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Open carry question [W:46]

Is it justifiable?

  • yes

    Votes: 10 30.3%
  • no

    Votes: 23 69.7%

  • Total voters
    33
It depends. If you have a notice on the front door of your business that firearms are not allowed and someone chooses to ignore it, then I think its reasonable at that point for the business owner to feel their life is threatened.

nope, it's not reasonable....ignoring a sign does not equate to threatening your life or limb.

you seem to be trying real hard to concoct a rationale for shooting people who are not a imminent threat to you....do you own guns?
 
It doesn't matter how abnormal you find people harmlessly exercising their rights is.

God forbid anyone exercise common decency and good sense. Sure its our constitutional right to own firearms. I own guns, you may, lots of people do, but I don't walk into a bar, convenience store, or restaurant openly carrying a gun. I doubt even 1% of Americans would do such a thing and someone that walks into the local convenience store carrying a gun out in front of God and everybody is going to alarm people, because frankly a normal, well adjusted, sane individual would probably not do such a thing.

Similarly, I have freedom of expression. Just like you do, and everyone else on here does if they reside on American soil. However, just because I have constitutionally protected freedom of expression, I do not choose to exercise that by going into churches and elementary schools and yelling obscenities even though doing so would not be physically harming anyone.
 
nope, it's not reasonable....ignoring a sign does not equate to threatening your life or limb.

you seem to be trying real hard to concoct a rationale for shooting people who are not a imminent threat to you....do you own guns?

Yes, but like the vast, vast, vast majority of gun owners, I do not walk into businesses carrying a gun for everyone to see. Similarly, I don't walk into churches and yell obscenities even though I enjoy freedom of expression.
 
It doesn't matter how abnormal you find people harmlessly exercising their rights is.
People have a "right" to carry a double bladed woodsman ax ...
If anyone walks into a convenience store carrying one while I am in there...The cops will be on their way.
Same with any assault weapon . That is weird anti-social, dangerous and threatening behavior and must be dealt with by the authorities or answered with defensive action.
No apologies to anyone's rights.
If the store owner blew them away, and Iwere on the jury at his trial, I would vote to acquit on the grounds of self defense.
 
I know alot. You make more money in those areas even though its more dangerous

with an average net profit ( average is 89k in profit) of less than 2% of gross revenues ( which average about 580k a year)... screw that... that not nearly enough money to put up with even one headache... let alone an inner city headache.

lots of people make alot money off convenience stores.... the owner is not one of those people( nor are the employees)
 
God forbid anyone exercise common decency and good sense. Sure its our constitutional right to own firearms. I own guns, you may, lots of people do, but I don't walk into a bar, convenience store, or restaurant openly carrying a gun. I doubt even 1% of Americans would do such a thing and someone that walks into the local convenience store carrying a gun out in front of God and everybody is going to alarm people, because frankly a normal, well adjusted, sane individual would probably not do such a thing.

Similarly, I have freedom of expression. Just like you do, and everyone else on here does if they reside on American soil. However, just because I have constitutionally protected freedom of expression, I do not choose to exercise that by going into churches and elementary schools and yelling obscenities even though doing so would not be physically harming anyone.

You do realize I consider Open Carry idiotic right?

People have a "right" to carry a double bladed woodsman ax ...
If anyone walks into a convenience store carrying one while I am in there...The cops will be on their way.
Same with any assault weapon . That is weird anti-social, dangerous and threatening behavior and must be dealt with by the authorities or answered with defensive action.
No apologies to anyone's rights.
If the store owner blew them away I would vote to acquit on the grounds of self defense.

As moronic as open carry is, just how is it threatening? Do you realize that you're in favor of MURDER of people harmlessly slinging a rifle over their shoulder?
 
This discussion is flat out crazy. Seriously.. It seems some people think you are not truly free unless you walk into the local Kwik-E-Mart with a gun draped over your shoulder and scare the living sh** out of Apu behind the counter.
 
People have a "right" to carry a double bladed woodsman ax ...
If anyone walks into a convenience store carrying one while I am in there...The cops will be on their way.
Same with any assault weapon . That is weird anti-social, dangerous and threatening behavior and must be dealt with by the authorities or answered with defensive action.
No apologies to anyone's rights.
If the store owner blew them away I would vote to acquit on the grounds of self defense.

it's not everyday you see someone support murder...
 
People have a "right" to carry a double bladed woodsman ax ...
If anyone walks into a convenience store carrying one while I am in there...The cops will be on their way.
Same with any assault weapon . That is weird anti-social, dangerous and threatening behavior and must be dealt with by the authorities or answered with defensive action.
No apologies to anyone's rights.
If the store owner blew them away I would vote to acquit on the grounds of self defense.

what's an assault weapon? and do you understand what the term "assault" means when the military applied it to certain select fire carbines 70 years ago?
 
