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Should All Companies be Required to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

Should Congress Pass A Bill That Requires Employers to Provide Paid Maternity Leave?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 30.8%
  • No

    Votes: 58 63.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 5 5.5%

  • Total voters
    91
Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?

'MURICA! Also, Papau New Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Swaziland!

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Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?

Obama is a well-known liberal. Liberals hate businesses. Therefore, it's not surprising that Obama would propose some asshat idea that will only result in:

1. Hurting businesses.
2. Hurting employees.

Furthermore, liberals should really dump this idea of theirs that "a law from the feds" can fix anything.

(God...I can't wait till the Democrats get their asses kicked in 2014 and 2016.)
 
'MURICA! Also, Papau New Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Swaziland!

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Some countries shoot people crossing their borders....would you like us to change that policy also?

Other countries, you take a test in 8th grade, and then they TELL you where you go next....college, or technical/trade school....shall we adopt this policy also?

There are a lot of countries that do things differently than us.....i wouldnt say theirs is the best way........would you?
 
Obama is a well-known liberal. Liberals hate businesses. Therefore, it's not surprising that Obama would propose some asshat idea that will only result in:

1. Hurting businesses.
2. Hurting employees.

Furthermore, liberals should really dump this idea of theirs that "a law from the feds" can fix anything.

(God...I can't wait till the Democrats get their asses kicked in 2014 and 2016.)

1.)If Obama is a liberal, he is one terrible liberal
2.)This would hurt employees?
3.)It wouldnt hurt business an the economy. If the worker who is on leave still has income coming in they have money to spend. Hell lots of businesses offer some sort of maternity leave.
 
Some countries shoot people crossing their borders....would you like us to change that policy also?

Other countries, you take a test in 8th grade, and then they TELL you where you go next....college, or technical/trade school....shall we adopt this policy also?

There are a lot of countries that do things differently than us.....i wouldnt say theirs is the best way........would you?

Terrible retort. Please explain why America, Papau New Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Swaziland are right about maternal leave and the rest of the entire WORLD are wrong.
 
Obviously yes. And anyone who believes in reducing the number of abortions but opposes guaranteeing paid leave is a hypocrite. If the U.S. wasn't such an awful place to raise a mother, much less people in lower incomes would be motivated to have an abortion.

Obama is a well-known liberal. Liberals hate businesses.

Far from the actual definition of liberalism: Economic liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Some countries shoot people crossing their borders....would you like us to change that policy also?

Other countries, you take a test in 8th grade, and then they TELL you where you go next....college, or technical/trade school....shall we adopt this policy also?

There are a lot of countries that do things differently than us.....i wouldnt say theirs is the best way........would you?

So you equivocate guaranteeing paid leave with shooting people that cross the border?
 
Obviously yes. And anyone who believes in reducing the number of abortions but opposes guaranteeing paid leave is a hypocrite. If the U.S. wasn't such an awful place to raise a mother, much less people in lower incomes would be motivated to have an abortion.



Far from the actual definition of liberalism: Economic liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Abortion? What does this have to do with abortion?

shrug...

Who cares about your link about "Economic liberalism"? I'm saying that Obama is a liberal/progressive/Democrat...pick your label...they are all one and the same.
 
1.)If Obama is a liberal, he is one terrible liberal

Well, he tries hard.

2.)This would hurt employees?

Yes, it would hurt employees...especially the ones who get laid off because the business can't afford to employ them.

3.)It wouldnt hurt business an the economy. If the worker who is on leave still has income coming in they have money to spend. Hell lots of businesses offer some sort of maternity leave.

Typical liberal ignorance. Who do you think is going to earn the money that worker gets while they are on leave?
 
Abortion? What does this have to do with abortion?

shrug...

Who cares about your link about "Economic liberalism"? I'm saying that Obama is a liberal/progressive/Democrat...pick your label...they are all one and the same.

If it was not so economically unfeasible to have a child in this country, less people would be motivated to have abortions. Regarding Obama, I don't think someone who continued the War in Afghanistan, brought more customers to the healthcare industry, and supports surveillance of innocent citizens hardly deserves the label "progressive."
 
Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?

i'm not one to favor federally mandated discrimination.. no.
 
If it was not so economically unfeasible to have a child in this country, less people would be motivated to have abortions.

Oh...are you saying that a big reason people get abortions is because they can't afford to have a baby? And that the solution is to place that cost on the backs of businesses? Yep...typical liberal ignorance.

Regarding Obama, I don't think someone who continued the War in Afghanistan, brought more customers to the healthcare industry, and supports surveillance of innocent citizens hardly deserves the label "progressive."

The overriding hallmark of a liberal is the belief that government should be all-powerful...that government can...and should...provide a solution to every individual's problems. So, yes...Obama is a liberal.
 
i'm not one to favor federally mandated discrimination.. no.

You're a white male you can't be discriminated against. :mrgreen:
 
'MURICA! Also, Papau New Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Swaziland!

maternityleavemap1.gif

Is there a link to that, hard to believe many of those countries, some that don't even have a minimum wage or workplace safety standards require paid maternity leave.
 
Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?

I stand to be corrected, but Canada is a member of the industrialized world and we don't have mandatory paid maternity leave, paid for by companies. We do have mandatory "parental" leave - mother or father can take it - 17 weeks I believe, but that might have increased by now - and employees who have sick leave or vacation benefits are entitled to use them and they are also entitled to collect unemployment insurance for time they take off - mother or father - if they don't have sick time/vacation time. In all cases, the employees job is to be protected and they are entitled to return to it or a similar or better position when they return.

