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Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 18 46.2%

  • Im a left leaning American, yes.

    Votes: 10 25.6%

  • Im not American, yes.

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Im a left leaning American, no.

    Votes: 6 15.4%

  • Im not American, no.

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Total voters
    39
US Conservative said:
You also stated you dont have her sources or numbers, so are we really surprised?
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In the video she said 25% are radicals. There is no source to back that up. Do you not recognize that?

It is when those crimes are carried out in the name of a religion. We can't say its an isolated case either, can we? Heres where you read your script about all religions having nuts...
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Are you actually going to deny that that is true? Yes, people are going to do crazy things in the name of their religion, regardless of what their religion is. This is coming from a Catholic, mind you. And you can deny it if you want, but in the U.S., your are more likely to be killed by a member of the radical right than a Muslim.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
In the video she said 25% are radicals. There is no source to back that up. Do you not recognize that?



Are you actually going to deny that that is true? Yes, people are going to do crazy things in the name of their religion, regardless of what their religion is. This is coming from a Catholic, mind you. And you can deny it if you want, but in the U.S., your are more likely to be killed by a member of the radical right than a Muslim.
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Then what is the correct percentage, and how does that tally out into actual people? Even % would come to 10 million. That would be more than the population of our largest city.

From your link:

It has now been 13 years since al Qaeda and its associated forces have carried out a successful attack inside the United States. National security analyst and regular CNN contributor Peter Bergen asks, “Given this, it becomes harder to explain, in terms of American national security, why violence by homegrown right-wing extremists receives substantially less attention than does violence by homegrown jihadist militants?”
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I guess he slept through the Boston Marathon.
 
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Amadeus said:
I don't defend totalitarianism, I simply despise bigots like yourself. ?
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Ii figured it would only be a matter of times before you were not content with merely making a number of incredibly stupid statements and went for the home run.

Yes, in your mixed up, crazy world.it is those who object to the desire to kill people for their belief who are the bigots. It is bigoted to reject totalitarian belief systems that require the killing to keep control. Only a bigot would dare to find something wrong with amputating limbs for petty theft, for killing one's daughter for ego gratification or for putting homosexuals to death. Those behaviors and beliefs are not bigoted in any way, of course, since you defend them so strenuously that you would call other people a bigot if they object.

What an absolutely Orwellian cesspool of ignorance you espouse when you intentionally invert bigot with those who object to such bigotry. THere is nothing in the world MORE bigoted than those who would kill others for leaving their belief system, yet you support this.

Your dishonesty here is utterly pathetic.
 
Gardener said:
Ii figured it would only be a matter of times before you were not content with merely making a number of incredibly stupid statements and went for the home run.

Yes, in your mixed up, crazy world.it is those who object to the desire to kill people for their belief who are the bigots. It is bigoted to reject totalitarian belief systems that require the killing to keep control. Only a bigot would dare to find something wrong with amputating limbs for petty theft, for killing one's daughter for ego gratification or for putting homosexuals to death. Those behaviors and beliefs are not bigoted in any way, of course, since you defend them so strenuously that you would call other people a bigot if they object.

What an absolutely Orwellian cesspool of ignorance you espouse when you intentionally invert bigot with those who object to such bigotry. THere is nothing in the world MORE bigoted than those who would kill others for leaving their belief system, yet you support this.

Your dishonesty here is utterly pathetic.
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Notice that I didn't actually read your post, because I don't read trash.
 
Maenad said:
Then what is the correct percentage, and how does that tally out into actual people? Even % would come to 10 million. That would be more than the population of our largest city.

From your link:



I guess he slept through the Boston Marathon.
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And Fort Hood-which was "workplace violence", as he shot people and yelled alahu ackbar.
 
Amadeus said:
Brigitte the Bully vs. Moderate Muslim

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How do you know this is a 'moderate muslim?' There was a time that the 9-11 hijackers had never committed a violent act? Oh wait, she is in law school. Could it be? She is just another scummy lawyer wannabe? Nah.........couldn't be that at all.

You completely missed the point of the first clip. The so called 'moderate muslim' was not there to participate in the purpose of the meeting. She was there to disrupt and she got slapped down which is what she deserved.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
In the video she said 25% are radicals. There is no source to back that up. Do you not recognize that?



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I posted a link to a reputable pew research report on Muslim attitudes.

If you are capable of any honesty whatsoever, you will take a look at these attitudes with a critical eye. If you are incapable of honesty, then by all means feel free to just continue with the program.
 
