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Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

Who is MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans?

  • GOP

    Votes: 5 5.1%
  • Black Leadership

    Votes: 22 22.4%
  • Democrats

    Votes: 15 15.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 56 57.1%

  • Total voters
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But that's my point that the real economic problem is not associated with race, as much as meeting a certain criteria to gain access to funding for higher education and job opportunities. It's not because a majority of the Fortune 500 are white males, it's because they're elitist. And many of the cultural problems for blacks, latinos and poor whites are from generations of negative habits and customs, poverty is truly a trap, not just 'whitey' holding people down.

It's not a trap, it's cage with an open door that people choose to stay in. Anyone who wants to go to college can do so WITHOUT going into debt. If you're poor, there are massive amounts of grant money out there available to you. I have a good friend who gets pissed off about this since he makes too much money for his daughter to qualify for these grants, yet not enough to pay her way for her (she's working her way through law school, with NO loans and with about a thousand $ a month help from her dad). Staying in poverty is a choice, not something that gets forced on people. Self-discipline, self-motivation and a refusal to allow oneself to be poor are the driving forces that people need to have to get out of this open cage.
 
Now? jeez Louise, it has been that way for centuries.

wash rinse repeat...

I have my explanation of the same phenom, your argument is to return to marriage being an economic necessity, resulting in higher female suicide and homicide.....rather than creating greater wage gains for women and men in lower quintiles.

except that people who are married are generally happier, live longer, are less likely to be poor, and far less likely to produce children of poverty then people who don't marry.

Facts are not on your side when you argue for single parenthood.
 
I've seen some those studies and they confuse racism with discrimination against a "thug" stereotype that far too many young blacks embrace.
Oh, I see, racism towards blacks.....and discrimination of blacks...are two different things.........and it is caused by "thugness".

Thanks for explaining that racism towards blacks is really all their fault, whereas, in the last post, we were told that blacks need to get over what happened "150 years ago", the implication being that racism is imagined.
 
No, again, you are conflating 2 statements, it was easier for single women to live on their own following no-fault divorce and their increasing wage gains in the 1960's......and 20 years later thru today, wage gains for all lower quintile workers (particularly women) have gone stagnant or negative.

I have my explanation of the same phenom, your argument is to return to marriage being an economic necessity, resulting in higher female suicide and homicide.....rather than creating greater wage gains for women and men in lower quintiles.

I know, fear of violence and suicide...is selfishness, and everyone knows that continued decreased wage gains is something everyone anticipated!
except that people who are married are generally happier, live longer, are less likely to be poor, and far less likely to produce children of poverty then people who don't marry.

Facts are not on your side when you argue for single parenthood.

Over the past thirty years changes in divorce law have significantly increased access to divorce. The
different timing of divorce law reform across states provides a useful quasi-experiment with which
to examine the effects of this change. We analyze state panel data to estimate changes in suicide,
domestic violence, and spousal murder rates arising from the change in divorce law. Suicide rates
are used as a quantifiable measure of wellbeing, albeit one that focuses on the extreme lower tail of
the distribution. We find a large, statistically significant, and econometrically robust decline in the
number of women committing suicide following the introduction of unilateral divorce. No
significant effect is found for men. Domestic violence is analyzed using data on both family conflict
resolution and intimate homicide rates. The results indicate a large decline in domestic violence for
both men and women in states that adopted unilateral divorce. We find suggestive evidence that
unilateral divorce led to a decline in females murdered by their partners, while the data revealed no
discernible effects for men murdered. In sum, we find strong evidence that legal institutions have
profound real effects on outcomes within families.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w10175.pdf
 
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Over the past thirty years changes in divorce law have significantly increased access to divorce. The
different timing of divorce law reform across states provides a useful quasi-experiment with which
to examine the effects of this change. We analyze state panel data to estimate changes in suicide,
domestic violence, and spousal murder rates arising from the change in divorce law. Suicide rates
are used as a quantifiable measure of wellbeing, albeit one that focuses on the extreme lower tail of
the distribution. We find a large, statistically significant, and econometrically robust decline in the
number of women committing suicide following the introduction of unilateral divorce. No
significant effect is found for men. Domestic violence is analyzed using data on both family conflict
resolution and intimate homicide rates. The results indicate a large decline in domestic violence for
both men and women in states that adopted unilateral divorce. We find suggestive evidence that
unilateral divorce led to a decline in females murdered by their partners, while the data revealed no
discernible effects for men murdered. In sum, we find strong evidence that legal institutions have
profound real effects on outcomes within families.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w10175.pdf


and are women of poverty less likely to be abused by their partners than women who find a suitable mate and marry before having children?
 
and are women of poverty less likely to be abused by their partners than women who find a suitable mate and marry before having children?
I have no idea, why don't you go find that out.