There are, however, lots of companies who provide better than mandated paternity benefits, which is their right and good on them. Mandating businesses to fully pay employees who are off on maternity leave would, in my opinion, make it harder for women of child bearing age to make it into the upper levels of management, even more so than they may experience without it.
 
I stand to be corrected, but Canada is a member of the industrialized world and we don't have mandatory paid maternity leave, paid for by companies. We do have mandatory "parental" leave - mother or father can take it - 17 weeks I believe, but that might have increased by now - and employees who have sick leave or vacation benefits are entitled to use them and they are also entitled to collect unemployment insurance for time they take off - mother or father - if they don't have sick time/vacation time. In all cases, the employees job is to be protected and they are entitled to return to it or a similar or better position when they return.

There are, however, lots of companies who provide better than mandated paternity benefits, which is their right and good on them. Mandating businesses to fully pay employees who are off on maternity leave would, in my opinion, make it harder for women of child bearing age to make it into the upper levels of management, even more so than they may experience without it.

I knew that image was bull****. Our Family Leave Act allows for 12 weeks.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/
 
Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave?
No. But I wish the monster would join the rest of the world and leave my country alone. He has damaged this country, possibly beyond repair. I wish only the worst for him.
 
I knew that image was bull****. Our Family Leave Act allows for 12 weeks.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/

I'm not sure what the Phys251 image refers to when it says "paid maternity leave". Since it is copyrighted to McGill - a university in Montreal - I presume they have the Canadian one right at between 26-51 weeks but I stand by the fact that it is not paid for by companies - in most cases, the woman or man who takes the leave is entitled to unemployment insurance while off - that's a small percentage of what an average employee may make and it isn't coming from the employer. It's possible, and likely in a lot of cases, that companies top up that unemployment amount to help the employee stay "whole" while off.
 
Do you agree with the President's recent statements that the US should join the rest of the industrialized world and have provided paid maternity leave? The President said that Congress should work on legislation requiring employers to have paid maternity leave? Do you believe this should be law or not?

I just changed my answer. No. I don't think companies should be required to provide paid maternity leave. Big companies may attract more talented people with this policy . . . and that's the way it should be. Not mandated. Offered.
 
Oh...are you saying that a big reason people get abortions is because they can't afford to have a baby? And that the solution is to place that cost on the backs of businesses?

Yes. That is well known and relatively accepted that people get abortions because they can't afford to have a baby. As proven by the map posted earlier, businesses still exist and do just fine in nations with paid leave.

Yep...typical liberal ignorance.

Ha. Not a liberal. Not even close.

The overriding hallmark of a liberal is the belief that government should be all-powerful...that government can...and should...provide a solution to every individual's problems. So, yes...Obama is a liberal.

"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understandings of these principles, but they generally support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."

Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing about "big government." Let's please use the actual definitions of ideologies, as opposed to the perverted American definition. Like other liberals, Obama embraces economic deregulation and privatization. Yes, he fits into the definition of liberal, but that in no way means he believes in "big government," which is an utterly meaningless phrase. The size and role of government is in no way relevant to political discussion.
 
Is there a link to that, hard to believe many of those countries, some that don't even have a minimum wage or workplace safety standards require paid maternity leave.

A Map of Maternity Leave Policies Around the World - Rebecca J. Rosen - The Atlantic

Not exactly the same as the map posted; there's a few differences among third world countries, but the point still stands.

I knew that image was bull****. Our Family Leave Act allows for 12 weeks.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/fmla/

family leave=/=paid family leave
 
Yes. That is well known and relatively accepted that people get abortions because they can't afford to have a baby. As proven by the map posted earlier, businesses still exist and do just fine in nations with paid leave.



Ha. Not a liberal. Not even close.



"Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understandings of these principles, but they generally support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."

Liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing about "big government." Let's please use the actual definitions of ideologies, as opposed to the perverted American definition. Like other liberals, Obama embraces economic deregulation and privatization. Yes, he fits into the definition of liberal, but that in no way means he believes in "big government," which is an utterly meaningless phrase. The size and role of government is in no way relevant to political discussion.

I'm not going to get into a pissing contest about what a liberal, by definition, is. Heck, LIBERALS call themselves liberals...until it turns into a dirty word, then they call themselves progressives...so I'll call them liberals. And, yes...Obama, his Democrat buddies and his supporters are liberals.

Anyway...back on topic. Why do you liberals want to place the cost of consequences of individual choices on the backs of businesses? Do you think those businesses are a bottomless money-bag that you can raid for your feel-good social agenda items? You would be more honest is you just raised taxes and let the government pay for it...but it still wouldn't be the right thing to do.
 
I stand to be corrected, but Canada is a member of the industrialized world and we don't have mandatory paid maternity leave, paid for by companies. We do have mandatory "parental" leave - mother or father can take it - 17 weeks I believe, but that might have increased by now - and employees who have sick leave or vacation benefits are entitled to use them and they are also entitled to collect unemployment insurance for time they take off - mother or father - if they don't have sick time/vacation time. In all cases, the employees job is to be protected and they are entitled to return to it or a similar or better position when they return.

There are, however, lots of companies who provide better than mandated paternity benefits, which is their right and good on them. Mandating businesses to fully pay employees who are off on maternity leave would, in my opinion, make it harder for women of child bearing age to make it into the upper levels of management, even more so than they may experience without it.

In Canada you have the 17 weeks and then the government pays one or both of the parents.
"On top of mandating maternity leave, the government offers paid leave for one or both parents through Canada's employment insurance plan. A pregnant employee or new mother can take a paid maternity leave of up to 15 weeks. " Maternity Leave Basics: Canada Vs. The U.S.
 
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