You do realize I consider Open Carry idiotic right?



As moronic as open carry is, just how is it threatening?

open carry is best exercised where it is expected

an IPSC match

Camp Perry

the Grand American

a gun show
 
You do realize I consider Open Carry idiotic right?



As moronic as open carry is, just how is it threatening? Do you realize that you're in favor of MURDER of people harmlessly slinging a rifle over their shoulder?
Brandishing any deadly weapon is threatening.
 
This discussion is flat out crazy. Seriously.. It seems some people think you are not truly free unless you walk into the local Kwik-E-Mart with a gun draped over your shoulder and scare the living sh** out of Apu behind the counter.

why would anyone be scared of a rifle draped over a shoulder?


this is the puzzling part.... some folks see a firearm and automatically **** their pants... regardless of the actions or behavior of the carryer.
of course, they see cops and rent a cops every day carrying, and they're perfectly fine with it.

i'm not sure why liberals/progressives feel society is so very untrustworthy... it's weird.
 
Brandishing any deadly weapon is threatening.

A holstered or shoulder slung weapon is not Brandishing, I suggest you read up on the law. Not pointing a weapon nor holding a weapon "in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured" is NOT brandishing.
 
Brandishing any deadly weapon is threatening.

that's not correct without additional information. btw what is an assault weapon?
 
Brandishing any deadly weapon is threatening.


bran·dish
[bran-dish] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to shake or wave, as a weapon; flourish: Brandishing his sword, he rode into battle.
noun
2.
a flourish or waving, as of a weapon.

yes i would think that is.........however shouldering a weapon is not
 
what's an assault weapon? and do you understand what the term "assault" means when the military applied it to certain select fire carbines 70 years ago?

assault rifle noun
: a gun that can shoot many bullets quickly and that is designed for use by the military
Full Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE

: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use
Feigning obtuseness does nothing whatsoever for your argument.
 
Yes, but like the vast, vast, vast majority of gun owners, I do not walk into businesses carrying a gun for everyone to see. Similarly, I don't walk into churches and yell obscenities even though I enjoy freedom of expression.

those aren't similar expressions, sorry.

I don't open carry either... i have, but it kinda defeats my purposes for carrying.
I don't mind that others do, though.... them exercising their rights has no bearing on me.

i don't even mind cops open carrying... or even rent a cops...
 
assault rifle noun
: a gun that can shoot many bullets quickly and that is designed for use by the military
Full Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE

: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

:lamo
 
why would anyone be scared of a rifle draped over a shoulder?

It's the context. Deer camp or a gun show I expect it. There are a lot of places I expect it. However, if you are behind the counter at an inner city convenience store, you don't expect a legitimate customer to walk in with a rife draped over their shoulder and you might just shoot first and ask questions later.
 
bran·dish
[bran-dish] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to shake or wave, as a weapon; flourish: Brandishing his sword, he rode into battle.
noun
2.
a flourish or waving, as of a weapon.

yes i would think that is.........however shouldering a weapon is not


you can lead a horse to water... but some horses will call it mayonnaise and refuse to drink.
 
assault rifle noun
: a gun that can shoot many bullets quickly and that is designed for use by the military
Full Definition of ASSAULT RIFLE

: any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles with large capacity magazines designed for military use

there is a huge difference from the military term ASSAULT RIFLE and the bogus nonsensical term assault weapon. You cannot use a semi auto weapon to properly conduct a military assault on a fixed position of the enemy

you see the term assault weapon was a weapon that could be fired individually at semi automatic to inflict casualties or used on full auto by a mass of infantry to "assault a position" by using said automatic fire to suppress movement or return fire by the enemy while artillery or sappers using satchel charges or flamethrowers or grenades destroy the position

that is why its idiotic to call non military non-select fire weapons "assault weapons" because they are lacking the essential feature of a weapon useful for "assault'

anti gun jerks figured the average sheeple wouldn't understand the military term "assault" but transpose CRIMINAL assault to those firearms and be more willing to support bans on them
 
assault rifles, are designed to spray lead...not shoot one per pull of the trigger.

the FAL, is the only assault rifle, which i know of which does have a full auto capacity, but is useless to use and must be semi-auto fired.
 
It's the context. Deer camp or a gun show I expect it. There are a lot of places I expect it. However, if you are behind the counter at an inner city convenience store, you don't expect a legitimate customer to walk in with a rife draped over their shoulder and you might just shoot first and ask questions later.

stop making excuses for Murder... it ain't cool.
 
bran·dish
[bran-dish] Show IPA
verb (used with object)
1.
to shake or wave, as a weapon; flourish: Brandishing his sword, he rode into battle.
noun
2.
a flourish or waving, as of a weapon.

yes i would think that is.........however shouldering a weapon is not
Shouldering a rifle is brandishing in the context of normal social behavior.
 
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