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Open carry question [W:46]

Is it justifiable?

  • yes

    Votes: 10 30.3%

  • no

    Votes: 23 69.7%
  • Total voters
    33
NIMBY said:
Don't even think about trying to turn one of yours into me being a threat.
You have no right to change the word rifle to gun--very poor attempt to minimize.
You have no right to say I have no right.

As soon as one of you open-carry rifle-toters walks in a store,
watch the customers flee, while the store-owner must now go for his gun just in case.
Another extreme gift from those bastardizing the 2A .
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Sure I do - see the 1st amendment.

BTW, why does the store owner get to have a gun (not a rifle?), but not anyone else in your fantasy world?
 
NIMBY said:
Don't even think about trying to turn one of yours into me being a threat.
You have no right to change the word rifle to gun--very poor attempt to minimize.
You have no right to say I have no right.
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the word is firearm.... a rifle is a firearm, no matter how much you protest that fact.

you are a threat to my rights... you are not a threat to my person, though.

I have every right to say what I want about my rights..... in fact, such speech is afforded the strongest protection, as it it political speech.



As soon as one of you open-carry rifle-toters walks in a store, watch the customers flee, while the store-owner must now go for his gun just in case.
Another extreme gift from those bastardizing the 2A .
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you do understand that it's really only very recently that open carry has been illegal ( in some states) right?... it was extremely common for most of our history as a county ( and before)..... so in very real terms, it's not me who is bastardizing the 2a... that would be your side.

but yes, some people will freak out over open carrying a rifle or any firearm... if the folks whom are carrying are doing so legally and correctly and are not behaving in a threatening manner, the folks who flee are being irrational.... they should be vigilant, not panic stricken
of course, that's too much to ask for .. emotions are much stronger than intellects in many people... rationally is not something you can expect from
everyone.

personally, I don't open carry a rifle... there's no reason for me too... it's impractical.
I always, however, carry concealed handguns
 
99percenter said:
Nope bad analogy. See a car is for driving and a gun is for shooting. Big difference.
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you specifically stated that the person carrying the gun does not intend to commit a crime.

the gun in your scenario is of no more concern than a car in the parking lot.


maybe you should have been more specific when you set up this exercise?
 
Thrilla said:
you specifically stated that the person carrying the gun does not intend to commit a crime.

the gun in your scenario is of no more concern than a car in the parking lot.


maybe you should have been more specific when you set up this exercise?
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If i am a store owner a person walks in with a gun, my first instinct is that i am getting robbed.
 
NIMBY said:
just responding to each of your posts to me--
telling me I'm talking out my ass when I object to your open-carry rifle-toter disturbing the peace--
and infringing on the rights of others to not worry about rifle-toter shooting him in the back when he's stocking shelves--

the record in this thread is clear--
10 minutes is clearly enough time to pay attention -
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you do NOT have a right not to worry about a rifle-toter.... sorry man... this is what i'm talking about when i say "anal yammerings"... you're just making **** up as you go at this point.


we get it, you don't like people carrying guns... but that doesn't excuse your extraordinarily poor arguments.
 
99percenter said:
There is a reason. The store owner is protecting his life and property. I thought conservatives were for that.
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protecting his property form what?..... you said the person does not intend to commit a crime.

where you lying then, or are you lying now?
 
99percenter said:
If i am a store owner a person walks in with a gun, my first instinct is that i am getting robbed.
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if you just start shooting the guy, you'll go to prison for murder....don't drop the soap, fish.

if you use your instinct to be more vigilant and react to the scenario properly and legally, nobody will have a problem with that.
 
Thrilla said:
protecting his property form what?..... you said the person does not intend to commit a crime.

where you lying then, or are you lying now?
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Are you seriously that dense? The store owner doesn't know. All he knows is that the guy has a gun.
 
I hate to say it, but the liberals are actually right for once. If you decide to walk around in public with an assault rifle, as far as I am concerned, you have accepted the risk that someone will see you walking towards them, assume the worst, and pull a gun on you. There's a point where your responsibility to act like a decent person to everyone else and your right to carry firearms openly collides, and that place is called out in public. Seriously. I am behind AR-15s for home defense, but there's just no intelligent reason why you should carry one around in the streets. You never know when you might run into someone who is expecting to get attacked. Say, someone in a gang, or someone in the Witness Protection Program.

I don't oppose the law; I'm just saying, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
 
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I should have been more clear. The store owner is not a fortune teller and has no idea the guy just came in to buy some cigarettes.
 
99percenter said:
If a dude walks into a store with an assault rifle with no intention to commit a crime and the store owner shoots him is that justifiable homicide?
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A thought.. question..

A fully automatic rifle ? "assault" rifle ? specifically? Can you describe said specific weapon visualized ?

Kinda' tired of loose and sloppy terminology.... All tissue is not Kleenex; all rifles are not "assault" weapons.

Say what you mean .. mean what you say.

Thom Paine
 
99percenter said:
I should have been more clear. The store owner is not a fortune teller and has no idea the guy just came in to buy some cigarettes.
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in some liberal cities isn't buying smokes a good enough reason to "smoke" the guy?:mrgreen:
 
99percenter said:
Are you seriously that dense? The store owner doesn't know. All he knows is that the guy has a gun.
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i'm not the one that created the scenario, you did..... you specifically stated the person carrying the gun does not intent to commit a crime.
we know his intentions, you made sure of that ... you're the one who told us.

