The Marines
The Army
The Navy
The Air Force
NASA
NOAA
Your move.
Is the supplying of water a basic human right?
If you consider all the things the gov't spends our money on (defense, roads, bridges, justice system etc), should one of them be a simple necessity?
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If you honestly think the military is efficient than you have no idea what you are talking about. The military as a whole wastes more time,money and resources than you can imagine. Let me guess you have never been in the military have you
Water is my cheapest bill. About $40 every two months.
I'mma say, in a sense Yes, having access to potable water is a basic human right, since you're dead in 3 days without it.
But if your income (from whatever source) is above the poverty line, you should be able to pay for reasonable water use.
Without water, we cannot live. Therefore since we have a right to life we have a right to water.
The prohibition on collecting rainwater should be prohibited.
If you're not in a position to drop your own well, a "cost plus" method of delivery should be established in the locality in which you reside. The "plus" a minimal amount which covers the expenses of withdrawing, cleaning, distributing, and maintenance of infrastructure.
You cannot have a right to other people paying for something for you.
Just because something is required for living does not make it a right.
Rights are unalienable, inherent rather than parasitic.
If everything you needed was provided for you, at the expense of another's labor, why work? Your survival is not my problem, I do not live for your sake.
Get a grip. What is broken is government. Nearly every ill flows from government that has lost its way. We have a Constitution to limit the interference of government in our lives and in our affairs. Too many of us are eager to throw away our individual rights, our freedoms, our liberty, as long as someone in government promises to plunder our neighbors to give us a few undeserved crumbs.The reason I brought this up, because if a major US city has half its population unable to afford basic water supply, it speaks to how broken our capitalist system is becoming.
The Capitalist system is flailing on so many levels right now, the gov't can't provide funds fast enough. On one hand they're using the FED to pump $75 billion a month into the banking system and even more into social, safety net programs. We're losing the middle class faster than in the Great Depression and will have a large, working poor class juxtaposed against a super wealthy ruling class.
These two quotes, rightly understood, are not incompatible. You don't have an intrinsic right to someone delivering water to your home, but you do have a right to the water that falls from the sky, at a subsistence level.
You don't have an intrinsic right to someone delivering water to your home, but you do have a right to the water that falls from the sky, at a subsistence level.
The reason I brought this up, because if a major US city has half its population unable to afford basic water supply, it speaks to how broken our capitalist system is becoming.
There is a whole host of 'water' lawyers out there that would say you are wrong. And the water laws are insane. As I have mentioned before, there are places in the mountains here where it is illegal for you to collect snow out of your yard (for whatever reason) because some state down river has claim to that snow once it melts and runs off and runs through their state. It's pure insanity.
These two quotes, rightly understood, are not incompatible. You don't have an intrinsic right to someone delivering water to your home, but you do have a right to the water that falls from the sky, at a subsistence level. If someone is taking water that fell from the sky and not leaving enough for everyone's subsistence, then there is a conflict. A conflict which should resolve with the individual right trumping the business.
There is a whole host of 'water' lawyers out there that would say you are wrong. And the water laws are insane. As I have mentioned before, there are places in the mountains here where it is illegal for you to collect snow out of your yard (for whatever reason) because some state down river has claim to that snow once it melts and runs off and runs through their state. It's pure insanity.
Take for instance not only the rainwater but aquafiers. Some places have demanded residents to fill their wells and link up to the main and pay for water. That company has no more right to that aquafier than the individuals sinking there wells but the coercive force of government actively denies them of what they've procured for themselves.
Rightly understood?
By who's standards?
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Not!
I am not saying what the law is, but rather what the law ought to be. Subsistence is a birthright as far as I am concerned.
I'd rather not pay for water.
So you think it is your birthright to take the labor of others just because you need it to survive. Does that go for food to. Should farmers have to give you a portion of the food they grow because it is your birthright. What about heat in the winter. In some places you will die without heat. Should you get free electricity when ever it gets really cold. What about if your furnace breaks. You will freeze to death without it. Should someone have to food it for free for you. I mean subsistence is your birthright.
some sort of independent commission should decide this.
Could be written off.
What about them?
They could buy access to a well.
You can install a well or some sort of tank that holds large qunaitites of water or rent from a well.Yes, wells are everywhere in big cities.
Uhhh.. You do realize many non-socialists hold this same idea right? Its not strictly a socialist idea.This is the problem with socialists: when you actually start asking questions and looking at simple scenarios, reality goes right out the window. There has never been a committee or five year plan that has been able to properly support a populace long-term. But you know what have given the greatest good to the greatest amount of people, repeatedly, throughout history since its inception?
What about it.The market.
That's a service.Is the supplying of water a basic human right?
Get a grip. What is broken is government. Nearly every ill flows from government that has lost its way. We have a Constitution to limit the interference of government in our lives and in our affairs. Too many of us are eager to throw away our individual rights, our freedoms, our liberty, as long as someone in government promises to plunder our neighbors to give us a few undeserved crumbs.
It is time to fix our broken government.
It is time to amend the Constitution in ways that will compel the Federal vermin to comply with the Constitution.