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Who is the Party of freedom?

Who is the party of Freedom?

  • Democrats

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • Republicans

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • The Free Bacon Party

    Votes: 12 30.0%
  • Rutabaga

    Votes: 15 37.5%

  • Total voters
    40

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After the warning, I couldn't reply in thread. But I did think the topic deserved it's own:




In an allegedly free country the democrats are the alleged party of freedom - give me one reason why?

Of course the only people I've heard say that are hardcore Dems. Just like hard core Repubs will say the Republicans are (cue Nick denying that he's a Republican even though he never says anything but their party line).

Who is it, then?
 
Looking at the options of the poll, I was left with no choice but to vote for the Bacon Party. That tells you something about the establishment parties.
 
Perhaps it would have been Republicans in the past, but now I would say it is Libertarians.
 
Looking at the options of the poll, I was left with no choice but to vote for the Bacon Party. That tells you something about the establishment parties.

I kind of thought the "Rent's Too Damn High Party" should have taken off, but it seems to have just fizzed out. :lol:
 
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After the warning, I couldn't reply in thread. But I did think the topic deserved it's own:






Of course the only people I've heard say that are hardcore Dems. Just like hard core Repubs will say the Republicans are (cue Nick denying that he's a Republican even though he never says anything but their party line).

Who is it, then?

The Republocrats do not stand for freedom. The closest party we have that supports freedom and liberty is the Libertarian Party.
 
Neither.

Right now the Libertarian Party but without doubt they'd turn into some cheap power-grabbing facsimile of themselves if they ever got real political power just as the Democrats and Republicans have.
 
There is no party of freedom. Each party has specific people whose freedom it is trying to enhance at the expense of others. Despite the above libertarian circle-jerk, that party's policies enhance one's freedom in direct proportion to one's economic power. It only creates freedom for the rich. Of the existing parties (there isn't really an American socialist party), Democrats are probably the ones whose platforms would enhance freedom for the greatest number of people, and most of the freedoms they aim to take away are freedoms people shouldn't really want in the first place, like the freedom to pay women less money than men, or the freedom to discriminate against someone in the workplace because they're gay, or the freedom to impose one's religious views on the healthcare system.

One freedom that the major parties and the supposedly superior libertarians can agree on, though, is the freedom to buy the allegiances of political candidates for their own economic gain.
 
Well that leaves out the Libertarian movement, and the right and left wing. Buddists make the cut though.

What? Are you unaware of the violence in Bhutan, Thailand, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Japan and Tibet initiated by Buddhists in recent years? I can't stand this infatuation some Westerners seem to have with Buddhism as if it is an eternal non-violent religion.
 
Democrats or Libertarians... toss up really between those two.

I see freedom as personal freedom, but using the word freedom in the context of the OP allows for a lot of interpretation.
 
libertarian party
 
a party who believes in no force or coercion on other people.

So an anarchist party??? Never gonna happen because people are hard-wired to want a society where they feel safe. No force/coercion means that if the guy next to you on the bus decides that he doesn't like the color of your tie, he gets to kill you without any repercussions. It means that if your next-door neighbor takes a liking to your 8 year old son, he can simply grab him and do whatever he wants to him and if you can't stop him, there's nothing you can do about it. Is that the kind of society you want to live in???
 
There is no party of freedom. Each party has specific people whose freedom it is trying to enhance at the expense of others. Despite the above libertarian circle-jerk, that party's policies enhance one's freedom in direct proportion to one's economic power. It only creates freedom for the rich. Of the existing parties (there isn't really an American socialist party), Democrats are probably the ones whose platforms would enhance freedom for the greatest number of people, and most of the freedoms they aim to take away are freedoms people shouldn't really want in the first place, like the freedom to pay women less money than men, or the freedom to discriminate against someone in the workplace because they're gay, or the freedom to impose one's religious views on the healthcare system.

One freedom that the major parties and the supposedly superior libertarians can agree on, though, is the freedom to buy the allegiances of political candidates for their own economic gain.

#1. Sounds to me like you think libertarians= republicans. Totally not the case Libertarians believe in minimal government intervention and more freedoms for all people, you seem to equate freedom with an "economic safety net" and the inability to fail socially (Hence why you are a socialist I suppose).

#2. Democrats want to quell free speech, your right to bear arms, they want to quell state's rights, they want everyone to be beholden to the almighty fed.
 
we have a one party system the repukelicrats. there is no difference the one party system is feverishly working right now to restrict even more of our rights as we speak.
 
So an anarchist party??? Never gonna happen because people are hard-wired to want a society where they feel safe. No force/coercion means that if the guy next to you on the bus decides that he doesn't like the color of your tie, he gets to kill you without any repercussions. It means that if your next-door neighbor takes a liking to your 8 year old son, he can simply grab him and do whatever he wants to him and if you can't stop him, there's nothing you can do about it. Is that the kind of society you want to live in???

its clear you have no idea what a libertarian is.

libertarians for the most part are minarchist .........limited government, not.... no government.

no force/ coercion means government cannot force you to do things just because they want to.

force can be used on you if you violate rights of others, or endanger the public health and safety.

please read up, and understand what a libertarian is.
 
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#1. Sounds to me like you think libertarians= republicans. Totally not the case Libertarians believe in minimal government intervention and more freedoms for all people, you seem to equate freedom with an "economic safety net" and the inability to fail socially (Hence why you are a socialist I suppose).

#2. Democrats want to quell free speech, your right to bear arms, they want to quell state's rights, they want everyone to be beholden to the almighty fed.

Anyone who says Democrat or Republican is just laughable. Those are corporate parties pandering to the same status quo of increased government and wealth disparity.
 
its clear you have no idea what a libertarian is.

libertarians for the most part are minarchist .........limited government, not.... no government.

no force/ coercion means government cannot force you to do things just because they want to.

force can be used on you if you violate rights of others, or endanger the public heath and safety.

please read up, and understand what a libertarian is.

I'm well aware of what Libertarian is, what you posted was an anarchist approach.

a party who believes in no force or coercion on other people.

Nothing you said qualified your statement at any level. If you can't make yourself clear, don't complain about other people misunderstanding you...
 
I'm well aware of what Libertarian is, what you posted was an anarchist approach.



Nothing you said qualified your statement at any level. If you can't make yourself clear, don't complain about other people misunderstanding you...

anarchist...... wants no government.

your denial, is sad.:(

anyone who claims to know about libertarianism, knows they are for individual rights, first and foremost.
 
anarchist...... wants no government.

your denial, is sad.:(

a party who believes in no force or coercion on other people.

Your comment, not mine...

I'm not denying anything, just pointing out that my response to your post was accurate - as your post was written. For the record, I agree that our gov't has far too much power and it needs to be drastically reined-in.

A word of advice for situations like these - Step up and take responsibility for what you said. If it wasn't what you intended to say, then just come out and say that. We all make mistakes at times, but it's the mature people who take responsibility for their mistakes. So you posted something that made it sound like you're an anarchist. Clarify your comment, admit that it wasn't well worded and move on.
 
Your comment, not mine...

I'm not denying anything, just pointing out that my response to your post was accurate - as your post was written. For the record, I agree that our gov't has far too much power and it needs to be drastically reined-in.

A word of advice for situations like these - Step up and take responsibility for what you said. If it wasn't what you intended to say, then just come out and say that. We all make mistakes at times, but it's the mature people who take responsibility for their mistakes. So you posted something that made it sound like you're an anarchist. Clarify your comment, admit that it wasn't well worded and move on.

I made 2 statements

number 2 equated libertarianism with number 1.

so you must have missed that.
 
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