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Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs? [W:87]

Should medically judged fat people pay higher medical costs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 42.5%

  • No

    Votes: 42 57.5%
  • Total voters
    73
polgara said:
I wouldn't call that guy obese! If he is, every professional football player can be called obese, when they're just big muscular guys. He doesn't have jowls or rolls of fat. Look at the difference in height between him and the man behind him.

Greetings, Ryan5. :2wave:
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Wrong actually (not to offend you, but you are indeed wrong). Most American Football players take illegal steroids that inflate their weight. So considering that I wouldn't use American Football players as an example. They are in a profession where you eat unnatural amounts, though many of them are in fact fat yes.


The man is actually medically fat. A doctor would tell him he's fat (and very likely has). I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend your sensibilities but if you seriously look at these pictures and don't think he's fat.. ummmm Yeah..... That could be your problem right there..

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Again, as another example, IF you look at this picture and have to ask if they're fat........ Houston, I think we found the problem.. (And in case you aren't sure if they're fat (LOL), Yeah, they're fat honey).

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Bodhisattva said:
I drink because of my ex-wife... she will have to pay my increase because I am unemployed and not looking for work... on the other hand, I am single. What are you doing this weekend?
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Weekend is over here. It's almost 10:00 pm Sunday. :)
 
Ryan5 said:
Wrong actually (not to offend you, but you are indeed wrong). Most American Football players take illegal steroids that inflate their weight. So considering that I wouldn't use American Football players as an example. They are in a profession where you eat unnatural amounts, though many of them are in fact fat yes.


The man is actually medically fat. A doctor would tell him he's fat (and very likely has). I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend your sensibilities but if you seriously look at these pictures and don't think he's fat.. ummmm Yeah..... That could be your problem right there..

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You totally suck at this. He looks fine IMO. He's a little chubby but certainly not obese. THIS is obese.

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ChrisL said:
Weekend is over here. It's almost 10:00 pm Sunday. :)
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Curse the Earth and it's distances and time zones!! It is 2 pm Monday here... but I also noticed that you didn't say no.
 
ChrisL said:
You totally suck at this. He looks fine IMO. He's a little chubby but certainly not obese. THIS is obese.

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You should have smiled, Chris...
 
ChrisL said:
You totally suck at this. He looks fine IMO. He's a little chubby but certainly not obese. THIS is obese.
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But see there's your irrationality manifested. You're out in the open about your misconceptions even.

Your opinion is irrelevant. The man is fat by medical standards. If the man walked into a hospital and asked a doctor the doctor would deem him medically overweight. He is not healthy officially speaking. You don't have to like that but you shouldn't try to deceive people that someone is "fine" when they are in fact fat.

That woman is extremely obese. The man is simply obese.

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Ryan5 said:
Wrong actually (not to offend you, but you are indeed wrong). Most American Football players take illegal steroids that inflate their weight. So considering that I wouldn't use American Football players as an example. They are in a profession where you eat unnatural amounts, though many of them are in fact fat yes.


The man is actually medically fat. A doctor would tell him he's fat (and very likely has). I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend your sensibilities but if you seriously look at these pictures and don't think he's fat.. ummmm Yeah..... That could be your problem right there..

FHlGMLl.jpg

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Again, as another example, IF you look at this picture and have to ask if they're fat........ Houston, I think we found the problem.. (And in case you aren't sure if they're fat (LOL), Yeah, they're fat honey).

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Does one judge by belly fat on a male? I must be used to seeing men who look like that, but to me they just look big and brawny, not fat. I'm not very tall, so maybe that's the problem - everybody is bigger than I am - even 6th grade kids! :mrgreen:
 
Ryan5 said:
But see there's your irrationality manifested. You're out in the open about your misconceptions even.

Your opinion is irrelevant. The man is fat by medical standards. If the man walked into a hospital and asked a doctor the doctor would deem him medically overweight. He is not healthy officially speaking. You don't have to like that but you shouldn't try to deceive people that someone is "fine" when they are in fact fat.

That woman is extremely obese. The man is simply obese.

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Unless you have his measurements, you don't know that he is obese. He looks a little bit overweight if anything, not obese though. What do you have against that guy anyways? There are way better examples you could use, why him?

His BMI has to be over a certain amount in order to qualify as being "obese." So tell us all, what IS his BMI?
 
ChrisL said:
Unless you have his measurements, you don't know that he is obese. He looks a little bit overweight if anything, not obese though. What do you have against that guy anyways? There are way better examples you could use, why him?

His BMI has to be over a certain amount in order to qualify as being "obese." So tell us all, what IS his BMI?
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Ohhhh so you look at those pictures of him and then turn around and claim he's not medically fat eh?
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Okay.

Guess that's all we need to know about you then. :)
 
People who live in large cities, people that travel a lot, people that work too much.

Obese people should not pay higher charges unless everyone that does something that is deemed dangerous to their health has to. Which pretty much makes "higher costs" "average costs."
 
Ryan5 said:
Ohhhh so you look at those pictures of him and then turn around and claim he's not medically fat eh?
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Okay.

Guess that's all we need to know about you then. :)
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We would have to know his BMI to make such a determination. Also, there is a difference between being "fat" and being "obese" like I've already tried to explain to you a couple of times now.
 
