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Should this sniper helping nevada cattle rancher be arrested

SHOULD HE BE ARRESTED?

  • do not arrest him

    Votes: 12 29.3%

  • arrest him

    Votes: 25 61.0%

  • arrest him and beat the hell out of him police style

    Votes: 4 9.8%
  • Total voters
    41
tech30528 said:
....He is a hell of a lot farther than 250 yards away. I am a distance shooter....
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It is 100 yards between the bridges. :roll:

Here is a better pic of his position:
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His feet are laying on the Eastbound Interstate 15 fast lane there.
 
Sababa said:
I love watching the sheep of the right wing noise machine justifying criminal behavior. I think this guy is criminally stupid as well as violating the law. Imagine if he was a man with a long beard and a kafiya and pointing the gun at Time Square.
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Yeah, because a guy with a beard looking at you from a long distance away is soooo much more threatening. As for criminal behavior, there were a lot of people on the other side looking at people over a barrel too. Having a badge does not justify criminal behavior. We are currently putting pressure on a local police department that served a no knock warrant on a low level drug dealer with a SWAT team in the middle of the night. Problem is he wasn't home and the flashbang grenade they tossed in to the house ended up in a toddler's crib and nearly killed him. THAT is criminal use of deadly force, not laying on a bridge effectly out of range looking down the barrel of a light rifle. I typically have my favorite 22 on my shoulder when I'm out walking in the woods, not that I'm necessarily shooting at anything but I do use the scope to get a closer look at things. It's a real shame that so many people have been scared in to cowering behind appointed officials to protect them from what they are told to be afraid of and equate a badge with honor and good intentions.
 
AJiveMan said:
It was to imply that snipers can and do use the AR-15 with and without a scope.:roll:
Snipers do use the AR-15, there are many different models, some have a range of 500 yards and more, but you can Google it and do your own research, never take anything someone types on the internets.
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Really? :roll:

A lot of people use AR and similar looking rifles but can you show me one confirmable reference when a real sniper used an AR without a scope to use for a sniping mission?


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TOJ said:
Really? :roll:

A lot of people use AR and similar looking rifles but can you show me one confirmable reference when a real sniper used an AR without a scope to use for a sniping mission?


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Can you show anyone where it has not? :roll:
 
TOJ said:
Really? :roll:

A lot of people use AR and similar looking rifles but can you show me one confirmable reference when a real sniper used an AR without a scope to use for a sniping mission?

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"A firearms identification expert with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms holds the Bushmaster rifle used in the Beltway Sniper shooting"
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plutonium said:
this guy was pointing a sniper rifle at federal police officers duriing nevada cattle standoff...i take it he was possible pointing at the officer in command if he had any training.... should he be thrown under the jail.....ps black people dont get to do this....lol View attachment 67168157 View attachment 67168158
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I like that one of the poll answers suggests that the govt abuse him. In a thread complaining about the threat posed by armed citizens. Irony?
 
Utility Man said:
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"A firearms identification expert with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms holds the Bushmaster rifle used in the Beltway Sniper shooting"
Case Study 1
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There's one.

I would point out that that weapon was not used with only iron sights.

Thanks.

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tech30528 said:
The guy never pulled the trigger. All he was doing was looking at a crowd thru a crack in the concrete.

Ok, now to the use of an AR15 as a sniper rifle. First off, the standard front iron sight is 8MOA wide. The typical "man sized target" is 20 inches wide. That means at 250 yards the blade on the end of the barrel appears as wide as a person. He is a hell of a lot farther than 250 yards away. I am a distance shooter. I attended a shoot last month where some extremely talented people were able to put shots on target with iron sights at that distance, but it is very rare. Nobody is going to show up intending to shoot at a target that far out that shoots back without a scope, and certainly not with that small a round. Judging by the size of the magazine that is likely a .223, terminal ballistics show that out past about 450 yards that round has lost too much energy to be effectively lethal. At 500 yards he would have to compensating for about 8 feet of bullet drop from point of aim, and at that distance a mild puff of wind is going to push him off target. It's a photo op, nothing more. Just because the rifle is black and has rails doesn't make it a laser guided death machine.
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You forgot to mention the "deadly detachable CLIP" Hahahaha
 
With 20/20 hind sight, the police should have controlled both bridges by positioning people on one end of the bridge (though they did not need to block traffic). This would have deprived the high ground from the free loader's armed supporters and would have discouraged that idiot from either making an impromptu "sniper" effort or very dumb camera pose. Likewise, if the free loader supporters on the bridge started shooting, they could have been subject to enfilade fire.