In the meanwhile, here is something to answer your and your brethren's previous assertions that single low income mothers stay unmarried for/because of welfare:


Discussion
These mothers accounts reveal the central importance that economic factors, status
considerations, control and the stalled sex role revolution at home, and trust play in shaping low income
single mothers’ views toward marriage. The social science literature on marriage choices
offers several explanations for the retreat from marriage, but qualitative data from in-depth
interviews with nearly 300 low-income single mothers in three cities offers varying levels of
support for these theories. In addition, several factors this analysis reveals currently have little
place in the social science literature on the retreat from marriage, and could be profitably explored
by other scholars.

Low-income mothers see money—both the amount and regularity of men’s earnings—as a
fundamental precondition for marriage. However, they also place value on the level of effort men
put into their attempts to find and keep a job. In addition, the source of men’s income is a crucial
factor. Women almost never consider men whose earnings source is crime as “marriage material,”
but men whose earnings are informal but otherwise legal are viewed as potential partners. Men
whose earnings are from formal sector work are the best bet for marriage partners, assuming this
work pays significantly above the legal minimum and is relatively stable. The importance of men’s
effort and their income source are seldom considered in the social science literature on marriage.
The “economic independence” argument clearly does not well fit for single mothers at the
bottom of the income distribution.​

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/inequality/Seminar/Papers/Edin.PDF
 
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Oh, I see, racism towards blacks.....and discrimination of blacks...are two different things.........and it is caused by "thugness".

Thanks for explaining that racism towards blacks is really all their fault, whereas, in the last post, we were told that blacks need to get over what happened "150 years ago", the implication being that racism is imagined.

some discrimination is proper. racism is not. walking away from a group of stereotypical gangstas is saw discrimination. a shopkeeper being extra alert when gypsies enter his store but not when 2 mormon missionaries or Hasidim come in is proper "discrimination"

we all discriminate in our lives. why do you think attractive girls with good personalities tend to get more dates than slothy fat women who are bitches? DISCRIMINATION
 
It's not a trap, it's cage with an open door that people choose to stay in. Anyone who wants to go to college can do so WITHOUT going into debt. If you're poor, there are massive amounts of grant money out there available to you. I have a good friend who gets pissed off about this since he makes too much money for his daughter to qualify for these grants, yet not enough to pay her way for her (she's working her way through law school, with NO loans and with about a thousand $ a month help from her dad). Staying in poverty is a choice, not something that gets forced on people. Self-discipline, self-motivation and a refusal to allow oneself to be poor are the driving forces that people need to have to get out of this open cage.

Ahhh.... I see, people actually like to be poor and simply don't want to work hard enough to get out of debt? Well that makes sense, because it's so easy that a majority do succeed and there are few people unemployed, uneducated or poor. Glad you cleared that up that being poor is a preferable choice for the impoverished. :doh
 
some discrimination is proper. racism is not. walking away from a group of stereotypical gangstas is saw discrimination. a shopkeeper being extra alert when gypsies enter his store but not when 2 mormon missionaries or Hasidim come in is proper "discrimination"
I see, some racial discrimination is OK!

That is what I expect to read from you.

we all discriminate in our lives. why do you think attractive girls with good personalities tend to get more dates than slothy fat women who are bitches? DISCRIMINATION
Um, not racial discrimination...try again.
 
The title is evident. Who is the MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans today??

Poorly-written poll, because you're listing only choices as applies to the parties of the modern day, whereas the parties before 1970 were wildly different from the way they are today. Back then, both parties had strong liberals and strong conservatives...but the most racist area of the nation - the Deep South - has always, always been strongly conservative, regardless of what party was in charge (and yes, I know this from first-hand experience).

