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Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

Do you agree with this womans comments against radical Islam?

  • Im a right leaning American, no.

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I already did. Watch the video in the link I originally posted. 7%=/=25%. And furthermore, her claim here is based off of the fact that the religion of extremist groups is at all relevant. It's not. When someone murders someone, we don't legislate the punishment based on their intent; we legislate based on what they did, so that sort of policy doesn't differ when someone who is willing to use violence comes from a sort religion. I fail to see how the existence of extremist groups makes Islam as a religion a problem at all.

I was under the impression that I already did.

A video wont do it, if videos were the standard we wouldnt need actual research, would we? Show me that both are comparing apples to apples and we can go from there. But if we are merely picking videos to make points thats shaky ground. In any case, its still a massive number.

If my math is correct thats still something like 120 million. Meaning its a effing huge number, which still makes her case.

And you owned the ME comment until you started dancing about the number including those elsewhere in asia, which is NOT what you said.

Be up front, theres no need to hide, though liberals never seem to want to do that.
 
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I think radical Islam is great in that it provides the rest of humanity with the glaring true nature of all religion distilled at purest forum, in all its primitive horribleness.
 
I think radical Islam is great in that it provides the rest of humanity with the glaring true nature of all religion distilled at purest forum, in all its primitive horribleness.

I dont think radical islam is representative of most of the worlds religions, do you?
 
I dont think radical islam is representative of most of the worlds religions, do you?



Yeah I do.


I don't truly believe your average 9-5 American Christian is any less intellectually lunatic on an intelligence level than the radical Islamists crucifying people in Iraq. Both are stupid in my opinion. Having a strong secular pillar within you is the sign of intelligence. I firmly believe if the average American Christian who goes around wearing a cross was allowed to run the US we'd be in a civil war after 10 years.
 
Yeah I do.


I don't truly believe your average 9-5 American Christian is any less intellectually lunatic on an intelligence level than the radical Islamists crucifying people in Iraq. Both are stupid in my opinion. Having a strong secular pillar within you is the sign of intelligence. I firmly believe if the average American Christian who goes around wearing a cross was allowed to run the US we'd be in a civil war after 10 years.

All of this suggests you might be a lefty, who is anti religion without recognizing that liberalism is its own religion.
 
All of this suggests you might be a lefty, who is anti religion without recognizing that liberalism is its own religion.


Ugh. Even the idea of having to tear down that post is sorta intellectually revolting but I will nonetheless.


I'm a progressive nationalist. Considering Odin and Peter Pan have about as much legitimacy to me as the Jewish Middle East god Jesus or Allah, yes, I'm anti fantasy worship.


Liberalism? No it isn't a religion. It's very debatable what liberalism even is. I'm extremely far from a liberal, but then I'm also extremely far from an idiot conservative, I'd likely promptly do away with both.
 
Ugh. Even the idea of having to tear down that post is sorta intellectually revolting but I will nonetheless.


I'm a progressive nationalist. Considering Odin and Peter Pan have about as much legitimacy to me as the Jewish Middle East god Jesus or Allah, yes, I'm anti fantasy worship.


Liberalism? No it isn't a religion. It's very debatable what liberalism even is. I'm extremely far from a liberal, but then I'm also extremely far from an idiot conservative, I'd likely promptly do away with both.

So liberalism, and progressivism, as the terms are used and understood in the US are extremely far apart? If you are "extremely far" from liberalism and conservatism, where are you in the spectrum? Are you a moderate?
 
Are you telling me you are precisely in the middle? The epitome of centrist? What are the odds of that?

On some issues I'm left. On others I'm right. At least that is how others perceive my stances. Personally I don't hold my stances as either right or left. I base my stances on the issue itself. Not on whether its a right stance or a left stance. IMO people are too fixated on "right" and "left". Particularly since what is considered "right" and "left" changes depending on the generation that is in power.
 
On some issues I'm left. On others I'm right. At least that is how others perceive my stances. Personally I don't hold my stances as either right or left. I base my stances on the issue itself. Not on whether its a right stance or a left stance. IMO people are too fixated on "right" and "left". Particularly since what is considered "right" and "left" changes depending on the generation that is in power.

You almost certainly have a lean in some way, and yes I mean to others. Asked another way, if you were to self-describe your political lean, would you say its precisely and fully in the middle of the political spectrum? If that answer is no, to which side would would you lean?
 
