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Is Redskin a slur? [W:282]

Is Redskin a slur?


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Yes calling a Caucasian a white cracker is most definitely a slur and offensive, same as calling a Native a redskin.

White cracker on a box of crackers is not offensive. Just like red skin potatoes are not offensive. Am I really having to say this?

Same thing the government did getting involved in the 60's civil rights. Racism and discrimination are ills that should be rooted out by government when necessary. This is a free and great country for all.

Yes. So Kraft isn't calling anyone a name with their product, and the football team isn't calling anyone names with their team.
Therefore, government should get the hell out of their business.
 
Appeal to emotion. This has nothing to do with whether or not the word is always used in a slurring fashion.

And as I said earlier, no it's not. It CAN be used a slur, it isn't ONLY or ALWAYS a slur. It can be used in a non-disparaging or insulting manner, which even your definitions indicate by noting it is use is not ONLY offensive in nature, and as such is not always a slur.

I'll agree with you when I see the Alabama Darkies and the Tennessee Crackers playing
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What cities do those teams represent?
 
Yes. So Kraft isn't calling anyone a name with their product, and the football team isn't calling anyone names with their team.
Therefore, government should get the hell out of their business.

LoL... just forget it.
 




What cities do those teams represent?[/QUOTE]

The great states of Alabama and Tennessee, all the cities therein are represented by these fine mascots.
 
Is this theatre's name a slur? : Redskin Theatre in Anadarko, OK - Cinema Treasures




I don't believe that the people who named this theater in a heavily Native-American part of the USA intended to offend anyone.


funny thing,,,others cant tell me what offends me...only i can make that distinction..
you too..
like your theatre, the name in all likelyhood is not percieved/chosen as disparaging...
so its not..
i would be more offended if somebody thought they could speak for me...or censor something in my name....its bull****.
 
What cities do those teams represent?

The great states of Alabama and Tennessee, all the cities therein are represented by these fine mascots.
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Good for them (I guess.)

My fathers family is from Nashville, Tennessee and somehow I never heard of this before.
 
I'm curious what percentage of people think Redskin is a slur separate from whether or not the team's name should be changed.

I think a lot of people are so used to the Redskin name they don't even think of it as a slur because they see it simply as a descriptor of Native Americans or of its heritage and never thought of it as an insult.

I understand the Washington Redskins have dropped Washington from their name because it is embarrassing. :D (Humor, or or or.)
 
ya know,,im looking at a common can of "redskin" peanuts...

their called redskins because they have red skin...
now, our natives are not peanuts, but they have whats often been described as "red" skin...

whites, white skin...blacks, black skin,,
,hispanics, brown skin,
aisan, yellow etc.

and then you have the pickup games played all over the country every day that self identify as the "shirts" and "skins"....

its a complicated world we live in...




Actually Hispanics can be any race and have any skin color.

Hispanic is an ethnonym that denotes a relationship to Spain, or in some definitions to ancient Roman Hispania.
 
well yes, all blacks are not black, nor whites white, nor asian yellow...its just what used to be common distictions with no ill-will intended...in fact, back in the time of slavery, common folk, used the "n" word as just the way to distinguish between races...it did not start as the pejoritive it has become,,,look at twains huckelberry finn...young huck joins up with a runaway slave and they become fast friends, willing to put each other out of harms way even if it ment possibly exposing themselves to danger....huck didnt call jim,,just jim,,,it was "n"jim, and was a form of endearment from huck to jim,,because it [n-word] was not at the time meant to disparage, but to identify, and jim knew huck was his friend,,and friends dont call each other terrible names...

the fight to remove, limit, condem the word started after the slaves were freed..and all traces of their past bondage was fiercely resented...they were free, and wanted no leftover slave term applied to them..of course, like always,,the more something is made forbidden, the more the real racists saw that the word was "disparaging" to their former slaves,,the more they used it to intimadate, and harrass...

haters gotta hate...
 
And then there were the Atlanta Crackers, a minor league team in Atlanta, GA which had ties at one time or another with major league teams of the cities of St. Louis, Boston/Milwaukee, Minnesota and Los Angeles.

Atlanta Crackers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Origin of the team's name


According to Tim Darnell, who wrote The Crackers: Early Days of Atlanta Baseball, the origins of the team name is unknown.[5]

Darnell cites several possibilities as to why this name was chosen:

A term that means a poor, white southerner.
Someone who is quick and efficient at a task.
In reference to plowboys who cracked the whip over animals.
A shortened version of "Atlanta Firecrackers", the earlier 1892 minor league team.

However, this list does not represent the most likely origins of the name. The term "cracker" is derived from the Gaelic "craic", meaning entertaining conversation or boasting.[6] It was used in the 18th century to denote Irish and Scottish colonists of the Deep South backcountry. The Earl of Dartmouth had this to say in a 1766 correspondence: "I should explain to your Lordship what is meant by Crackers; a name they have got from being great boasters; they are a lawless set of rascalls on the frontiers of Virginia, Maryland, the Carolinas, and Georgia, who often change their places of abode."[6]

During the period of Reconstruction following the American Civil War, there was also a political party of the same name. Organized in Augusta, Georgia, this party's platform was one of "opposition to Catholics and segregation of blacks." [7]

While now sometimes used as a derogatory term for a white southerner that promotes racism, it is also used as a term of pride by white southerners to indicate one that is descended from those original settlers of the area.[6] It is much more likely that the Atlanta Crackers derived their name from the more positive usage, indicating they were proud to be Georgians.
 
Perhaps Washington should keep the logo and change their name to the Washington Savages. It would be accurate and non-insulting.


