the discussions about taxes can stop and people can get back on the topic? This is an interesting thread, once all of the completely non-topic posts stop.

I would agree with you. Problem is that whenever a discussion about the "greatest President" comes up, as soon as FDR is mentioned, our cadre of militant libertarians come out spewing as much hyperbolic ridiculousness as possible, demonstrating an inability to understand the big picture, and a war between FDR-haters and FDR-supporters ensues. I could go through DP history and probably pull up at least a dozen threads just like that.

Look. We all get it. Libertarians don't like FDR because he was more active and hands on. Progressives like him for those reasons. Guess what? Both are OPINIONS. Those who think they are factually correct about their position tend to be hacks who can't see anything past their own little world. FDR did some very good things. He also did some very questionable things. THAT'S an accurate statement.

But, moving on, though I don't think he was one of our greatest Presidents, John Adams is an intriguing figure. Yes, the Alien and Sedition Acts was one of the worst laws ever to be put forth in the US, but he handled the XYZ Affair and the Quasi-War, masterfully.
 
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Funny, conservative policy has nothing to do with personal excellence. It's more about dictating how others should be, and insulting them if they don't fit into that model. It's very closed minded. I think you are far more enamored with ideology than results.

You mean, having some societal norms? Both sides do. Don't ****ing try to say they don't, you'd be lying through your teeth. Look at those two brothers on HGTV, lost their show because they dared to hold a position not left of center. Just a simple example.

We can argue the merits of each approach, but don't try to pass that tolerance **** off as not being it's own kinda group think forced societal norms.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

In my lifetime (50 yrs) Reagan. Overall probably Washington. Overrated: FDR.
Underrated:GWB
. Rated just about right: Carter and Obama.




G.W.Bush will ultimately be rated a little above the bottom.

He's not the worst, but he down in that territory.

Reagan will be somewhere in the middle, not great, but OTOH, not terrible.

FDR is mighty close to the top, maybe #3.

Lincoln was the best and Washington was pretty good.
 
Re: Who has been our greatest President?

However, I would like to put in a plug for one of our more under rated Presidents: Chester A. Arthur. Gotta respect the man. He helped foster civil service reform... even though it alienated him from his party, and it's past manipulation was something that he himself had used to gain power in the past. Doing this showed quite a bit of integrity and bravery, politically, something that we would see very little of in today's world.

Considering that Arthur's predecessor was shot by someone who opposed civil service reform, it would have made Arthur look really, really bad to pursue his Stalwart agenda, so I'm not sure how much of his integrity stemmed from anything other than political necessity.
 
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