A more accurate poll would have asked whether the problems were due to:

1. Conservatives
2. Liberals
3. whites
4. blacks
 
Blacks themselves. They encourage scapegoatism and "blaming whitey". If you're a success doing something besides ballin, slingin, or rappin, you're a sellout. If you speak coherently, you're "talking white". If you're black and support responsibility amongst your own, you're an Uncle Tom.

Black culture does great at keeping their own people down and explaining who is to blame for it.

Ditto....
 
I have no idea, why don't you go find that out.

In the meanwhile, here is something to answer your and your brethren's previous assertions that single low income mothers stay unmarried for/because of welfare:


The mothers we spoke to were quite forthcoming about the fact that the men who had
fathered their children often weren’t “worth a lifetime commitment,” given their lack of
trustworthiness, the traditional nature of their sex-role views, the potential loss of control over
parental and household decisions, and their risky and sometimes violent behavior. While mothers

then they shouldn't make babies with such men. Men like that are not the norm in our society.

If a woman finds herself married to a louse, and has already made the mistake of making babies with him, then the proper decision is indeed divorce and single parenthood, at least until a suitable mate can be found. Continuing to go from one failed relationship to anther and making babies with more and more weasel men is not the answer. Courtship, marriage, then starting a family is the correct order, not one night stand, get pregnant, discover (surprise!) that the one night or few nights stand is not a suitable mate, then becoming a single mother is not the way to happiness and prosperity.
 
then they shouldn't make babies with such men.
Sure, they should have the knowledge of future conditions.

Men like that are not the norm in our society.
Our society....being low income males, coming under increasing economic stress due to negative income gains, causing less marriage and other assorted symptoms. Oh wait, you want to shift the discussion to median income families....zowie.

If a woman finds herself married to a louse, and has already made the mistake of making babies with him, then the proper decision is indeed divorce and single parenthood, at least until a suitable mate can be found. Continuing to go from one failed relationship to anther and making babies with more and more weasel men is not the answer. Courtship, marriage, then starting a family is the correct order, not one night stand, get pregnant, discover (surprise!) that the one night or few nights stand is not a suitable mate, then becoming a single mother is not the way to happiness and prosperity.
And again, you make this into a morality tale.....rather than economics....because your welfare queen economics argument is dead.
 
Correct answer is not on the list. Crack.

Prior to the introduction of crack, blacks were on track to equal whites in pay, housing, education and a whole host of other issues. Crack basically stopped that and they lost ground.

Sorry but it comes down to personal responsibility.

No one's forced them to pick up the crack pipes.
 
Continuing to go from one failed relationship to anther and making babies with more and more weasel men is not the answer.
Wash, rinse, repeat...


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Understanding Out-of-Wedlock Births in Black America - Ta-Nehisi Coates - The Atlantic

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ibid
 
If a woman finds herself married to a louse, and has already made the mistake of making babies with him, then the proper decision is indeed divorce and single parenthood, at least until a suitable mate can be found. Continuing to go from one failed relationship to anther and making babies with more and more weasel men is not the answer. Courtship, marriage, then starting a family is the correct order, not one night stand, get pregnant, discover (surprise!) that the one night or few nights stand is not a suitable mate, then becoming a single mother is not the way to happiness and prosperity.
The wellbeing of single-parent families is a vitally important issue for the United States.
Half or more of the children growing up in the U.S. today will spend some, and in some cases
all, of their childhood in a single-parent family.

This report compares U.S. single-parent families with single-parent families in 16 other
high-income countries. We find that U.S. single-parent families are the worst off. They have the
highest poverty rate. They have the highest rate of no health care coverage. They face the
stingiest income support system. They lack the paid-time-off-from-work entitlements that in
comparison countries make it easier for single parents to balance caregiving and jobholding.
They must wait longer than single parents in comparison countries for early childhood education
to begin. They have a low rate of child support receipt.

U.S. single parents have both above average employment rates and above average
poverty rates. High rates of low-wage employment combined with inadequate income support
explain the paradox of high poverty despite high employment.


