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Open carry question [W:46]

Is it justifiable?

  • yes

    Votes: 10 30.3%

  • no

    Votes: 23 69.7%
  • Total voters
    33
99percenter said:
If a dude walks into a store with an assault rifle with no intention to commit a crime and the store owner shoots him is that justifiable homicide?
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No.

Any other questions?
 
NIMBY said:
Imagine any old common person open-carrying a rifle on the day of 4 dead in O--hi--o during the 1960's.
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no need to imagine.. i can just ..recall.

when we were kids in the late 50's and 60's, we had to carry our rifles out to the desert to shoot... hell, we even stopped for drinks and treats along the way.
it was no big deal.
 
99percenter said:
How is the store owner supposed to know?
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Did he point the bad ass scary looking black rifle at the store owner and say, " give me all your tootsie pops mother ****er."
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063417952 said:
Did he point the bad ass scary looking black rifle at the store owner and say, " give me all your tootsie pops mother ****er."
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coiuld he have ?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Let's flip the situation around and say that you are the one expecting, for good reason, to be attacked but you lack a CHL or CCW permit, and thus cannot legally carry a concealed handgun (or even an unconcealed handgun in Texas) - are you then willing to risk walking about unarmed?

I agree that, without reason, one is unlikely to walk about carrying an assault rifle, or any firearm, in the course of normal affairs but you do acknowledge that some may possess a valid reason to expect an (armed?) attack - should they not be permitted to be ready to respond to that situation?
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If I expect to be murdered soon, there's no way in hell I'm going out in public unarmed. If I could prove that my life was in danger, I would most likely put myself into police custody, assuming staying home and fortifying my position as best I could isn't an option. And last time I checked, I wasn't arguing against this law - just voicing concern over whether or not one should just walk around with an assault rifle for no reason.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063417952 said:
Did he point the bad ass scary looking black rifle at the store owner and say, " give me all your tootsie pops mother ****er."
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By that time its too late.
 
I haven't read the entire thread, but I don't have to in order to give my answer: No, it's not justifiable; it's murder.

That is presuming that the weapon is either shouldered (if a long gun) or holstered (if a hand gun). Now if someone comes in holding a handgun, or holding a rifle at the ready, then they are putting forth a threatening demeanor, and if the establishment's owner then draws a weapon, demands the customer put the weapon away and he doesn't, then that very well could be seen as a case of self-defense.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063417952 said:
Did he point the bad ass scary looking black rifle at the store owner and say, " give me all your tootsie pops mother ****er."
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and a pack of skittles too?
 
Thrilla said:
part of the reason i carry concealed is so that i have an edge... open carry make you identifiable and kind of a "target"....carrying a rifle strapped across your back is silly for a number of reason

I don't worry about liberal store owners... they aren't armed and they are no threat to me.
their lil " no guns allowed" signs are cute though...I carry my firearms right by them without anyone being the wiser.
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i know, i know. Just saw a chance to take a stab at several thousand forum trolls with a single sentence. That's all I meant by that liberals comment.
 
DiAnna said:
I haven't read the entire thread, but I don't have to in order to give my answer: No, it's not justifiable; it's murder.

That is presuming that the weapon is either shouldered (if a long gun) or holstered (if a hand gun). Now if someone comes in holding a handgun, or holding a rifle at the ready, then they are putting forth a threatening demeanor, and if the establishment's owner then draws a weapon, demands the customer put the weapon away and he doesn't, then that very well could be seen as a case of self-defense.
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exactly.


I think the OP wants you to say it's ok to shoot the guy though.... he isn't getting much validation so far, but that's what he wants.
 
Jesse Booth said:
If I expect to be murdered soon, there's no way in hell I'm going out in public unarmed. If I could prove that my life was in danger, I would most likely put myself into police custody, assuming staying home and fortifying my position as best I could isn't an option. And last time I checked, I wasn't arguing against this law - just voicing concern over whether or not one should just walk around with an assault rifle for no reason.
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So we no longer want these weapons for home defense, a "not-so-bad" excuse.
And we no longer want these assault weapons to go to the gun range--also "not-so-bad" as society moves further to the wrong wing.
Yes now we need to walk around with assault weapons because we're scared--or is it something else ??
 
How long does it take for you to go from concealed-carry to gun in hand if you wanted to carry into the store?
TurtleDude said:
and a pack of skittles too?
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How long does it take you to go from a shouldered rifle to one you are ready to shoot--case close eh TD ?
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063417975 said:
Pretty lame response...

The question is did he. If not, go pound salt.
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we won't know until he does--
and all that without your two insults .
 
NIMBY said:
So we no longer want these weapons for home defense, a "not-so-bad" excuse.
And we no longer want these assault weapons to go to the gun range--also "not-so-bad" as society moves further to the wrong wing.
Yes now we need to walk around with assault weapons because we're scared--or is it something else ??
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right now, it's just about pissing off anti-gunners and their constant attacks on our rights....it's a political statement being made.... I highly doubt we'll be seeing people start to carry rifles on their backs as the "norm".
 
NIMBY said:
How long does it take for you to go from concealed-carry to gun in hand if you wanted to carry into the store?

How long does it take you to go from a shouldered rifle to one you are ready to shoot--case close eh TD ?
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less than a second either way.
 
NIMBY said:
How long does it take for you to go from concealed-carry to gun in hand if you wanted to carry into the store?

How long does it take you to go from a shouldered rifle to one you are ready to shoot--case close eh TD ?
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a second or two, in each case.
 
Thrilla said:
right now, it's just about pissing off anti-gunners and their constant attacks on our rights....
it's a political statement being made.... I highly doubt we'll be seeing people start to carry rifles on their backs as the "norm".
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At least you're honest enough to admit it.
But I disagree with your last statement.
I do believe it will be the norm, maybe even at election time .
 
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