" guy has a gun" is not a valid reason for shooting him.... read Goshins posts, he does a fine job of explaining it .
 
Jesse Booth said:
I hate to say it, but the liberals are actually right for once. If you decide to walk around in public with an assault rifle, as far as I am concerned, you have accepted the risk that someone will see you walking towards them, assume the worst, and pull a gun on you. There's a point where your responsibility to act like a decent person to everyone else and your right to carry firearms openly collides, and that place is called out in public. Seriously. I am behind AR-15s for home defense, but there's just no intelligent reason why you should carry one around in the streets. You never know when you might run into someone who is expecting to get attacked. Say, someone in a gang, or someone in the Witness Protection Program.

I don't oppose the law; I'm just saying, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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if the person carrying is behaving in a threatening manner, i would expect someone to answer that force with in-kind force.

if that person is carrying correctly and legally and is not posing a threat, the mere act of pulling a gun on him is a crime in itself.



the open carry stunts you are seeing in the news are just that.. stunts... political stunts.... it's not only a legal way to exercise their rights, but it's a highly protected form of speech ( political speech)
you'll notice that every person in these stunts is carrying legally, correctly, and safely..... while you might not like it , that's pretty much the way society expects everyone to act... legally, correctly, and safely.

while i wouldn't do it, I have no problem with other people pulling these political stunts... they have that right.
 
Thrilla said:
i'm not the one that created the scenario, you did..... you specifically stated the person carrying the gun does not intent to commit a crime.
we know his intentions, you made sure of that ... you're the one who told us.

" guy has a gun" is not a valid reason for shooting him.... read Goshins posts, he does a fine job of explaining it .
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Dramatic irony is a literary term for when the audience knows something that one or more characters don't know. He's not vague, he's a playwright!!!
 
Thrilla said:
if the person carrying is behaving in a threatening manner, i would expect someone to answer that force with in-kind force.

if that person is carrying correctly and legally and is not posing a threat, the mere act of pulling a gun on him is a crime in itself.



the open carry stunts you are seeing in the news are just that.. stunts... political stunts.... it's not only a legal way to exercise their rights, but it's a highly protected form of speech ( political speech)
you'll notice that every person in these stunts is carrying legally, correctly, and safely..... while you might not like it , that's pretty much the way society expects everyone to act... legally, correctly, and safely.

while i wouldn't do it, I have no problem with other people pulling these political stunts... they have that right.
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I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that it's a terrible idea, and it's an even worse idea to trust that your fellow man will always decide to wait and see when something alarming happens, and to logically work something out in their mind. I mean, for all you know, you might walk into a store owned by one of the liberals on this forum! Do you honestly expect both of you to walk out of that scenario alive? You've seen how much reason they use in their posts; there wouldn't even be a shadow of that in this situation.
 
Thrilla said:
if the person carrying is behaving in a threatening manner, i would expect someone to answer that force with in-kind force.

if that person is carrying correctly and legally and is not posing a threat, the mere act of pulling a gun on him is a crime in itself.



the open carry stunts you are seeing in the news are just that.. stunts... political stunts.... it's not only a legal way to exercise their rights, but it's a highly protected form of speech ( political speech)
you'll notice that every person in these stunts is carrying legally, correctly, and safely..... while you might not like it , that's pretty much the way society expects everyone to act... legally, correctly, and safely.

while i wouldn't do it, I have no problem with other people pulling these political stunts... they have that right.
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Now a days when you see a person with an assault rifle, you assume the worst.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I hate to say it, but the liberals are actually right for once. If you decide to walk around in public with an assault rifle, as far as I am concerned, you have accepted the risk that someone will see you walking towards them, assume the worst, and pull a gun on you. There's a point where your responsibility to act like a decent person to everyone else and your right to carry firearms openly collides, and that place is called out in public. Seriously. I am behind AR-15s for home defense, but there's just no intelligent reason why you should carry one around in the streets. You never know when you might run into someone who is expecting to get attacked. Say, someone in a gang, or someone in the Witness Protection Program.

I don't oppose the law; I'm just saying, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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Let's flip the situation around and say that you are the one expecting, for good reason, to be attacked but you lack a CHL or CCW permit, and thus cannot legally carry a concealed handgun (or even an unconcealed handgun in Texas) - are you then willing to risk walking about unarmed?

I agree that, without reason, one is unlikely to walk about carrying an assault rifle, or any firearm, in the course of normal affairs but you do acknowledge that some may possess a valid reason to expect an (armed?) attack - should they not be permitted to be ready to respond to that situation?
 
Jesse Booth said:
I'm not denying that. I'm just saying that it's a terrible idea, and it's an even worse idea to trust that your fellow man will always decide to wait and see when something alarming happens, and to logically work something out in their mind. I mean, for all you know, you might walk into a store owned by one of the liberals on this forum! Do you honestly expect both of you to walk out of that scenario alive? You've seen how much reason they use in their posts; there wouldn't even be a shadow of that in this situation.
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part of the reason i carry concealed is so that i have an edge... open carry make you identifiable and kind of a "target"....carrying a rifle strapped across your back is silly for a number of reason

I don't worry about liberal store owners... they aren't armed and they are no threat to me.
their lil " no guns allowed" signs are cute though...I carry my firearms right by them without anyone being the wiser.
 
99percenter said:
Now a days when you see a person with an assault rifle, you assume the worst.
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Imagine any old common person open-carrying a rifle on the day of 4 dead in O--hi--o during the 1960's.
 
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