The comparison high-income countries are Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada,
Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden,
Switzerland, and the United Kingdom (U.K.). These countries have a per capita gross national
income above $30,000 and a population of at least several million. Except when a data source
omits some of the comparison countries, we report on all of them.

http://www.legalmomentum.org/sites/default/files/reports/worst-off-single-parent.pdf
 
As I showed in the study of black youths, the racism they see is not imagined, it is real and tangible and still exist against them.

Your "study" showed absolutely nothing of the kind.

All it demonstrated was that a lot of young African Americans perceive themselves as being victims of discrimination regardless of whether they actually are or not, and this leads them to do poorly in life. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the discrimination you describe even exists in any meaningful sense, let alone that it plays a significant role in holding the Black Community back.

I have my explanation of the same phenom, your argument is to return to marriage being an economic necessity, resulting in higher female suicide and homicide.....

This argument is counter-factual nonsense.

Marriage Still Safest Place For Women And Children

Married, and even divorced, women and their children experience far less domestic violence on average than women who have never been married. Suicide rates for women, and single mothers, have also increased dramatically in recent decades.

Either way you want to look at it, marriage is usually better than single motherhood. It is more economically workable, and more socially workable.

rather than creating greater wage gains for women and men in lower quintiles.

The goal should be to lift impoverished people out of the "lower quintiles," not make it more comfortable for them to languish there at tax payer expense.

Wash, rinse, repeat...

We're telling you what the Black Community needs to do if it wants to be successful in elevating its circumstances. I'm sorry, but nothing about this is going to change simply because you happen to dislike the solutions put forward.

If African Americans are unwilling to do what is necessary to elevate themselves, they will remain in impoverished squallor. No one is going to rescue them from their own stupidity if they are too stubborn to change their own behavior for the better.

I'm sorry, but that's really all there is to say here.

You can "get with the program" like every other ethnic group in the United States has managed to do, or you can get out. :shrug:


And how much of this is because of the ever-growing abortion rate that has afflicted the Black Community over the course of the last several decades?

Sky-High Abortion Rates Among Blacks And Minorities Only Getting Worse

Aborting 25% or more of all African American pregnancies really isn't the solution you're looking for here; especially given the fact that it seems to be having no meaningful impact whatsoever on actually improving the black community's standing in American society.

The wellbeing of single-parent families is a vitally important issue for the United States.
Half or more of the children growing up in the U.S. today will spend some, and in some cases
all, of their childhood in a single-parent family.

This report compares U.S. single-parent families with single-parent families in 16 other
high-income countries. We find that U.S. single-parent families are the worst off. They have the
highest poverty rate. They have the highest rate of no health care coverage. They face the
stingiest income support system. They lack the paid-time-off-from-work entitlements that in
comparison countries make it easier for single parents to balance caregiving and jobholding.
They must wait longer than single parents in comparison countries for early childhood education
to begin. They have a low rate of child support receipt.

U.S. single parents have both above average employment rates and above average
poverty rates. High rates of low-wage employment combined with inadequate income support
explain the paradox of high poverty despite high employment.


The comparison high-income countries are Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada,
Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden,
Switzerland, and the United Kingdom (U.K.). These countries have a per capita gross national
income above $30,000 and a population of at least several million. Except when a data source
omits some of the comparison countries, we report on all of them.

http://www.legalmomentum.org/sites/default/files/reports/worst-off-single-parent.pdf

Ah. I see. You're proposing that the American welfare system, and American tax payers, basically bankrupt themselves trying to subsidize the stupidity of lower class and minority women who willfully choose to have children out of wedlock, because you stubbornly insist that this behavior should be encouraged in spite of the problems it causes. :roll:

Frankly, I find it absolutely amazing that you expect anyone here to have sympathy for low income African Americans given how you've chosen to portray the community in your posts. You've basically reinforced every negative stereotype in the book.

You apparently believe that African Americans have the absolute right to behave like anti-social thugs, willfully fail to conform to American cultural standards, and have children they cannot support out of wedlock, with "whitey" footing the bill for the failures these behaviors inevitably result in every step of the way. You also seem to believe that anyone who so much as attempts to give the slightest bit of constructive criticism regarding these attitudes is a "racist," responsible for holding blacks back.

Again, I hate to break to you man, but the real world simply doesn't work that way. :lol:

African Americans (or persons of any race, really) who are unwilling to put forth the effort necessary to elevate themselves can rot for all I care. I am under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to help someone who refuses to help themselves.
 