Radical is just that...no matter to whom you pray or even if you pray.

What is the major distinction in the IRA and ISIS if both believe in the same God?
 
You almost certainly have a lean in some way, and yes I mean to others. Asked another way, if you were to self-describe your political lean, would you say its precisely and fully in the middle of the political spectrum? If that answer is no, to which side would would you lean?

Look under my avatar. I'm Independent. Again, I'm neither left, nor right. Some people consider me left of center, others consider me right of center. As such what others think my lean is has no bearing on what I really am because they only base their decisions on how they have seen me talk in specific issues.
 
Look under my avatar. I'm Independent. Again, I'm neither left, nor right. Some people consider me left of center, others consider me right of center. As such what others think my lean is has no bearing on what I really am because they only base their decisions on how they have seen me talk in specific issues.

I see this as intellectually lazy. Many centrists think they are somehow above the fray, but I disagree.

BTW, Im a registered independent in CA, but am actually conservative with libertarian leanings. Independant does not mean centrist.
 
I see this as intellectually lazy. Many centrists think they are somehow above the fray, but I disagree.

BTW, Im a registered independent in CA, but am actually conservative with libertarian leanings. Independant does not mean centrist.

But i'm not a centrist either. My lean is Independent for a reason. It is not just about not being a part of the Republican or Democratic platform. For a true Independent it is about not caring about party lines or party affiliations or party titles or groups period. Its about judging issues on their own merit and the right and left and anything else be damned. The only thing that matters is whether the merit of a specific issue is valid or not. You can call that intellectually lazy if you want. But it takes a lot more intellectual exercise to come up with your own individual stance on each particular issue than it does to follow a crowd and just nod your head.
 


Agree with which woman, the lady asking the question of the lady on the panel?

I agree with the lady asking the question to a large extent. We cannot win the war with radical Islam militarily. However I do not think the focus should be ideological either. It needs to be economic. The funding for radical Islam is rooted in the benefits of being based in a oil-rich region in a world that is almost exclusively dependent on oil as its economic life's blood. This does not have to be. We have technology that could bring the terrorist/dictator economy to its knees if we would simply get behind it. All it would take is for the electric car sector to have the same benefits of large-scale mass production and competitive forces in play to further encourage innovation and some healthy price wars and the game gets changed with respect to our need to underwrite terrorism (or open up new markets for terrorist funding thinking if they sold their oil to China instead of us, that somehow means they're no longer a problem because our favorite political pundit said so.). The only way we will win the war on terror is to force them to try to create an economy on the camel dairy and date sugar industries by flooding the globe with electric automotive technology.

I agree with the lady on the panel too. 15% is still 300 million people willing to die if it means they get to kill some Americans in the process. 300 million people is roughly the same as the entire population of the United States. I think however the economic pressure of making petroleum almost worthless compared to the status it holds now is a better and more effective option than killing our way out of the problem.
 
But i'm not a centrist either. My lean is Independent for a reason. It is not just about not being a part of the Republican or Democratic platform. For a true Independent it is about not caring about party lines or party affiliations or party titles or groups period. Its about judging issues on their own merit and the right and left and anything else be damned. The only thing that matters is whether the merit of a specific issue is valid or not. You can call that intellectually lazy if you want. But it takes a lot more intellectual exercise to come up with your own individual stance on each particular issue than it does to follow a crowd and just nod your head.

I agree with this and frankly dont know many people who fully agree with ANY parties political platform. But I can look back at the opinions and beliefs and opinions I have and plot them out approximately as left or right (and in a few cases, frankly both sides).

Im not asking for an exhaustive self examination, Im asking for you to look across the spectrum of your beliefs and roughly plot them out. Its rare that they are truly all over the map, much as a centrist who is truly EXACTLY in the middle is rare.

Incidentally, the reason I word poll choices the way I do is to gather general insight into some of these issues, at least as far as they are seen across the spectrum. If we water it down with a million choices it becomes less useful. This isnt a research paper.
 
Classical liberals have more in common with modern conservatives than modern liberals. Liberals are good at moving from name to name as they soil each one.

The problem is the classic liberal or the traditional conservative really do not exist anymore. You are correct, individual liberty which was so important to a classic liberal has been replace by group security or at least identifying everything with groups instead of individuals.
 