CRUE CAB said:
Military history is full of sniper stories, none with iron sights.
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Simo Haya the Finnish super sniper did not use optical sights. While his kills have been exaggerated, he was extremely skilled and extremely successful.
CRUE CAB said:
You forgot to mention the "deadly detachable CLIP" Hahahaha
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My father uses the term "clip" to refer to any magazine for any weapon, even pistols. It might be a generational / military slang issue. He has two tours of infantry combat in Vietnam and I believe the term "clip" was common back then.
tech30528 said:
As for criminal behavior, there were a lot of people on the other side looking at people over a barrel too. Having a badge does not justify criminal behavior. We are currently putting pressure on a local police department that served a no knock warrant on a low level drug dealer with a SWAT team in the middle of the night....
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Point well taken, but Bundy, his supporter on the bridge and the SWAT raid are totally seperate issues.
 
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Snipers predate the use of scopes by nearly a century.

That rifle isn't anyone's idea of a modern sniper rifle, but at that range even a mediocre shooter could have done plenty of damage.

AFAIK, it's against the law to aim a firearm at federal officers. It doesn't seem especially smart either. If a Fed chopper had spotted that guy, they might have lit up the whole overpass.
 
Cryptic said:
With 20/20 hind sight, the police should have controlled both bridges by positioning people on one end of the bridge (though they did not need to block traffic). This would have deprived the high ground from the free loader's armed supporters and would have discouraged that idiot from either making an impromptu "sniper" effort or very dumb camera pose. Likewise, if the free loader supporters on the bridge started shooting, they could have been subject to enfilade fire.


Simo Haya the Finnish super sniper did not use optical sights. While his kills have been exaggerated, he was extremely skilled and extremely successful.

My father uses the term "clip" to refer to any magazine for any weapon, even pistols. It might be a generational / military slang issue. He has two tours of infantry combat in Vietnam and I believe the term "clip" was common back then.

Point well taken, but Bundy, his supporter on the bridge and the SWAT raid are totally seperate issues.
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Not since WWII, yea its common to call it that. But the factual Nazi's get a kick out of calling people out on it.
The last real "clip" was the EN BLOC clip in the Garand. Since all US military semi auto rifles have used mags.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Not since WWII, yea its common to call it that. But the factual Nazi's get a kick out of calling people out on it.
The last real "clip" was the EN BLOC clip in the Garand. Since all US military semi auto rifles have used mags.
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Well if we are going to be factual nazis the military still uses clips. Clips are used to charge magazines quickly, usually 10 rounds at a time. (30 ought and 7.62 clips hold 5 rounds.) We carried 2 clips to a pocket in cloth bandoleers with the charger safety pinned to the strap. My day was 5 pocket so 100 rounds were carried carried IIRC.
 
notquiteright said:
Well if we are going to be factual nazis the military still uses clips. Clips are used to charge magazines quickly, usually 10 rounds at a time. (30 ought and 7.62 clips hold 5 rounds.) We carried 2 clips to a pocket in cloth bandoleers with the charger safety pinned to the strap. My day was 5 pocket so 100 rounds were carried carried IIRC.
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Those are stripper clips, they don't feed the weapon.
 
WillyPete said:
AFAIK, it's against the law to aim a firearm at federal officers. It doesn't seem especially smart either. If a Fed chopper had spotted that guy, they might have lit up the whole overpass.
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I agree. As a side note, his finger is almost exaggeratedly not on the trigger. This would seem to support the "camera pose" theory regarding his intent.

At the same time, a spotter may well of not noticed where his finger was, saw him take up a firing position, sight the rifle (the fact that he may or may not have the skills to be accurate at that range with that weapon and with those sights is not really material), and then shot him (or tried to).

Things then would have gone down hill fast... .

CRUE CAB said:
Not since WWII, yea its common to call it that. But the factual Nazi's get a kick out of calling people out on it.
The last real "clip" was the EN BLOC clip in the Garand. Since all US military semi auto rifles have used mags.
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What about the rifle- I dont know the name of it, which replaced the Garand and was used until the M-16 was accepted by all services? Did that one use clips or magazines?
 