Amadeus said:
I'm not impressed by this argument. If 15-25% of North American and European Muslims believe in killing people who leave Islam, why isn't there an epidemic of such incidents?
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Gardener said:
Because of our western laws. Your defense of totalitarianism is the antithesis of liberalism,and your attempt to limit the discussion to "north american and European"Muslims which make up such a tiny percentage of Muslims is such a snivelling and pathetic attempt at subterfuge, you appear more like Poe saying intentionally stupid things in order to reflect poorly on liberals than anything else.
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Amadeus' post really was Spectacularly Dishonest.
I saw the trickery, but the reply was your lay-up.
As I've been saying throughout, He cannot debate his Lost positions, so moves the goal posts.
Woah!
All of a sudden [All] "Muslims" became Only the less than 2% who live in and are governed by Western govt's and in which they are a tiny minority.
Beneath Contempt.


Amadeus said:

Islam doesn't really preach anything that Judaism doesn't.
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Gardener said:
How utterly idiotic. . Judaism has no concept similar to Jihad and did not spread by the sword. It does not seek converts, nor is it based upon one, single prophet. Just because you are completely ignorant, you should not presume others are.
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Yes Gardener, he really went off the deep end again.
Which is worse, the first portion quoted, or the second?


Amadeus said:
If it's not a religious problem (see Judaism), and it's not a racial problem (right?), then it's a societal problem. And if you're saying that 15-25% of Muslims are extremist radicals who believe in killing infidels, then what you're really saying is that ALL MUSLIMS be looked at with suspicion. In effect, Islam is not welcome in America.
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Gardener said:
Why you keep trying to turn the discussion in to one of Jews is anybody's guess ,but it is quite apparent that you just rattle off any stray thought that enters your head instead of thinking. Your dishonesty here is simply too much to give you any credibility at all.
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Amadeus' posts are about the Worst I've ever seen, both in terms of knowledge (lack) and Dishonesty

Consistently, In his new reply to your post, he's turned turned the "15%-25%" Premise into "30%"!! and blamed YOU for HIS Dishonest limitation of Muslims to Just ones under Western govts alone. Not the universe of all musloim that WAS the topic until his disingenuous sneaking/limitation.

Amadeus said:
... You said that OVER 30% of Muslims are radicalised. You didn't specify that it was location-dependent, you just made a blanket statement about Muslims.
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No. The Premise is 15%-25% of all Muslims.
Trying for 30% now?
Why not go for the complete Strawman "100%"?
How Baldy DISHONEST again!

Amadeus to Gardener said:
You didn't address my point. Do you think that Muslims in America should be looked at with suspicion?
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What do you think?
30% of all Young Black Males in the USA have been in the Penal system.
Are they any more suspected?

15-25% of Muslims [Worldwide] are "Radical" (I believe and Polls Already Posted here show MOST are Literal/Fundamental, if not the loaded word 'Radical') and want Sharia Law, etc.

And
1. You STILL Can't answer my post/MY point despite THREE Postings.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...-against-radical-islam-14.html#post1063452132
Nah, Not going away.

2. Amadeus' Signature is Blindingly Ignorant/Hypocritical!
He cites Hitchens on Falwell.
Falwell who is no more Pious/"Radical" than 2/3+ of Muslims!

Hitchens is a Huge Critic of not just Religion, but Islam In Particular!
Yes, liberal and PC hypocrites love to Bash Falwell/Roberston et al, but are so blindly Partisan the don't realize that MOST Muslims are as Literal/Fundamental/Radical or MORE than either preacher.

Oh Yeah Use Hitchens!
DOH!
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Facing the Islamist Menace
Christopher Hitchens
Mark Steyn’s new book is a Welcome Wake-up call.
Facing the Islamist Menace by Christopher Hitchens, City Journal Winter 2007

Londonistan
Christopher Hitchens
Londonistan Calling | Vanity Fair

IOW, Amadeus' Sig is H!tchens, who would AGREE with the Prem!se at hand and, as me, an even Larger claim..
DOH!
What an IGNORANT disaster Amadeus' posts are!
 
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Amadeus said:
Notice that I didn't actually read your post, because I don't read.
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You wouldn't want any knowledge of the world to compromise that state of perfect ignorance you have achieved, now,would you?
 
Hitchens is a Huge Critic of not just Religion, but Islam In Particular!
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What's your point? You seem to be under the allusion that I'm a defender of Islam. I'm an atheist. If you want my opinion of Islam, lets head on over to the religion forum. If you want my opinion of Brigitte Gabriel, I guess we're in the right place.

Honest criticism of religion? I'm all for it. That doesn't change who Brigitte Gabriel is.
 
Gardener said:
You wouldn't want any knowledge of the world to compromise that state of perfect ignorance you have achieved, now,would you?
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What a stupid comment.
 
