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Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

Who is MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans?

  • GOP

    Votes: 5 5.1%

  • Black Leadership

    Votes: 22 22.4%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 15 15.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 56 57.1%
  • Total voters
    98
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Dittohead not! said:
I'm not sure changing an area like that is even possible.
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Perhaps not.

Especially since doing so would probably require measures that are illegal.

Not to mention changing the residents as well.
 
The Mark said:
I'm not sure they're any worse off than anyone would be in the areas they live (I'm assuming here that you refer to the situation black persons who live in specific areas are in, since outside that I suspect their lives are much like anyone else)

But then I haven't looked at the issue much...

I don't think blaming any one thing is reasonable.

And I would suggest that it's the area, not the people. Although the two are interrelated to a degree...
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In the case of inner City areas, the environment is not the cause, its a symptom and a indicator.
 
Fenton said:
In the case of inner City areas, the environment is not the cause, its a symptom and a indicator.
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At this point the environment is both the cause and the symptom.

The environment begets individuals who maintain the environment, IOW.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
It's a heck of a lot less brutal and/or cheaper than the alternative.
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The alternative being that they pay for their own birth control? How is that "brutal"?
 
RedAkston said:
The alternative being that they pay for their own birth control? How is that "brutal"?
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When a person cannot afford it, the alternative is a) abortion b) paying for child welfare c) paying for birth control is far far far far far far cheaper and far less brutal
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
When a person cannot afford it, the alternative is a) abortion b) paying for child welfare c) paying for birth control is far far far far far far cheaper and far less brutal
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If one can't afford cable TV they don't get it.
If one can't afford a new car, they repair the older car they have.
But if one cannot afford birth control, BY GOD SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD PAY FOR IT!!!!!

:roll:
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
When a person cannot afford it, the alternative is a) abortion b) paying for child welfare c) paying for birth control is far far far far far far cheaper and far less brutal
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Anyone who's old enough for sex should be able to buy their own birth control. It's really not that expensive.
 
Exclusionary white people. Slavery and de jure segregation are over, but poverty acts as a de facto segregator, and since meaningful social mobility in America ended around the same time as the civil rights movement, there are still many many African-Americans living in poverty. The problem lies in how middle-to-upper class (white) America is able to segregate itself in neighborhoods, schools, and employment from the poor. It creates a vicious, inescapable circle.
 
Krhazy said:
Exclusionary white people. Slavery and de jure segregation are over, but poverty acts as a de facto segregator, and since meaningful social mobility in America ended around the same time as the civil rights movement, there are still many many African-Americans living in poverty. The problem lies in how middle-to-upper class (white) America is able to segregate itself in neighborhoods, schools, and employment from the poor. It creates a vicious, inescapable circle.
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you mean white people who work hard move to areas which have nicer homes and better schools and those who cannot afford such areas cannot move there?
 
RedAkston said:
If one can't afford cable TV they don't get it.
If one can't afford a new car, they repair the older car they have.
But if one cannot afford birth control, BY GOD SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD PAY FOR IT!!!!!

:roll:
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You will as in taking care of children for a very long time. It's about pragmatic solutions not moral ones.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Anyone who's old enough for sex should be able to buy their own birth control. It's really not that expensive.
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The entire point is that it IS expensive for taxpayers when those babies are born and we are going to be paying for them for a very long time....maybe even into adulthood if they end up in the penal system. Just a fact. Much cheaper to buy them birth control pills.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The entire point is that it IS expensive for taxpayers when those babies are born and we are going to be paying for them for a very long time....maybe even into adulthood if they end up in the penal system. Just a fact. Much cheaper to buy them birth control pills.
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Agree with this.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The entire point is that it IS expensive for taxpayers when those babies are born and we are going to be paying for them for a very long time....maybe even into adulthood if they end up in the penal system. Just a fact. Much cheaper to buy them birth control pills.
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you make a good point. why should the taxpayers pay for babies that those who produce them refuse to support? I figure-you have one kid that others have to pay for, you are prevented from spawning any more
 
TurtleDude said:
you make a good point. why should the taxpayers pay for babies that those who produce them refuse to support? I figure-you have one kid that others have to pay for, you are prevented from spawning any more
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Why resort to such extremes when the solution doesn't have to be nearly so extreme? It would be cheaper and more pragmatic to provide them with birth control rather than force sterilization.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Why resort to such extremes when the solution doesn't have to be nearly so extreme? It would be cheaper and more pragmatic to provide them with birth control rather than force sterilization.
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I used to work at PP. You'd be shocked to hear how many inner city men object to birth control.
 
Krhazy said:
Exclusionary white people. Slavery and de jure segregation are over, but poverty acts as a de facto segregator, and since meaningful social mobility in America ended around the same time as the civil rights movement, there are still many many African-Americans living in poverty. The problem lies in how middle-to-upper class (white) America is able to segregate itself in neighborhoods, schools, and employment from the poor. It creates a vicious, inescapable circle.
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And you want people that are able to make more money and move to nicer areas to what? Not do so and live in a poorer area and send their kids to poor performing schools for some reason? Seriously? Why?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
The entire point is that it IS expensive for taxpayers when those babies are born and we are going to be paying for them for a very long time....maybe even into adulthood if they end up in the penal system. Just a fact. Much cheaper to buy them birth control pills.
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A great argument for forced sterilization... I would imagine the poor would like that anyway. All the sex and none of the responsibility ...
 
RedAkston said:
If one can't afford cable TV they don't get it.
If one can't afford a new car, they repair the older car they have.
But if one cannot afford birth control, BY GOD SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD PAY FOR IT!!!!!

:roll:
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I think that an at least somewhat reasonable arguments can be made along the lines that children which parents have trouble supporting are more of a burden on society than birth control would be.

Now, if you disagree with the use of birth control and would rather support the children, that's your option. But the argument remains for those who do not hold that position.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
See post 616. It is far less extreme and inexpensive to provide birth control.
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But with birth control they can forget or choose to not use it... forced sterilization is permanent and secure.
 
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