AliHajiSheik
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I'm unclear what are the characteristics of a Christian nation, so I don't know how to vote.
Really? Brazil has a huge statue of Jesus presiding over its major city. Latin America in general would qualify i think, and missionaries are always trying to turn Africa into Christian dominated territories that, among other things, pass laws to kill homosexuals.
It's impossible to imagine the US - with its founders' wisdom to separate religion from state and the court system as protection - allowing that kind of oppression.
Wow talk about projecting. Your bias is really showing if you think that being a Christian nation is somehow progressive.
and yet you haven't said anything to the user Bod who is doing the exact same thing, and he/she actually does believe his opinon is fact - stated so in two posts.
If over the course of this conversation you've changed from suggesting "There is no legitimate reason to refer to this Nation as Christian" to suggesting (paraphrased) "There is no legitimate reason to refer OBJECTIVELY to this Nation as Christian, becuase nations are subjective" then my apologizes for missing that how that transition of your original premise has occured and I'd agree...
Touche. I did start of with a firm confident statement declaring my stance.
Though I personally stand by my argument, as a result of this thread I also now believe that my stance may be subjective. The criteria of what makes a nation is apparently different for different people.
You.....you're not actually reading my posts right? That's the only thing that could explain your past two non-sensical responses.
I'm not suggesting that somehow a "Christian Nation" equals a "Progressive Nation" or vise versa. I'm suggesting that using the logic one would TRY to use to claim that it's impossible to legitimately make a claim that the USA is a "Christian Nation", it would ALSO be impossible to claim that it's a "Progressive Nation".
An eyewitness report? What, did he resurrect too?
Really? Brazil has a huge statue of Jesus presiding over its major city. Latin America in general would qualify i think, and missionaries are always trying to turn Africa into Christian dominated territories that, among other things, pass laws to kill homosexuals.
Your first post used the words "other nations" so forgive me for replying on that basis.
I don't see the connection between the arguments "Christian nation" and "progressive nation."
But then again, you said that because it's the most prevalent religion and 'culturally ingrained', it's reasonable to call this a Christian nation, then asserted that a theocracy would be irrelevant in defining this a Christian nation.
You can use the term nation to define any government regulated land of a group of people. How you define that nation is more than just Majority wins. Israel has an official religion. It enforces laws and a culture that is centered around that. That's the distinction.
Religion in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
I disagree, and it isn't a fact. If the nation is the people than this can't be a Christian nation not all the people are Christian. All you can say is that it is a majority Christian nation.
I'm in the "no" camp.
There is no question that Christianity is an important part of US history. But since we cannot have an official state religion, it's not a "Christian nation," in the same way that Islam is the official religion of Saudi Arabia.
Yeah it doesn't.Not according to you guys. A majority does not represent the whole.
That may be true. But when a country has a majority that is also compounded by a government that makes that majorities beliefs law - and thus the standards of those beliefs are enforced across the country then yes the government has effectively defined that nation by enforcing those beliefs and regulating the culture by virtue of those beliefs. America only has a majority of christains, but our goverment has moved away from enforcing christain beliefs or enforcing christian standards in our culture. As a result our culture has moved away from christain teachings.A government, just like me, can't just arbitrarily define the whole of the people living in its territory as one thing when there are distinct differences in that group.
Too bad I never said I wanted it both ways.Sorry... can't have it both ways.
The term "Nation" has a definition and only intellectual cowards would try to twist it like you are. :lol:
No it doesn't, where did you come up with that method to define it?That is what I have said... but one step further. That the majority represents more of what the nation represents than some minorities thereby, for definition purposes and general knowledge, defines the USA as a Christian Nation.
Yes, you've described your self perfectly.
No it doesn't, where did you come up with that method to define it?
I'm sorry... but the "No I'm not... you are" grade school come back? That about sums this debate up.
The fact that you continously hide behind your Ad hominems sums you up beautifully. You started the grade yard taunting - strangely enough your taunts are more applicable to yourself than they are to me. Perhaps it's a subconcious thing.
... this debate is getting tiresome to be honest.
:lol: Keep trying 'cause your smack sucks.
Wow that was clever. lol.
I don't bother being clever with those that show a near zero ability at understanding smack...
to bad you didn't "smack" anybody. Your rebuttal was as lame as your arguments you have been using in this debate - Tired, paper thin, and, well, stupid.