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Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face? [W:166]

Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

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Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

Reminds of a conversation I had in a lecture I took.

One of the students was an African called Louise and the guy giving the lecture once referd to her as "Nigger". After which large parts of the students gasped in confusion, to which he simply replied

"oh so you are shocked now? there is nothing bad about the word nigger! it has been arround for hundreds of years and isnt a swearword like asshole! I wont stop using it because someone in the EU says that I cant use it, so I will continue saying Nigger."

To which I replied: "And why dont you simply call her Louise?"
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

lizzie said:
Well, actually I have done so, but I have a good many NA friends, and they know it isn't an insult coming from me, but that I am kidding with them.
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what she said.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

Grand Mal said:
Untrue.
Well, okay, delete the 'american' part. Most Natives I know cringe when called 'Indians'. And the ones I've worked with who lived on reservations that spanned the border didn't consider themselves American or Canadian, the called themselves Mohawk. I don't know how it is with Navaho or Apache or whoever but there's lots of Natives in the north who consider (rightly) that the term 'treaty' describes an agreement between nations.
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Native American is a PC phrase and they know it. Native...OK. First people. Alright...especially in Canada, or just 'the people'.

"Native American" is just soft white liberals telling them what they should be happy being called. By the same logic 'Indian' could be considered offensive, Native American is worse.
 
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Jango said:
Sure, why not? They call me honkey/cracker/white boy/white man/white devil/Yankee/redneck/mick/Anglo/etc. Do I get butt hurt? Nope, I just return fire.
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Racial bigotry by a minority carries no societal implications for you. OF COURSE it's easy to ignore. It means nothing socially.

But racial bigotry by the majority does carry threat. When a white expresses racial bigotry, it means a minority will suffer injustice (thus, it constitutes racism).


It's terribly ignorant to presume racial bigotry against someone is the same for the majority as a minority.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

VanceMack said:
What is this 'N-word' you speak of?
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the R-word for native Americans is like the N-word for African Americans.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

lizzie said:
Actually, I'd most likely ask them which tribe, and if they dance the pow wow circuit, then find out where they are from, and whether or not they can make their own traditional regalia. I spent years dancing in pow-wows, and learned how to make my own regalia, including extensive beadwork, leatherworking, and moccasin making. Native Americans aren't typically hostile at all. They drive Chevy trucks rather than horses these days, just like the rest of us. If everyone would try to stop being so freakin uptight about offending someone these days, and actually spend some time getting to know other people with different backgrounds, maybe all you people with severe cases of white guilt could get over your angst. It's rather pathetic.
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That's exactly what I would do. But, ya sure wouldn't call em a 'redskin', even jokingly. And that was my point. Thank you.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

clownboy said:
Was the name Two Dogs ****ing?

Look, that's not something I would comment on to begin with, the last name thing. Now if someone I didn't know randomly blurted out at me that they are "Native American", I'd grin and find something else to do somewhere else. Folks who identify strongly with race are generally no fun to be around. I'd have as few words with him as possible.
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There is nothing wrong with commenting on a last name. I do it all the time to get to know more about someone without quizzing said person on matters too personal. I personally know a Native American with the last name "Echohawk". I do it with recognizably French names, German, English, Spanish, Russian. It is as if you think I would do it just because it sounded Native American.

But, nice dodge AGAIN! Everyone should take these dodges as capitulation that the person doing the dodge is stipulating that the word 'redskin' is a slur.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
The question is ridiculous. Who goes out of their way to call a person anything other than there name?
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And, yet another dodge. I see you too agree that 'redskin' is a slur.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

VanceMack said:
Native American is a PC phrase and they know it. Native...OK. First people. Alright...especially in Canada, or just 'the people'.

"Native American" is just soft white liberals telling them what they should be happy being called. By the same logic 'Indian' could be considered offensive, Native American is worse.
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Maybe it is regional. Here in the Northwest many of the tribes prefer Native. You often find Native Pride tattoos or bumper stickers among them.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

Dezaad said:
Conversation with a person to whom you had been just introduced:
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You: Interesting last name :)
New Person: Oh, thank you, I am Native American.
You: Cocks Winchester..
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

ecofarm said:
Racial bigotry by a minority carries no societal implications for you. OF COURSE it's easy to ignore. It means nothing socially.

But racial bigotry by the majority does carry threat. When a white expresses racial bigotry, it means a minority will suffer injustice (thus, it constitutes racism).