Or perhaps they could change their name to the 'Nickel heads" so that way they could at least still keep the logo. lol


Nickel Heads sounds a lot like knuckle heads...which would be a good name, too.

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To the OP...

Imo, if the Indians are offended by it...then it's a slur. This is about protecting the rights of the minority from the abuse and oppression of the majority which is why public voting and polling on protected rights is kind of irrelevant.

A company making profit from racial discrimination is not a protected right.
 
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well yes, all blacks are not black, nor whites white, nor asian yellow...its just what used to be common distictions with no ill-will intended...in fact, back in the time of slavery, common folk, used the "n" word as just the way to distinguish between races...it did not start as the pejoritive it has become,,,look at twains huckelberry finn...young huck joins up with a runaway slave and they become fast friends, willing to put each other out of harms way even if it ment possibly exposing themselves to danger....huck didnt call jim,,just jim,,,it was "n"jim, and was a form of endearment from huck to jim,,because it [n-word] was not at the time meant to disparage, but to identify, and jim knew huck was his friend,,and friends dont call each other terrible names...

the fight to remove, limit, condem the word started after the slaves were freed..and all traces of their past bondage was fiercely resented...they were free, and wanted no leftover slave term applied to them..of course, like always,,the more something is made forbidden, the more the real racists saw that the word was "disparaging" to their former slaves,,the more they used it to intimadate, and harrass...

haters gotta hate...

Anybody else ever wonder why The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer continue to be accepted as a renown works of American literature in our society while the Walt Disney Academy Award winning movie Song of the South has all but been banned from ever being seen again. The movie not nearly as "racist" as those books. TOTAL BULL ****.

Song of the South.net - Dedicated to This Walt Disney Classic

Song of the South.net - The Movie
 
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Anybody else ever wonder why The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and The Adventures of Tom Sawyer continue to be accepted as a renown works of American literature in our society while the Walt Disney Academy Award winning movie Song of the South has all but been banned from ever being seen again. The movie not nearly as "racist" as those books. TOTAL BULL ****.

http://http://www.songofthesouth.net/index.php

The movie is not banned. Disney has just not bothered to release it.

Sorry for stepping on your poutrage.
 
The movie is not banned. Disney has just not bothered to release it.

Sorry for stepping on your poutrage.

You didn't pal. It's been banned for not so obvious reasons BY DISNEY CORP. Not so sorry to step on your smart-ass comment. You don't hold back a sure money maker that long for any other reason.
 
You didn't pal. It's been banned for not so obvious reasons BY DISNEY CORP. Not so sorry to step on your smart-ass comment. You don't hold back a sure money maker that long for any other reason.

I don't think failing to release a movie constitutes having the movie 'banned'.

They're holding back because it's a ****ty thing to release a racist movie, even if they can make money off of knuckle draggers.
 
In case anyone hasn't see this yet, here is the Democrat Majority Leader, Harry Reid, showing off his stupidity. Remember, this guy is a lawyer. Top guy in the Senate, best the Democrats could do. You Democrats must be so proud. The rest of us, quite embarrassed.
(Looks a bit disheveled, like a staffer just wiped the oatmeal from his chin.)
 
I don't think failing to release a movie constitutes having the movie 'banned'.

They're holding back because it's a ****ty thing to release a racist movie, even if they can make money off of knuckle draggers.

Which means at some time in the future...Disney will stop "holding back" and will re-release a racist movie so they can MAKE MONEY off it? Or else, if they do not, then they have banned their own movie. Hate to tell knuckle dragger but you just made the goofiest reply to this issue, in the history of a discussion of race relations.
 
I'm curious what percentage of people think Redskin is a slur separate from whether or not the team's name should be changed.

I think a lot of people are so used to the Redskin name they don't even think of it as a slur because they see it simply as a descriptor of Native Americans or of its heritage and never thought of it as an insult.

No it is not a racial slur. Oklahoma is a Choctaw phrase okla humma meaning red people.Should the people in Oklahoma change their state's name?
 
You realize that the Native Americans didn't pick the name, right?

Apparently number Onegoof thinks the Choctaw nation didn't pick the name...right?

Sorry... they did. Most Indian tribes seem to be proud of their skin color.

Pundant.com: Oklahoma - okla humma was a phrase in the Choctaw language used to describe the Native American race as a whole

excerpt

The name Oklahoma comes from the Choctaw phrase okla homma, literally meaning red people. Choctaw Chief Allen Wright suggested the name in 1866 during treaty negotiations with the federal government regarding the use of Indian Territory, in which he envisioned an all-Indian state controlled by the United States Superintendent of Indian Affairs. Equivalent to the English word Indian, okla humma was a phrase in the Choctaw language used to describe the Native American race as a whole. Oklahoma later became the de-facto name for Oklahoma Territory, and it was officially approved in 1890, two years after the area was opened to white settlers.[5][15][16]
Chief Wright lived near the blogmasters home town of Bromide, Oklahoma

Bromide Oklahoma link

Caucasians are welcome to go home to the Caucus Mountains any time.
 
Oklahoma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Choctaw Chief Allen Wright suggested the name in 1866 during treaty negotiations with the federal government regarding the use of Indian Territory,

Didn't know that. Interesting.


Still not really too relevant though, given that that was 150 years ago and I'm pretty sure we ( or at least some of us...) have a bit more enlightened view of the world these days.
 
Didn't know that. Interesting.


Still not really too relevant though, given that that was 150 years ago and I'm pretty sure we ( or at least some of us...) have a bit more enlightened view of the world these days.

So the state of Oklahoma should change it's name because a bunch handful of butt hurt effeminate men and little girls now consider red man or red skin offensive?
 
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