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Who do you blame for the problems of African Americans?? [W:98]

Who is MOST to blame for the problems of African Americans?

  • GOP

    Votes: 5 5.1%

  • Black Leadership

    Votes: 22 22.4%

  • Democrats

    Votes: 15 15.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 56 57.1%
  • Total voters
    98
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Cephus said:
I apply it to everyone. If we summarily executed absolutely everyone, rich or poor, black or white, young or old, who is convicted of dealing in any illicit substance, you'd stop the flow of drugs immediately. No exceptions, kill 'em all.
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Good god, why not legalize instead. Drug dealers DO NOT deserve the death penalty. Just like the drug war doesn't warrant the loss of our rights (gun, privacy, etc).
 
Cephus said:
Most of them don't vote, which certainly is a contributing factor. You can't elect the "right" people if you don't bother to try.
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Ah, I see. "They", meaning black people, keep electing the wrong people to DC by not voting.

Dayum, those black people sure are wily
 
tres borrachos said:
Alexander Hamilton was born out of wedlock in a time where being born out of wedlock was a sin for the mother, the baby, her family, and so on. Being born out of wedlock happens in all races. The question is, what percentage of blacks, whites, hispanics, Asians, etc. are born out of wedlock today, but even that is an artificial number. I have 2 friends who are both career women who didn't want to get married, but both wanted children, and each had one, technically out of wedlock. They were both in their mid-30s and cared for those children well. The being born without a father thing sometimes works.
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Might make good thread material there.
 
Just want to point out that being born to an unwed mother is not the same thing as not having a father.
 
Dezaad said:
Yes, actually, it does. I have witnessed it myself, as I grew up in a solid middle class family, but I hung around with the poor kids. It is one aspect of the cycle of poverty that I have pointed out to people over the years, in all communities. Poor people, in general, treat their own like they are getting too 'high brow' if they try to improve themselves. It is very discouraging for a teen to experience that sort of emotional beat down. I was lucky, and was surrounded by a different kind of family (though far from perfect, for sure). I appreciate that fact almost every day.
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You can find individuals who might, you cannot point to an entire culture that does except the ghetto black culture. They would do so much better if they'd just get rid of it entirely and adopt a culture that encourages self-responsibility and upward mobility.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Meaning that anyone in such depths of denial cannot be convinced.
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Then you should stop being in such denial. Blind faith is absurd. Put up or shut up.
 
Dezaad said:
Good god, why not legalize instead. Drug dealers DO NOT deserve the death penalty. Just like the drug war doesn't warrant the loss of our rights (gun, privacy, etc).
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Why? What positive comes from legalizing drugs? That's like saying why not legalize murder. Prove the net benefit.
 
sangha said:
Ah, I see. "They", meaning black people, keep electing the wrong people to DC by not voting.

Dayum, those black people sure are wily
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Someone is going to get elected. If you want someone to represent you and your interests, you have to vote for them. If you do not, then the people who go are not going to represent you. It's not that hard to understand.
 
Cardinal said:
That is a highly simplified analysis. You have to consider the migration of black people from agriculture to the city for factory jobs, the growing disparity of salaries due to favoring those with college educations, and the final hammer falling with the abandonment of the cities by those factories. There are a lot more factors going on than "Black people just suckz lol!"
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All American ethnic groups have had to deal with those changes, racism or no. Pretty much all of them have done so more successfully than African Americans since the 1970s.

I'm not saying that this is the case because African Americans are in any sense "inferior." However, they would certainly appear to widely embrace some cultural practices and beliefs which are counter-productive to the goal of moving the African American community forward on an economic and social basis.

sangha said:
Am I reading you wrong or did you just say that black people were doing fine before 1950?
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They were making gains at a far greater rate than they are today.

Those gains have largely stalled now, and have been stalled for some time. Given the fact that basically everything else is better for African Americans than it was in the past, something else must be at play.
 
AJiveMan said:
Might make good thread material there.
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I'll tell you what, my 2 girlfriends who had babies intentionally without being married, are both better mothers than some of my friends who have husbands. And their kids? Great young people.

Not having a father in your life doesn't mean you're doomed.
 
sangha said:
It's the same type of agreement I give the people who rant on street corners about how Jesus is coming soon.
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Glad to see you've found a meaningful way to spend your days - I'm sure those who rant on street corners would appreciate your special brand of engagement - good luck with that.
 
Cephus said:
Someone is going to get elected. If you want someone to represent you and your interests, you have to vote for them. If you do not, then the people who go are not going to represent you. It's not that hard to understand.
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Then explain how that relates to CJ's claim that black people are electing the wrong people to send to DC?

Or did you just jump into the middle of something without realizing the context which would have clued you in to the facetiousness of what was said?
 
Cephus said:
Then you should stop being in such denial. Blind faith is absurd. Put up or shut up.
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Lets set the ground rules, you are arguing that racism ABSOLUTELY does not exist in the US.

You tell what is your definition of racism.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Glad to see you've found a meaningful way to spend your days - I'm sure those who rant on street corners would appreciate your special brand of engagement - good luck with that.
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Well since it appears that you appreciate it just as much as they do, maybe someday I can arrange a meetup for you
 
sangha said:
Just want to point out that being born to an unwed mother is not the same thing as not having a father.
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In most cases, it is. If 50% of married couples can't even stay together these days, the odds of some "live in" boyfriend sticking around for the longhaul are basically nil.
 
Gathomas88 said:
In most cases, it is. If 50% of married couples can't even stay together these days, the odds of some "live in" boyfriend sticking around for the longhaul are basically nil.
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All I see you saying is that "it must be true"

But, in case you didn't notice, you just pointed out that the converse of what I said is also true (ie "being born to a wed mother does not mean the child has a father in their life") The fact that the father was wed to mother at the time the child was born says nothing about whether or not the father is involved in the child's life.
 
sangha said:
Well since it appears that you appreciate it just as much as they do, maybe someday I can arrange a meetup for you
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Perhaps spending time with ranting street people has caused their delusion to rub off on you. There's absolutely nothing in my comments here or anywhere else that would indicate I appreciate anything you post.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Perhaps spending time with ranting street people has caused their delusion to rub off on you. There's absolutely nothing in my comments here or anywhere else that would indicate I appreciate anything you post.
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Since you're the one who claimed that it's black people who keep sending the wrong people to DC, I suspect I'm not the one with a delusion.
 
sangha said:
Then explain how that relates to CJ's claim that black people are electing the wrong people to send to DC?

Or did you just jump into the middle of something without realizing the context which would have clued you in to the facetiousness of what was said?
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If they're not electing the right people, they can't complain when the wrong people end up in power. Or didn't that occur to you?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Lets set the ground rules, you are arguing that racism ABSOLUTELY does not exist in the US.

You tell what is your definition of racism.
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Please quote where I said that because I said no such thing.

You liberals are incredibly dishonest, aren't you?
 
Cephus said:
Please quote where I said that because I said no such thing.

You liberals are incredibly dishonest, aren't you?
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Right here:
Cephus said:
You are insisting that racism exists, prove it.
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A denial.

Again, if I am to prove that racism exists in the US, define racism.
 
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