It's terribly ignorant to presume racial bigotry against someone is the same for the majority as a minority.
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Reginald Denny might disagree with you

Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, might disagree with you if they had not been raped and murdered
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

Dezaad said:
And, yet another dodge. I see you too agree that 'redskin' is a slur.
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No. I think that it is disrespectful to address a person whom I am just meeting with anything other than their name or a ma'am, miss or sir. That is how I was raised and what I do. It is not a dodge and the question is stupid. I wouldn't call a person I just met lady, chick, dude, bro, pale face, redskin, home boy, kid or anything else because I see all of those as rude in this context.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

Dezaad said:
But, nice dodge AGAIN! Everyone should take these dodges as capitulation that the person doing the dodge is stipulating that the word 'redskin' is a slur.
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It isn't a dodge just because we don't conduct ourselves in your set up disrespectful scenario the way that you think that we should for reasons that I have explained to you already... I already said that I called a Cherokee friend a Redskin but you don't like that either because it contains humor. Perhaps you conduct yourself around strangers in a disrespectful manner but I for one do not.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

Really, 8 people voted yes!? Holy ****ing ****.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

Bodhisattva said:
No. I think that it is disrespectful to address a person whom I am just meeting with anything other than their name or a ma'am, miss or sir. That is how I was raised and what I do. It is not a dodge and the question is stupid. I wouldn't call a person I just met lady, chick, dude, bro, pale face, redskin, home boy, kid or anything else because I see all of those as rude in this context.
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Dodge. Rude in your estimation for a different reason, but you are not addressing whether 'redskin' is additionally rude for the reason in the OP. Dodge.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
It isn't a dodge just because we don't conduct ourselves in your set up disrespectful scenario the way that you think that we should for reasons that I have explained to you already... I already said that I called a Cherokee friend a Redskin but you don't like that either because it contains humor. Perhaps you conduct yourself around strangers in a disrespectful manner but I for one do not.
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I don't call anyone by any name but what they have asked me to. But, my scenario didn't involve calling them by a different name than they have asked me to. Dodge, dodge, dodge. Equals capitulation.
 
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ecofarm said:
Racial bigotry by a minority carries no societal implications for you. OF COURSE it's easy to ignore. It means nothing socially.

But racial bigotry by the majority does carry threat. When a white expresses racial bigotry, it means a minority will suffer injustice (thus, it constitutes racism).


It's terribly ignorant to presume racial bigotry against someone is the same for the majority as a minority.
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We're talkin' about words, not actions. Actions > Words. Actions can physically harm a person, whereas words by themselves cannot.

My ignorement of it has nothing to do with my social position as a man or a white person. I grew up with "sticks & stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." Then, I went through Marine Corps. bootcamp training. I can handle words without getting all bent out of shape, even derogatory language against my heritage & family ancestors (Hatfield)… unless it is coming from a McCoy ;)

And you already know I disagree with your "sociological" views on matters such as this.
 
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TurtleDude said:
Reginald Denny might disagree with you

Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom, might disagree with you if they had not been raped and murdered
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Obviously anyone could be attacked by anyone, for any reason, but we're discussing racial slurs and how they impact the majority differently than a minority - socially.

When a black says "I hate whites" it means nothing to me socially. It's pissing in the wind. When a white says "I hate blacks" it carries a very real social threat to black people.

It's not a threat to us, it is a threat to them. That's the result of social power dynamics.
 
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Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

Eight votes for "yes" and six votes for "no" so far. The OP's plan backfired, I suppose.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

Dezaad said:
I don't call anyone by any name but what they have asked me to. But, my scenario didn't involve calling them by a different name than they have asked me to. Dodge, dodge, dodge. Equals capitulation.
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No. You haven't explained how my choosing to be a respectful person equals a dodge... and capitulation? Get over yourself with that idiotic logic. :lol:
 
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Jango said:
We're talkin' about words, not actions. Actions > Words. Actions can physically harm a person, whereas words by themselves cannot.
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False.

When words serve to create or perpetuate systemic injustice, they harm society. They become more than just words, they are threats.

My ignorement of it has nothing to do with my social position as a man or a white person.
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False.

If you were black, racial bigotry against you would carry real social threat. Because you're white, and thus it carries no threat, there's no reason for it to bother you.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

ecofarm said:
Obviously anyone could be attacked by anyone, for any reason, but we're discussing racial slurs and how they impact the majority differently than a minority - socially.

When a black says "I hate whites" it means nothing to me socially. It's pissing in the wind. When a white says "I hate blacks" it carries a very real social threat to black people.

It's not a threat to us, it is a threat to them. That's the result of social power dynamics.
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Black Gangs Vented Hatred For Whites In Downtown Attacks

Black Gangs Vented Hatred For Whites In Downtown Attacks - 7NEWS Denver TheDenverChannel.com

There are literally hundreds of stories like this that 100% refute your naïve version of reality eco... I swear, why do you persist with this white guilt crap?
 
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Van Basten said:
Eight votes for "yes" and six votes for "no" so far. The OP's plan backfired, I suppose.
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It's like a racist pride parade.
 
Re: Would you call a Native American "redskin" to their face?

ecofarm said:
Meaningless.

Whites can escape any racial injustice they perceive, simply by moving. Blacks cannot.
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And now blacks can't move? There is a black American teacher at my school that moved from Arkansas to New Zealand... I somehow think you are wrong.
 
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