Ryan5 said:
Wrong actually (not to offend you, but you are indeed wrong). Most American Football players take illegal steroids that inflate their weight. So considering that I wouldn't use American Football players as an example. They are in a profession where you eat unnatural amounts, though many of them are in fact fat yes.


The man is actually medically fat. A doctor would tell him he's fat (and very likely has). I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend your sensibilities but if you seriously look at these pictures and don't think he's fat.. ummmm Yeah..... That could be your problem right there..

FHlGMLl.jpg

KIMcnVA.jpg



Again, as another example, IF you look at this picture and have to ask if they're fat........ Houston, I think we found the problem.. (And in case you aren't sure if they're fat (LOL), Yeah, they're fat honey).

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Visually yes no one in those pictures is what someone would call skinny. But you still have no clue if any of those people are unhealthy. You are just saying that they look fat to you. As far as we know all of the above are healthier than you will ever be.
 
JumpinJack said:
While I have no problem with sin taxes on fattening food, my point was that much of food is not fattening if eaten in reasonable portions at reasonable times. A burger is not fattening if you take into account the calories & fat grams and such. It's only when you combine a burger with other foods that it becomes fattening. See my point? Baked chicken is not fattening, per se. But it would be if you eat it with other foods that day that push your calories over your limit.

A few peeps a year, or even a quantity of them only at Easter, doesn't make a person fat.

We don't want to make food too expensive for people. It's not like cigarettes. People need food to stay alive and operate at a healthy level. It's really not up to me to say what a person should or should not to be normal weight. If someone wants to eat one large, fattening meal a day instead of six small meals, none of my business. Charging higher ins. premiums for the RESULT (obesity) makes more sense to me. Because it's the obesity, not the Peeps at Easter, that cause health issues and ins. claims.

If someone is obese, there is no doubt that it will cause medical problems. It's only a question of when. The metabolic syndrome will kick in (that is the trifecta of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes...I think those are the 3 - all caused by morbid obesity).

But none of this matters. Under Obamacare, only people over the age of 50 are allowed to be charged higher premiums, so they are taking the hit for all this.
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I agree. So if we have a sin tax on something that one doesn't eat too much of, it's not costing them much is it, and thus isn't causing them much harm. then if we use the revenue from that tax to provide them with insurance, they get every penny back, and more. Only those who eat an excessive amount of junk food would be financially disincentivized by this, and those are the people that we should want to discourage eating junk food.

They also pay for the sin of creating their own poor health, instead of ME having to pay for the results of THEIR bad eating habits.

It just seems like the most practical and least harmful solution to the problem.
 
Ryan5 said:
But see there's your irrationality manifested. You're out in the open about your misconceptions even.

Your opinion is irrelevant. The man is fat by medical standards. If the man walked into a hospital and asked a doctor the doctor would deem him medically overweight. He is not healthy officially speaking. You don't have to like that but you shouldn't try to deceive people that someone is "fine" when they are in fact fat.

That woman is extremely obese. The man is simply obese.

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Ultimately, what a doctor says is irrelevant. What matters is are you healthy and fit for exercise.

I was supposed to be 195 lbs according to my doc when I was 205. I was muscular and a very athletic competitive athlete. He actually said I was "overweight". :lol:

Got a new doctor soon after that.
 
Ryan5 said:
Ohhhh so you look at those pictures of him and then turn around and claim he's not medically fat eh?
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Okay.

Guess that's all we need to know about you then. :)
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Being funny means you lose 20 pounds... meaning he is actually underweight.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Ultimately, what a doctor says is irrelevant. What matters is are you healthy and fit for exercise.

I was supposed to be 195 lbs according to my doc when I was 205. I was muscular and a very athletic competitive athlete. He actually said I was "overweight". :lol:

Got a new doctor soon after that.
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You don't look overweight at all to me.
 
Perotista said:
Mainly because you asked this: I have very little idea of what is going on over there.
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But why would you say, SOS just another day? I have not made statements like that before...

... and I know what is going on from Fox's point of view, at least.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I am not sure... some if we are forced to get a health care system. The people that cost the most should pay the most. I am a very healthy and athletic 30 something year-old man and am never sick to boot. Why should I pay as much as others that are not as healthy?
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Because you may one day be unhealthy, and if not that, you may one day be old.

Wouldn't it suck if you became unhealthy tomorrow, due to no fault of your own, and became uninsurable or had to pay a million dollars a year for insurance?

Of course personally I believe that universal major medical insurance should be provided for every citizen, and funded by the existing tax dollars that are already spent on healthcare, augmented with sin taxes on unhealthy foods or dangerous behaviors.
 
ChrisL said:
People who drink alcohol should pay higher fees too then. You must drink UNDER a certain amount of alcohol or abstain from it completely. :lol: Let's see how people like THAT one.
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We do have state and federal taxes on alcohol. Maybe we should start using the revenue, along with revenue from all "sins", to pay for universal major medical coverage for every citizen.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Ultimately, what a doctor says is irrelevant. What matters is are you healthy and fit for exercise.

I was supposed to be 195 lbs according to my doc when I was 205. I was muscular and a very athletic competitive athlete. He actually said I was "overweight". :lol:

Got a new doctor soon after that.
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Absolutely madness and wrong.

If a medical doctor says you are overweight then you are officially unhealthy.

It honestly makes me sick that you people would lie to children and threaten their health with such fallacies.

Christ..
 
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