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Can a Libertarian be Pro Life?

Can a libertarian be pro life?


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Since the dozens and dozens of types of libertarians seem to make it all up as they go along - sure - they can be anything they want to be on any day they want to be and for any reason they want to be. After all, its not like the opinion of a libertarian has any real world consequences.

I tend to agree...they are always in the squishy middle.
 
I don't have a party. Can you answer the question yourself? You brought it up.

I think Libertarians who are pro life are just Republicans not wanting to be associated with the GOP.
 
Fair enough on point 1. I did read your post in regards to point 2. It just seems to me conservatives are jumping on the Libertarian bandwagon so people don't think they are Republicans.

i will put it to you from a libertarian point of view as easy and simple as i can.

libertarians are about individual liberty.

individuals do not always exercise there rights in ways i believe to be correct, however that gives me no authority to use force/ coercion on them, to make them behave in a manner to my liking.
 
I think Libertarians who are pro life are just Republicans not wanting to be associated with the GOP.

So you said. But you don't know anything about Libertarians other than a link to the "party platform".
 
I think Libertarians who are pro life are just Republicans not wanting to be associated with the GOP.

You would be wrong on that. It has been a dispute going on amongst libertarians for a long time now. You are however right that republicans/conservatives are trying to hide amongst the libertarian ranks.
 
Since the dozens and dozens of types of libertarians seem to make it all up as they go along - sure - they can be anything they want to be on any day they want to be and for any reason they want to be. After all, its not like the opinion of a libertarian has any real world consequences.
Not everyone who calls themself a libertarian is actually a libertarian. Liberalism is whatever liberals say it is and is therefore subject to change. The same goes for conservatism. The definitions of those words change from time to time and place to place. From a linguistic perspective, libertarianism isn't like that. You can't change the definition of libertarianism without changing the definition of liberty.
 
Fair enough on point 1. I did read your post in regards to point 2. It just seems to me conservatives are jumping on the Libertarian bandwagon so people don't think they are Republicans.

In my case, I've changed my views on drugs for example (legalize all of them), have reversed some of my views about projection of power into foreign nations (now mostly against such actions), and have gotten tired of Republicans who grow and expand government just like liberals. Instead of social hive mind thinking, I've focused on individualism and allowing people to do mostly what they want to do without government having to step in and baby sit. I still consider myself a fiscal conservative, but politically Libertarian with Right those fiscal conservative leanings (hence, Libertarian - Right).

I was on this forum for years and had no problem identifying myself as a Conservative Republican, that was during a time it wasn't popular at all.
 
I think Libertarians who are pro life are just Republicans not wanting to be associated with the GOP.

So by your being a Liberal, we can assume you fully support the Democrat party?
 
I think Libertarians who are pro life are just Republicans not wanting to be associated with the GOP.

Why wouldn't they... it would be a great time to be associated with the GOP.
 
Of course a Libertarian can be pro-life. It's difficult for me to even think that was a serious question. The assumption that a Liberal, or Conservative or Libertarian must agree with their party's view 100% is moronic. Libertarians are for individual liberty. Where abortions come in, I agree with Libertarians that the government should keep their nose out of the issue. From an individual perspective I favor the rights of the unborn in MOST cases. There are cases where abortion can and should be considered. That does not change my pro-life stance. What's obvious is that the OP and author don't know liberty, don't live liberty and therefore struggles to grasp the concept of individual freedom and accountability.

A true Libertarian would also not tell people they aren't supposed to have religious beliefs. I have none, but I respect that others do. That's the true Libertarian way. We are all entitled to choice, and the government doesn't have a right to tell us what to think.
 
i will put it to you from a libertarian point of view as easy and simple as i can.

libertarians are about individual liberty.

individuals do not always exercise there rights in ways i believe to be correct, however that gives me no authority to use force/ coercion on them, to make them behave in a manner to my liking.

Seems reasonable.
 
How does being pro-life contradict favoring small government?

None in the least.

One can be pro-life and anti-abortion. It is the anti...or passing legislation that is the intrusive...small government out of our lives conundrum.
 
So by your being a Liberal, we can assume you fully support the Democrat party?

Depending on the platform, yes. The platform does change from time to time, but on major issues yes.
 
well ?.... it does, then why do liberals, and social conservatives, try to use force on people to make them do things they just don't like?

In both cases, because they think they know better than you do.
 
A true Libertarian would also not tell people they aren't supposed to have religious beliefs. I have none, but I respect that others do. That's the true Libertarian way. We are all entitled to choice, and the government doesn't have a right to tell us what to think.

I disagree with the entire premise of your post. A Libertarian can be religious, they just aren't going to try and convince you to follow their beliefs because every person has the right to make their own choice.
 
Like what?

well i am sure you dont need me to list the social conservative point.

however liberals do not.........recognize... right to association, right to property, they believe people can be forced to associate, and that property can be taken, some even believe you have no property ....its only what the State allows you to use.
 
I disagree with the entire premise of your post. A Libertarian can be religious, they just aren't going to try and convince you to follow their beliefs because every person has the right to make their own choice.

You're saying the same thing tres just said, just differently.
 
For conservatives: anti-gay marriage, anti-marijuana, etc.

For liberals: gun control, often intolerant of religious expression (if it a Christian doing the expressing, of course)

Are we talking about parties or ideologies in general?
 
So what's the difference between Libertarians and Republicans?

So use your link for Libertarians, and then go look up the GOP and do a side by side comparison. In short, GOP want to continue a war on drugs, Libertarians don't. GOP wants to continue to project power overseas, Libertarians primarily do not. The GOP wants to increase the military and military spending, Libertarians more or less do not. The GOP wants to grow the government just slower than Liberals, the Libertarians want smaller unobtrusive government and to be basically left alone (less regulation).
 
And f*ck you too, friend! Although you do have part of an actual point. If there was a single, all-encompassing platform that Libertarians all had to follow, that would be a massive contradiction to the entire purpose of the libertarian party. It basically all boils down to this: it is never right to instigate violence or robbery against another human being or their private property. How you interpret that single binding key concept varies from person to person, especially on this issue. You see, we libertarians are independent enough to form our own opinions that someone didn't spoon-feed us, but decisive enough to pick an option to list as our political affiliation other than the only option less specific than independent. Not to criticize independents, of course; they are at least capable of saying for sure that they are not members of a political party.

Which is why you folks cannot even get 1% in a national election.
 
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