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I see, some racial discrimination is OK!

That is what I expect to read from you.

Um, not racial discrimination...try again.

that is dishonest to make it racial. racial discrimination implies race is why people discriminate rather than actions black kids wearing suits and ties vs gangsters?
 
. . . .
And how much of this is because of the ever-growing abortion rate that has afflicted the Black Community over the course of the last several decades?

Sky-High Abortion Rates Among Blacks And Minorities Only Getting Worse

Aborting 25% or more of all African American pregnancies really isn't the solution you're looking for here; especially given the fact that it seems to be having no meaningful impact whatsoever on actually improving the black community's standing in American society. . . .

Hmm. That almost seems like genocide some how. Self inflicted to be sure, but none the less.
 
It's not a trap, it's cage with an open door that people choose to stay in. Anyone who wants to go to college can do so WITHOUT going into debt. If you're poor, there are massive amounts of grant money out there available to you. I have a good friend who gets pissed off about this since he makes too much money for his daughter to qualify for these grants, yet not enough to pay her way for her (she's working her way through law school, with NO loans and with about a thousand $ a month help from her dad). Staying in poverty is a choice, not something that gets forced on people. Self-discipline, self-motivation and a refusal to allow oneself to be poor are the driving forces that people need to have to get out of this open cage.

YES! "Self-discipline, self-motivation and a refusal to allow oneself to be poor are the driving forces that people need to have to get out of this open cage." That's exactly what I did. I had gone without all my life, so that was not the problem, I was used to that. It meant walking 5 kilometres to the train station, 1 and a half hours train travel, another 1 and a half kilometres walking, university lectures and tutes and then doing the same travelling and walking at night, 5 days a week, but I did it. Had to get into debt with student loans because I had to pay rent and my daughter was still at home (my son had gone off on an adventure to live life by then). I had so little money that my daughter also got a few dollars from the government to help with the rent. I was in my mid-40s before I went to uni. I didn't blame anyone, I didn't rage at the world because I came from poverty and so did my kids, I did something about it.
 
that is dishonest to make it racial. racial discrimination implies race is why people discriminate rather than actions black kids wearing suits and ties vs gangsters?
I'll let you think about that one for a while.
 
Your "study" showed absolutely nothing of the kind.

All it demonstrated was that a lot of young African Americans perceive themselves as being victims of discrimination regardless of whether they actually are or not, and this leads them to do poorly in life. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that the discrimination you describe even exists in any meaningful sense, let alone that it plays a significant role in holding the Black Community back.
You are simply repeating the same thing you said before, it is an ABSOLUTE denial of racism experienced by black youths today



Suicide rates for women, and single mothers, have also increased dramatically in recent decades.
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Either way you want to look at it, marriage is usually better than single motherhood. It is more economically workable, and more socially workable.
And yet as already shown, it is declining, YOY for all races since 1950.



The goal should be to lift impoverished people out of the "lower quintiles," not make it more comfortable for them to languish there at tax payer expense.
I already showed that single poor women are willing to give up welfare if their partner is gainfully employed.....but as I showed, low income wage gains have been negative.



We're telling you what the Black Community needs to do if it wants to be successful in elevating its circumstances. I'm sorry, but nothing about this is going to change simply because you happen to dislike the solutions put forward.

If African Americans are unwilling to do what is necessary to elevate themselves, they will remain in impoverished squallor. No one is going to rescue them from their own stupidity if they are too stubborn to change their own behavior for the better.

I'm sorry, but that's really all there is to say here.

You can "get with the program" like every other ethnic group in the United States has managed to do, or you can get out. :shrug:
You are still in denial of the effects that racism has in the US on economic achievement, let alone the existence of racism period and no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise.



And how much of this is because of the ever-growing abortion rate that has afflicted the Black Community over the course of the last several decades?

Sky-High Abortion Rates Among Blacks And Minorities Only Getting Worse

Aborting 25% or more of all African American pregnancies really isn't the solution you're looking for here; especially given the fact that it seems to be having no meaningful impact whatsoever on actually improving the black community's standing in American society.
Weird....you are against single women raising children.....yet if they use birth control....you are against that too?

FFS!