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If he is doing what it appears he's doing, than yes he should be arrested. Pointing a weapon, let alone a loaded weapon, is a criminal act, and he should not be exempted because he is the champion of the Tea Party movement. I don't agree with the third option, however. That would clearly be a violation of his 8th Amendment rights.

As far as Cliven Bundy, his crimes were clearly evident: he had his cattle on federal property without permission. A minor crime, but it still is a crime. The fact that he made a publicity stunt out of the whole affair is pathetic.
 
tres borrachos said:
Buck's definitions all included the actual firing of a gun. Since he didn't fire anything, he's not a sniper.

Someone else brought that up abou the lack of a scope. He would have had a great shot into the air, and maybe killed a bird at best.
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Not to mention that the picture is misleading and surrounding elevation pictures suggests more that he would have been aiming way over their heads.

The two overpasses are of similar height - he's "aiming" just below the father overpass.
 
CRUE CAB said:
You forgot to mention the "deadly detachable CLIP" Hahahaha
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The guy two spots to my right at the last shoot was using a Garand. A nice one too. His father is a decorated war hero (2 purple hearts, many others) and was there to teach his son. At one point the son opened an ammo box of loaded "magazines" as he called them. We all had a good laugh because in this case they actually were "clips".

I was using a highly modified Mosin Nagant that is scoped, mag fed and has a muzzle brake that looks like it ought to be on a tank barrel. I was wearing electronic ear muffs which amplify when there is nothing loud enough to make them dampen. When I fired my first round it rearranged his hat and I heard him say " Holy ****!". He had a long weekend but eventual acclimated and did quite well. :lol:
 
notquiteright said:
Well if we are going to be factual nazis the military still uses clips. Clips are used to charge magazines quickly, usually 10 rounds at a time. (30 ought and 7.62 clips hold 5 rounds.) We carried 2 clips to a pocket in cloth bandoleers with the charger safety pinned to the strap. My day was 5 pocket so 100 rounds were carried carried IIRC.
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Yup. Those are stripper clips.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
If he is doing what it appears he's doing, than yes he should be arrested. Pointing a weapon, let alone a loaded weapon, is a criminal act, and he should not be exempted because he is the champion of the Tea Party movement. I don't agree with the third option, however. That would clearly be a violation of his 8th Amendment rights.

As far as Cliven Bundy, his crimes were clearly evident: he had his cattle on federal property without permission. A minor crime, but it still is a crime. The fact that he made a publicity stunt out of the whole affair is pathetic.
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The government responding to a tax issue with military force SHOULD be the issue. It shouldn't matter what side of the issue you are on, there is no reason for non military offices to have access to this kind of fire power. If this is OK with you it is only so long before past due college loan notices are served with flashbangs and SWAT teams. Overly militant government offices are an afront to a free citizenry.
 
plutonium said:
this guy was pointing a sniper rifle at federal police officers duriing nevada cattle standoff...i take it he was possible pointing at the officer in command if he had any training.... should he be thrown under the jail.....ps black people dont get to do this....lol View attachment 67168157 View attachment 67168158
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he could be charged by Nevada law enforcement for pointing a weapon at another person... a misdemeanor.

he probably won't be charged though...

if he was arrested on the spot, folks might have a case, but nothing happened to him.. and it is proven he did nothing to disturb public peace or health.... he simply was not a threat.
 
tech30528 said:
The government responding to a tax issue with military force SHOULD be the issue. It shouldn't matter what side of the issue you are on, there is no reason for non military offices to have access to this kind of fire power. If this is OK with you it is only so long before past due college loan notices are served with flashbangs and SWAT teams. Overly militant government offices are an afront to a free citizenry.
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It was the Bundy crowd that originally brought weapons to the affair. The government repeatedly warned the rancher, than removed the cattle from federal land. I don't agree with an overly militant police force, but you're painting this as though the protesters were not the ones who escalated the situation.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
It was the Bundy crowd that originally brought weapons to the affair. The government repeatedly warned the rancher, than removed the cattle from federal land. I don't agree with an overly militant police force, but you're painting this as though the protesters were not the ones who escalated the situation.
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umm, no, the Bundy crowd ( referring to the militias) showed up in response to the authorities showing up armed for bear, not the other way around.


honestly, after watching our government authorities perpetrate ruby ridge and Waco... it's not a bad idea to have folks show up like those militias did.
Bundy will eventually answer for any wrongdoing he has done... but riding in like an invading army like the authorities did should be cause for concern in light of past events..
 
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