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Open carry question [W:46]

Is it justifiable?

  • yes

    Votes: 10 30.3%

  • no

    Votes: 23 69.7%
  • Total voters
    33
99percenter said:
If a dude walks into a store with an assault rifle with no intention to commit a crime and the store owner shoots him is that justifiable homicide?
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They could ask you leave, if the rifle carrier then did not.... could get legally messy. But to shoot someone in your example is just a straw man. Walking into a store is not going to meet the criteria of "fearing for ones life" that castle doctrine, SYG or whatever requires.

However that is not the same as open carry, which can be justifiable. I however choose not too, but if it is legal then individuals can chose.
 
ecofarm said:
If I'm in a parking lot and someone is driving a car there, can I shoot in self defense? After all, they might try to run me over.
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Never bring a car or a knife to a gunfight.
 
Buck Ewer said:
You wouldn't consider Sqweeky Frome's actions to be "pro-gun?
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no more than the guy who drove a pick up truck into a school bus full of school kids in Carrollton Kentucky in the late 80s to be "pro" alcohol" or pro "transportation. Mentally deficient gun haters claim that we needed more laws to prevent her actions-ignoring the fact that the single most serious crime you can commit in the USA is assassination of the president. If the consequences of even trying to assassinate President Ford did not deter her, other laws certainly were not going to prevent her from getting a firearm

that is why gun control advocates are pretty much seen as jokes by me and many others who understand criminal law

gun control advocates (at least those who claim they are trying to prevent crime [LOL]) pretend that

1) those who are not deterred by the threat of 20-to life-for committing bank robbery, armed robbery, murder or rape will be deterred by the punishment imposed by laws that ban firearms or restrict their access to firearms

2) people who can legally own guns-ie people who have never been convicted of misusing firearms somehow need to have more restrictions placed upon them so they won't do what they have never done

after you examine that it is pretty obvious that almost all gun control advocates are either ignorant/stupid if they really believe their solutions will impede crime or worse, they are liars as to their motivations and really are trying to harass lawful gun owners for reasons that have NOTHING to do with public safety
 
AJiveMan said:
Never bring a car or a knife to a gunfight.
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He revved his engine, envy overtook me, I got the jump on him. I stood my ground.


ps. I very much support 'stand your ground' law, but not the idiots that misinterpret it or their warped version of it.
 
Buck Ewer said:
Excellent example...So put your friggin' rifle in a case when you sling it across your back... then maybe I will not consider it "brandishing".
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Unless I had hands coming out of my deltoids, how would I brandish (i.e., hold in a threatening manner) a weapon if it were slung across my back?
 
ecofarm said:
He revved his engine, envy overtook me, I got the jump on him. I stood my ground.


ps. I very much support 'stand your ground' law, but not the idiots that misinterpret it or their warped version of it.
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ah, tough guy huh? :lol:
 
99percenter said:
If a dude walks into a store with an assault rifle with no intention to commit a crime and the store owner shoots him is that justifiable homicide?
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Assuming the “dude” is carrying the rifle in a safe, non-threatening manner, and giving no evidence of any belligerent intent, no it would not be justifiable. It would be murder, plain and simple. (Or attempted murder, if the “dude” survives.)

How is your question so one-sided? If the “dude” walks into the store, carrying his rifle, and notices that the store owner has a gun, would you ask whether the “dude” would be justified in shooting the store owner?

99percenter said:
How is the store owner supposed to know?
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Know what?

Merely being in possession of something that can possibly be misused is not evidence of intent to misuse it.
 
Lachean said:
What kind of paranoid store owner are you conceiving?
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A store owner who himself is carrying a gun, but believes that anyone else carrying a gun is a threat that justifies him shooting the other person.

Why is any other person any less justified in shooting that store owner, than that store owner would be in shooting someone else who he observe to be armed?
 
99percenter said:
There is a reason. The store owner is protecting his life and property. I thought conservatives were for that.
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Only when there's a credible threat against which to defend. If merely seeing a gun makes you feel so threatened, even in the absence of any clear intent to misuse it, then I'll just have to chalk you up as yet another datum, among so many that have already been observed, in support of a particular quote that is popularly but incorrectly attributed to Freud.
 
Jesse Booth said:
I hate to say it, but the liberals are actually right for once. If you decide to walk around in public with an assault rifle, as far as I am concerned, you have accepted the risk that someone will see you walking towards them, assume the worst, and pull a gun on you. There's a point where your responsibility to act like a decent person to everyone else and your right to carry firearms openly collides, and that place is called out in public. Seriously. I am behind AR-15s for home defense, but there's just no intelligent reason why you should carry one around in the streets. You never know when you might run into someone who is expecting to get attacked. Say, someone in a gang, or someone in the Witness Protection Program.

I don't oppose the law; I'm just saying, just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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So you're in favor, then, of the principle of a Heckler's Veto.
 
Thom Paine said:
A thought.. question..

A fully automatic rifle ? "assault" rifle ? specifically? Can you describe said specific weapon visualized ?

Kinda' tired of loose and sloppy terminology.... All tissue is not Kleenex; all rifles are not "assault" weapons.

Say what you mean .. mean what you say.
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If hoplophobes were forced to obey that last couplet, then they would never be able to say anything comprehensible.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063417952 said:
Did he point the bad ass scary looking black rifle at the store owner and say, " give me all your tootsie pops mother ****er."
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Being diabetic, I wouldn't be demanding candy anyway, but if I was craving candy, I don't think I'd want it from someone with an Œdipus complex.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Because when someone breaks into your house, you want to get your weapon out as quickly as possible.
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This thread is about carrying outside your home or property, ie into stores.
 
Jerry said:
This thread is about carrying outside your home or property, ie into stores.
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Thanks for the update. Whenever I went hunting in the field or woods, I never kept rifles or shotguns in a case either. They weren't loaded while transporting though. Isn't transporting a rifle or shotgun loaded illegal in some states? What about carrying? Can I carry a loaded rifle to the Willis Tower legally?
 
AJiveMan said:
So, who are you, the rifleman?
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I'm just a regular joe. If you have anything to say which is actualy related to t Nguyen e thread, you're welcome to share it.
 
Jerry said:
I'm just a regular joe. If you have anything to say which is actualy related to t Nguyen e thread, you're welcome to share it.
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WHO?

OPEN CARRY QUESTION
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If a dude walks into a store with an assault rifle with no intention to commit a crime and the store owner shoots him is that justifiable homicide?
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I didn't vote because it doesn't make any sense.
 
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