TYT gets it right again.

 
mbig said:
Your posts are 100% DISHONEST.
You Avoid ALL issues.
Dramatically and DISHONESTLY Cut off all the mat when you 'quote' other posters.
Just reduced my meaty post to one sentence, while avoiding others completely.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...-against-radical-islam-14.html#post1063452132

You LIE about what was said such as twisting All Muslims into the mere 2% who are Western ones.
Just LIED again changing 15-25% into "30%".
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No, Gardener said that even more Muslims than 25% were in favour of killing people who leave the Muslim faith. So I bumped it up to 30%. My mistake?

Brigitte Gabriel said that 25% of Muslims (including Americans) are radicals. If you make a blanket statement against Muslims like that, you have to be prepared to support it. Is it 25% of Muslims, or non-American Muslims?
 
Amadeus said:
That doesn't change who Brigitte Gabriel is.
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She is an angry Lebanese woman who saw her Christian country overrun by Islamists ,and does not support Islamism.

Now,I realize that the knowledge that Lebanon had a Christian majority upon its inception escapes you as does every other bit of knowledge about the world, but Beirut was once called the Paris of the Middle East. Islamist thuggery has put an end to all that.
 
mbig said:
Yes Gardener, he really went off the deep end again.
Which is worse, the first portion quoted, or the second?
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You might as well ask me which case of the flu I've ever had is worse.

Degrees of awfulness.
 
Amadeus said:
What's your point? You seem to be under the allusion that I'm a defender of Islam. I'm an atheist. If you want my opinion of Islam, lets head on over to the religion forum. If you want my opinion of Brigitte Gabriel, I guess we're in the right place.

Honest criticism of religion? I'm all for it. That doesn't change who Brigitte Gabriel is.
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Your posts are 100% DISHONEST.
You Avoid ALL issues.

Dramatically and DISHONESTLY Cut off all the meat when you 'quote' other posters.
Just reduced my meaty post to one sentence...
while avoiding others completely.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...-against-radical-islam-14.html#post1063452132

You LIE about what was said such as twisting All Muslims into the mere 2% who are Western ones under USA/EU law.
Just LIED again changing the actual premise of "15-25%" into "30%".

The Religion section does NOT allow criticism of religion. THIS is the correct section.
Wrong again.

And of course you have DISHONESTLY avoided everything that was said above (which refuted you) and 'short-quoted' me. Thus your obfuscation/suggestion of moving sections.
The most Dishonest Posting I've EVER seen outside of one or two lunatics in the Conspiracy section who can't help themselves.

And the reason for Amadeus' unwillingness to address the truth is, again, he is NONCONVERSANT on the issue and posts, as his last, Boobtubes instead.


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Below is yet another ContentLess LIE by Amadeus.
He has NOT responded to my last post Nor the one linked above in this one.
And again he 'Short-quoted' even this post which points out the Dishonest tactic!

EDIT 2: And seems to be on a consecutive Fudging streak below to cover up/patch his Outed Lies, but Still NO topical posts save boobtubes.
This
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...-against-radical-islam-14.html#post1063452132
and others are avoided by Amadeus because he Cannot answer the simple truth.
 
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mbig said:
You LIE about what was said such as twisting All Muslims into the mere 2% who are Western ones.
Just LIED again changing the actual premise of "15-25%" into "30%".
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I already responded to this post. You don't have to post it again.
 
Maenad said:
How do you know this is a 'moderate muslim?'
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How do you know any Muslim is moderate if you subscribe to the theory that up to 25% are radicalised?
 
mbig said:
Your posts are 100% DISHONEST.
EDIT:
Below is yet another ContentLess LIE by Amadeus.
He has NOT responded to my last post Nor the one linked above in this one.
And again he 'short-quoted' even this post![/b]
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I said:

No, Gardener said that even more Muslims than 25% were in favour of killing people who leave the Muslim faith. So I bumped it up to 30%. My mistake?

Brigitte Gabriel said that 25% of Muslims (including Americans) are radicals. If you make a blanket statement against Muslims like that, you have to be prepared to support it. Is it 25% of Muslims, or non-American Muslims?

Edit: Keep in mind that I generally don't respond to nonsense. If I short quote you, it's because you're getting off-topic or you're speaking nonsense.
 
mbig said:
The problem here is the use/meaning of 'radical'.​
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Brigitte has defined Radical islam:

"a practising Muslim who goes to mosque every Friday, prays five times a day, and who believes that the Koran is the word of God, and who believes that Mohammed is the perfect man and (four inaudible words) is a radical Muslim."

But how many are Fundamentalist? Literalist? Is that "radical?
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I'm talking about Brigitte's definition.

So 'radical'? Would you call Falwell/Robertson Radical? Because I would say about 2/3++ of Muslims are at least that 'radical'.
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No, I would call Falwell and Robertson little bigoted men. Religious opportunists.

The rest of your post doesn't apply to me, or to most Muslims.​
 
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