So please, provide proof for your claim that many black people have given up on trying to succeed.
You don't consider the mass refusal of so many members of the black community to practice safe sex, marry before having children, finish high school, or integrate into mainstream American culture to be a sign of exactly that?
On what grounds?
No one is
forcing African Americans to indulge in these self-destructive behaviors. They are doing so of their own free will, at the highest rates of any ethnic group in the United States. Based upon outcomes, it would appear that these decisions have done much to hold back the advancement of the Black Community as a whole.
Just like Obvious Child, whose post you liked previously, you guys cannot bring forth anything to document your claims. I already showed him that it was not "crack" that caused education drop-offs for Blacks:
And yet when it comes to wages, Blacks have NOT been "on their way"....or for that matter White women:
So just what are you basing your argument on?
Quite frankly, just what
you are basing your arguments on is the better question here.
Your charts show exactly what I have been talking about. Black high school graduation rates (for males, anyway) were on par with whites at the beginning of the 1970s, and climbing rapidly. They took a nose-diving going into the 1980s, and still have not yet fully recovered.
You don't think this has played a major role in the Black Community's "failure to thrive?"
Black wages would also seem to be more or less on par with those of everyone else, and your claim concerning white women is simply bizarre, as the chart blatantly contradicts your claim.
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Here is what you responded to with information from the 1890s:
This is a fact:
Of what relevance?
The Irish faced quite heavy discrimination in the United States as well as Ireland itself. They made due just fine.
So in short, 3 generations after the Irish had started migrating into America, they already had politicians being put within reach of the presidency. How you can still claim that they were as... oppressed as blacks who wouldn't accomplish the same thing for.... 80 years is beyond me.
Again, because the Irish, Italians, Jews, Chinese, and every other minority group in the United States
made that happen. No one did it for them.
The American political system has also been bringing "key" African American individuals into government for decades now. It has made little to no difference whatsoever in elevating the fortunes of the Black Community.
As a matter of fact, in many regards, it has actually been counter-productive, as the most prominent black political leaders only seem to want to pander to populism and emphasize the idea of "black victim-hood" for the interests of the DNC, rather than enact meaningful change.
Says who? The product of a group who was never marginalized for 300 years in America?
Again, events three hundred years ago bears
what relevance to you today?
It gives you something to bitch about, and an excuse to blame your problems on, nothing more.
Get over it.
Proof that this was universal, and not something which affected many other minority groups as well?
Part 2:
Now you're just being dishonest:
Jim Crow laws - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here are excerpts of Jim Crow laws:
Snip Segregation legal Jargon -
Did I ever
deny that Segregation existed in Southern States? What's your point?
Mention of Chinese and Hispanics? None outside of certain states with actual immigration from these groups. Stating that these laws were created to affect Chinese and Hispanics in some parts of the country - when the overwhelming majority of states which Jim Crow laws had no real immigration from these groups is downright dishonest. Jim Crow laws were created to keep blacks and whites separate.
Well no ****, Sherlock. You can't very well discriminate against minority groups which aren't present.
It doesn't change the fact that they
were discriminated against, and have managed to overcome it where blacks have not.
Why do you think that is?
They don't have 300 years of oppression under their belt.
No, they only had roughly 150. :roll:
It doesn't change the fact that they managed to overcome it.
They don't seem to like the British though and kept asking for Hong Kong back for a while
Meaning???
Your own charts state that black poverty was twice what it was for whites in the 1950s and then established that it has stayed at the same ratio all the way through to the 2010s. So how
exactly has it
backslid or gotten worse? Again, I don't think you know how to read your charts
My charts show black poverty decreasing by roughly half between 1950 and 1970, only to then plateau and remain more or less stable (and the highest of any ethnic group in the country) from the mid-1970s onward.
Again, what has changed between that era and now? "Racism" and institutional bias certainly didn't get any worse. To the contrary, they have both improved.
The major things which have changed are that marriage has become virtually non-existent in the black community, where illegitimacy and welfare dependency have become endemic, and the idea of "black victim-hood" has been adopted as infallible political dogma excusing African Americans from seeking their own advancement.
I'm sorry, but the outcomes brought about by this state of affairs are self-evident. It is simply a toxic way of doing things.
If 40% of blacks were poor in 1968 and now 27% of them are poor, doesn't that mean there was a drop of over 25% in poverty?
No, roughly 30% to 32% of blacks were poor in 1968, 35% or more in the mid 1980s, and 27% today, with the number again climbing. They have consistently had the highest poverty rates in the country for the entire period of time detailed as well, in spite of making exceptionally strong gains prior to the 1970s.
Of course they did:
The 1930s: When Irish Catholics Changed America | Irish America
They were provided
better institutions:
Brought into administrations:
Made orators:
Made into positive figures by the media:
So yes, the Irish certainly got a hand from American society.
By this logic, African Americans have received exactly the same "help"
in spades. As a matter of fact, there is more money being spent to combat black poverty, and more black people in positions of power and influence, now than at any other point in our nation's history.
Why then, do they continue to founder?
When will you drop the excuses and simply face facts here?