The problem is the classic liberal or the traditional conservative really do not exist anymore. You are correct, individual liberty which was so important to a classic liberal has been replace by group security or at least identifying everything with groups instead of individuals.

You might be right, I see the dichotomy today as more those who are for individualism and self reliance vs those who are for increasing the size of the state-so as to mobilize it to get their way.

Those for big govt vs those who aren't.

Interestingly enough, I see more and more conservatives with libertarian leanings which gets closer to conservatism than the republican party has been for some time.

I personally am non-religious and pro-choice, but recognize that the facts of life are conservative and appreciate that. Im not for more govt control and dont see the role of govt as a means of social change.
 
Brigitte Gabrielle says that 15-25% of Muslims are radicalised. :lol:

She's nothing more than a crazy, right-wing fear-monger. Her accent doesn't give her any credibility on the Middle East or Muslim affairs.
 
You might be right, I see the dichotomy today as more those who are for individualism and self reliance vs those who are for increasing the size of the state-so as to mobilize it to get their way.

Those for big govt vs those who aren't.

Interestingly enough, I see more and more conservatives with libertarian leanings which gets closer to conservatism than the republican party has been for some time.

I personally am non-religious and pro-choice, but recognize that the facts of life are conservative and appreciate that. Im not for more govt control and dont see the role of govt as a means of social change.

I think basically we are saying the same thing, but in a different way. The meaning is the same.
 
Brigitte Gabrielle says that 15-25% of Muslims are radicalised. :lol:

She's nothing more than a crazy, right-wing fear-monger. Her accent doesn't give her any credibility on the Middle East or Muslim affairs.

Ah heres the character assassination, right on cue. She was born and grew up in the middle east, I believe she knows more than you and I. Forget her accent, her points still are valid and quite coherent how about you prove her wrong by providing data.

If you dont like that, address those rather than attack her. If you have different numbers, comparing the same parameters I'd love to see it. The same goes for the studies I posted here in this thread. (pew, etc)
 
Brigitte goes on CNN and gets schooled by a Muslim.

 
Early interview with my Friend Brigitte Gabriel at Duke:




I posted her vids as early as 2004/5
Brigitte Gabriel: Maronite Lebanese, Video - Christian Forums


The problem here is the use/meaning of 'radical'.
Certainly 25% of Muslims aren't "terrorists" .. the old strawman we see in this string and in the rigged youngturk youtube in the post above mine.
Terrorists would be under 1%.

But how many are Fundamentalist? Literalist? Is that "radical?
If we use those terms the way we use it on Christians it would be a healthy Majority.
The same healthy Majority that supports Sharia worldwide and elected the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, with the more "Radical" Salafis second. Between them 70%.
Salafis, Coincidentally (Not), won 25% in 'moderate' Egypt!
Do you consider the MB "radical"? Salafis?
So her claim is Not at all off base.
Many Muslims and Muslim govts financially support terrorists radicals: Saudi, Pakistan, Hamas charities, etc.

Christians are persecuted and Cleansed in Most Muslim countries by their peoples AND Governments.

So 'radical'? Would you call Falwell/Robertson Radical? Because I would say about 2/3++ of Muslims are at least that 'radical'.
Then, of course, you have the problem of Literal or Radical to What?

Being Literal to the NT would cause what counterproductive behavior exactly? Teaching creationism instead of evolution?
Being literal to the Koran, OTOH, has many Violent repercussions we do see worldwide.
People die Every day in the NAME of Islam/it's scripture.
What would Falwell proscribe for Adultery, Counseling? While a Majority of Muslims support Stoning to Death for Adultery as prescribed by Sharia.

A Christian Fundamentalist is a missionary, a Muslim Fundamentalist Kills him.
 
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15% to 25% of all the world's Muslims are radical jihadist. :eek: And Obama is :laughat: supposedly in charge of our national security :lamo (NOT) and wants to issue millions of travel visas and immigrant visas to these Muslims. :screwy

Why is it that every post you make, regardless of the subject, turns into a bash of Obama? EVery frickin' post. Congratulations.
 
Haven't seen any Christians stepping up to stop radical Christians from furthering persecution of homosexuals in Uganda.

Stop them? Hell the Far Right bible-thumping wackos support them.
 
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