Ah. I see. You're proposing that the American welfare system, and American tax payers, basically bankrupt themselves trying to subsidize the stupidity of lower class and minority women who willfully choose to have children out of wedlock, because you stubbornly insist that this behavior should be encouraged in spite of the problems it causes. :roll:
Wow, these other modern states are "bankrupt" because they have better support for single mothers....who are "stupid".

Not much right wing authoritarian rhetoric there....nope.

Frankly, I find it absolutely amazing that you expect anyone here to have sympathy for low income African Americans given how you've chosen to portray the community in your posts. You've basically reinforced every negative stereotype in the book.
I know, I've said

"stupidity of lower class and minority women"

oh...wait.....that wasn't me.

You apparently believe that African Americans have the absolute right to behave like anti-social thugs, willfully fail to conform to American cultural standards, and have children they cannot support out of wedlock,
Hold on, I believe that the majority of the poor in the US are white......but go on with your self destructing rant...



with "whitey" footing the bill for the failures these behaviors inevitably result in every step of the way.
Well, as i said, the majority are white....so....ya know....your argument collapses in on itself.


You also seem to believe that anyone who so much as attempts to give the slightest bit of constructive criticism regarding these attitudes is a "racist," responsible for holding blacks back.
I think I have been consistently slamming the lack of supporting evidence for the rhetoric.....which continues.

Again, I hate to break to you man, but the real world simply doesn't work that way. :lol:
Again, it is ironic that you talk about reality while you keep denying the existence of racism and its effects.

African Americans (or persons of any race, really) who are unwilling to put forth the effort necessary to elevate themselves can rot for all I care. I am under absolutely no obligation whatsoever to help someone who refuses to help themselves.

"U.S. single parents have both above average employment rates and above average poverty rates. High rates of low-wage employment combined with inadequate income support explain the paradox of high poverty despite high employment."
 
The wellbeing of single-parent families is a vitally important issue for the United States.
Half or more of the children growing up in the U.S. today will spend some, and in some cases
all, of their childhood in a single-parent family.

This report compares U.S. single-parent families with single-parent families in 16 other
high-income countries. We find that U.S. single-parent families are the worst off. They have the
highest poverty rate. They have the highest rate of no health care coverage. They face the
stingiest income support system. They lack the paid-time-off-from-work entitlements that in
comparison countries make it easier for single parents to balance caregiving and jobholding.
They must wait longer than single parents in comparison countries for early childhood education
to begin. They have a low rate of child support receipt.

U.S. single parents have both above average employment rates and above average
poverty rates. High rates of low-wage employment combined with inadequate income support
explain the paradox of high poverty despite high employment.


The comparison high-income countries are Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada,
Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden,
Switzerland, and the United Kingdom (U.K.). These countries have a per capita gross national
income above $30,000 and a population of at least several million. Except when a data source
omits some of the comparison countries, we report on all of them.

http://www.legalmomentum.org/sites/default/files/reports/worst-off-single-parent.pdf

Good. Perhaps that's what's behind the declining birthrate for unmarried white women, and the leveling off of the birthrate for black unmarried women. Let's keep those out of wedlock births going the right direction.

One more observation: It seems we've been talking about two different scenarios. One is the married woman who discovers her chosen mate is a louse, and so seeks divorce. The other is unmarried women having babies. Just who are the baby daddies of these little bastards? Could it be that my characterization of going from one man to another making babies isn't so far off the mark after all?
 
Good. Perhaps that's what's behind the declining birthrate for unmarried white women, and the leveling off of the birthrate for black unmarried women. Let's keep those out of wedlock births going the right direction.
This comment applies to the post you ignored.

One more observation: It seems we've been talking about two different scenarios. One is the married woman who discovers her chosen mate is a louse, and so seeks divorce. The other is unmarried women having babies. Just who are the baby daddies of these little bastards? Could it be that my characterization of going from one man to another making babies isn't so far off the mark after all?
And this comment doesn't apply to the post, at all.

Non-sequitur.
 
except that people who are married are generally happier, live longer, are less likely to be poor, and far less likely to produce children of poverty then people who don't marry.

Facts are not on your side when you argue for single parenthood.

That might explained by the fact that people who get married are generally not poor to begin with

It's a chicken and egg situation
 
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